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[Aniruddha Mulay]

lol Nishant was forced upon the Forces and all of them crashed. Tapas is going same way. India cannot face the Drone Superpower with such things. Hermes 900 is not excellent product, but we need something on the border. Thats why i asked do we bave better choice? If we have GoI must consider that.

How many Nishant UAV did the Armed forces procure?
A grand total of 12, out of which about 4 crashed.

The SQR mandated the Nishant to be moving alongside IA armoured formations, meaning it had to be launched off of a catapult and once its job is done, it would basically crash land to the ground, with the only saving grace being a parachute making the impact softer. After that, rinse and repeat. This takes a toll on the airframe structure and also on the sensors mounted on the UAV.
This approach has not been successful anywhere in the world.
The British Army had inducted a similar platform called the "Phoenix" back in 1999 and saw action during the Iraq War.
It lost 70 Phoenix drones in a period of 2003 to 2006 during the Iraq war.

Army says farewell to UK's 'bugger-off' airbag drone

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Coming to the Hermes 900, there are literally no articles on whether the platform has actually achieved it's on-paper flight altitude and endurance figures.
Unlike the Hermes 900, the Tapas Bh-201 has actually demonstrated that it can operate at 28,000ft for 18 hours.

 

[ezsasa]

Coming to the Hermes 900, there are literally no articles on whether the platform has actually achieved it's on-paper flight altitude and endurance figures.
Unlike the Hermes 900, the Tapas Bh-201 has actually demonstrated that it can operate at 28,000ft for 18 hours.

Phillipines are using Hermes 900 for some years, have had one crash and yet they are buying more.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...uy-israeli-made-hermes-900-drones-2022-09-21/

may be there would be some info in their defence forums.

on the bit about forces preferring hermes 900 over tapas, all the usual tropes from corrupt jernails, office politics to commie trope "it's all gormint's fault" has been discussed. conversation should move forward.

perhaps some time should be spent on figuring out the value proposition from a user (forces) perspective. one reason could be, they don't have to develop tactics and SOP's from scratch for equipment which is already in use in other forces around the world.

 

[jai jaganath]

Dude, no one could ever notice that it's Tapas in your circular DP .

Kya kare
Jisko dikha toh acha nahi toh kuch kar nahi sakta
My worse editing skills and I don't want to invest more on it

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Drdo went for such design due to the requirement of armed forces
Why wouldn't they had gone to already proven design
Why such new concept
They don't have any "shauk" to do so
It's obvious that design is based on requirements stated by aed forces
I have already agreed drdo has done blunders wrt platform due to many reasons but my one question has Hermes 900 showed the required capabilities in Indian conditions if yes why haven't they released the data atleast approx like in case of tapas

Drishti 10 Starliner from ADAS is certified under the stringent STANAG 4671 standards. So, the advertised specs are accurate. Plus Indian Navy does a great job of introducing platforms correctly. They do things much better than the Army and the Airforce. There were also IN, ELBIT and DRDO staff in attendance during the starliner’s unveiling. No way that would have happened if the platform is unproven.
https://idrw.org/navy-unveils-indigenous-drishti-10-starliner-uav/

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

How many Nishant UAV did the Armed forces procure?
A grand total of 12, out of which about 4 crashed.

The SQR mandated the Nishant to be moving alongside IA armoured formations, meaning it had to be launched off of a catapult and once its job is done, it would basically crash land to the ground, with the only saving grace being a parachute making the impact softer. After that, rinse and repeat. This takes a toll on the airframe structure and also on the sensors mounted on the UAV.
This approach has not been successful anywhere in the world.
The British Army had inducted a similar platform called the "Phoenix" back in 1999 and saw action during the Iraq War.
It lost 70 Phoenix drones in a period of 2003 to 2006 during the Iraq war.

Army says farewell to UK's 'bugger-off' airbag drone

Droid suicide flotilla wiped itself out in 7 years

www.theregister.com

.


