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[raju1982]

Cabinet Committee on Security gives go-ahead to indigenous 5th-generation stealth fighter project - Times of India

India will develop its own fifth-generation stealth fighter, the AMCA, capable of achieving supersonic cruise speeds. The CCS approved the development of five AMCA prototypes and the procurement of 34 Dhruv helicopters. The first prototype will roll out in 4 years.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Official induction estimate for AMCA is around 2035, so my guess is around 2045.

 

[jai jaganath]

Cabinet Committee on Security gives go-ahead to indigenous 5th-generation stealth fighter project - Times of India

India will develop its own fifth-generation stealth fighter, the AMCA, capable of achieving supersonic cruise speeds. The CCS approved the development of five AMCA prototypes and the procurement of 34 Dhruv helicopters. The first prototype will roll out in 4 years.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Official induction estimate for AMCA is around 2035, so my guess is around 2045.

How come roll out in next 4 years
It's generally 3 years

 

[raju1982]

How come roll out in next 4 years
It's generally 3 years

If we take Mk1, Mk2, ALH,, LCH as examples, roll out should take around 4 years and first flight in next 2 years. All 5 PVs will take another 8 years of testing as there any many things new in AMCA twin engine aerodynamics. Then CCS clearance for IOC 20 odds mk1 for IAF. Another 5 years for first aircraft in IAF service. another 2 years for 1st sqn.

So 4+2+8+5+2 = 21 years for first sqd in IAF service. Optimistically by the year ~2045 we should see first sqn.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Let's go boys

 

[jai jaganath]

If we take Mk1, Mk2, ALH,, LCH as examples, roll out should take around 4 years and first flight in next 2 years. All 5 PVs will take another 8 years of testing as there any many things new in AMCA twin engine aerodynamics. Then CCS clearance for IOC 20 odds mk1 for IAF. Another 5 years for first aircraft in IAF service. another 2 years for 1st sqn.

So 4+2+8+5+2 = 21 years for first sqd in IAF service. Optimistically by the year ~2045 we should see first sqn.

Things were different during mk1
We had no existing industry and a lot of mess were created sanctions engine delays improper planning import lobby trying to destroy the project small orders
Now things are streamlined and way much different
T+3 is standard no matter what
Yeah testing might take more than expected timeline and cause but roll out will happen after 3 years if funds are released this year

 

[vampyrbladez]

How come roll out in next 4 years
It's generally 3 years

Per ACM R K S Bhadauria, timeline to first flight was 4.5 years with 6 months for approval + 3 years for rollout (taxi trials) + 1 year for first flight in December 2023.

Thus new timeline should be 2.5-3.5 years for first flight assuming LRUs and jig fixtures were being made/prepared using other funds.

 

[Shuturmurg]

Let's go boys

kya nautanki hai

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

kya nautanki hai

Trying to revive tapas I think

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Big Bang Boom grab orders for anti drone tech

 

[raju1982]

Things were different during mk1
We had no existing industry and a lot of mess were created sanctions engine delays improper planning import lobby trying to destroy the project small orders
Now things are streamlined and way much different
T+3 is standard no matter what
Yeah testing might take more than expected timeline and cause but roll out will happen after 3 years if funds are released this year

Now things are better streamlined but now local manufacturing clause for engine is causing delays. Production of AMCA is totally different level than Tejas mk1 or mk2. It needs precision tools to retain stealth. Also I am expecting IAF to change requirements every 5 years

I think roll out will take 5 years minimum if they are saying 4 years. Remember? mk2 was supposed to roll out in August 2022? Its already 2024 March.

If we think from exp plus practically, 1st AMCA sqn not before 2045.

 

[jai jaganath]

Now things are better streamlined but now local manufacturing clause for engine is causing delays. Production of AMCA is totally different level than Tejas mk1 or mk2. It needs precision tools to retain stealth. Also I am expecting IAF to change requirements every 5 years

I think roll out will take 5 years minimum if they are saying 4 years. Remember? mk2 was supposed to roll out in August 2022? Its already 2024 March.

If we think from exp plus practically, 1st AMCA sqn not before 2045.

That's why I said if we release funds this year then 3 years is possible but again like incase of mk2 funds being delayed after clearance then same problem
But I am sure testing will take more than 5 years

 

[raju1982]

India likely to test-fire 2 nuclear-capable ballistic missiles next week

The two missiles that may be tested are the K4 submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) and the land-based Agni-5 long-range, surface-to-surface ballistic, nuclear-capable missile. Both have undergone initial tests.

theprint.in

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

From by end year 2023 first flight to 2024 Q1 to 2024 Q2 what's next?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[ezsasa]

while post facto nit picking goes on, will have to check how many CCS approvals/contracts signed by incumbent govt in last quarter or two before national elections. i suspect there wouldn't be many.

 

[thebakofbakchod]

From by end year 2023 first flight to 2024 Q1 to 2024 Q2 what's next?

But AMCA will roll out in 3 years vroooo

 

[Azaad]

But AMCA will roll out in 3 years vroooo

It should roll out in 3 yrs post release of funds for as far as the first prototype goes apart from IWB & IRST there's nothing much on it by way of avionics like EODAS or sensor fusion or any other distinguishing feature from say the F-35 to make it a complicated piece of work . It'd be more of a TD or proof of concept.

 

[raju1982]

But AMCA will roll out in 3 years vroooo

Not going to happen for sure. If we believe this we will get hurt at the end!

From the day funds are relased it will take 4/5 years for roll out. Pls note India did not made any F solah like Jurkey/Tapan. Nor do we fav buddy of uncle sam like SKorea or Israel. Nor our industry supply cbain is as mature as them or China.

So it will take time.

 

[TopWatcher]

Not going to happen for sure. If we believe this we will get hurt at the end!

From the day funds are relased it will take 4/5 years for roll out. Pls note India did not made any F solah like Jurkey/Tapan. Nor do we fav buddy of uncle sam like SKorea or Israel. Nor our industry supply cbain is as mature as them or China.

So it will take time.

Agar kuch bhi nhi hai, too kya maaze ke liye approve kiya hai

 

[raju1982]

Agar kuch bhi nhi hai, too kya maaze ke liye approve kiya hai

We are talking abiut timelines for various dev steps. Roll out, FF, PVs, IOC, mk1 induction, 1st sqn raising etc.