Coming to the Hermes 900, there are literally no articles on whether the platform has actually achieved it's on-paper flight altitude and endurance figures.
Unlike the Hermes 900, the Tapas Bh-201 has actually demonstrated that it can operate at 28,000ft for 18 hours.

What?? The Drishti10 starliner is STANAG certified. That means it is built to NATO standards. Here read for yourself.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_69269.htm

https://standards.globalspec.com/std/13430067/STANAG%204671

We have to accept that DRDO has failed and India’s private sector has pulled off yet another success in defense equipment production. DRDO will be restructured soon - maybe by end of this year to focus only on research. Prototyping and POC, LSP will all be handled by public-private JVs. DRDO’s 40 labs are being consolidated down to 10 labs. Thee are no supporters for DRDO anymore as a reliable agency for advanced weapons. It is simple DRDO simply cannot compete with private sector the way it is structured.
DRDO is being made into a DARPA like agency with responsibilities for dishing out money for research projects to government labs, private industry, academic institutions etc.
These recommendations are from a committee setup by GoI and the report is with DRDO for a 30-day feedback time. After that time, the restructuring will be done in phases. The PMO is driving the change, which means DRDO cannot say no to the changes anymore, like they did during the UPA fools’ regimes.

 

[jai jaganath]

Drishti 10 Starliner from ADAS is certified under the stringent STANAG 4671 standards. So, the advertised specs are accurate. Plus Indian Navy does a great job of introducing platforms correctly. They do things much better than the Army and the Airforce. There were also IN, ELBIT and DRDO staff in attendance during the starliner’s unveiling. No way that would have happened if the platform is unproven.
https://idrw.org/navy-unveils-indigenous-drishti-10-starliner-uav/

Mate afaik stanag 4671 is a certification required for an UAV to operate NATO airspace
And it's the only platform having such certification so it's not that compulsory
Moreover it involves communication links and command and control data
Maybe it might take altitude and endurance into consideration but I haven't read somewhere
But in Indian condition the things will change and afaik it has flied in India but the exact data isn't out and moreover is the altitude maintained consistently for 36 hrs or just for few minutes or hours

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Mate afaik stanag 4671 is a certification required for an UAV to operate NATO airspace
And it's the only platform having such certification so it's not that compulsory
Moreover it involves communication links and command and control data
Maybe it might take altitude and endurance into consideration but I haven't read somewhere
But in Indian condition the things will change and afaik it has flied in India but the exact data isn't out and moreover is the altitude maintained consistently for 36 hrs or just for few minutes or hours

Read the standard. How long the altitude has to be maintained are all there. There are other requirements too.
Most likely, Indian Navy will operate these starliners from INS bases on the same pattern as the predator.
DRDO has to now focus on delivering the Ghatak stealth drone technologies. Private sector will build the prototypes and bring other efficiencies into the project.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

DRDO restructuring :

Top panel recommends shake-up in DRDO, bigger role for private players in defence research

The K. VijayRaghavan committee, set up for revamp of the DRDO, has submitted its report. An exclusive peek into its broad recommendations

www.indiatoday.in

A better readout of the restructuring here. I expect the babus and PSU unions to object but looks like the PMO has decided to do it anyways.

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[Aniruddha Mulay]

What?? The Drishti10 starliner is STANAG certified. That means it is built to NATO standards. Here read for yourself.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_69269.htm

https://standards.globalspec.com/std/13430067/STANAG%204671

We have to accept that DRDO has failed and India’s private sector has pulled off yet another success in defense equipment production. DRDO will be restructured soon - maybe by end of this year to focus only on research. Prototyping and POC, LSP will all be handled by public-private JVs. DRDO’s 40 labs are being consolidated down to 10 labs. Thee are no supporters for DRDO anymore as a reliable agency for advanced weapons. It is simple DRDO simply cannot compete with private sector the way it is structured.
DRDO is being made into a DARPA like agency with responsibilities for dishing out money for research projects to government labs, private industry, academic institutions etc.
These recommendations are from a committee setup by GoI and the report is with DRDO for a 30-day feedback time. After that time, the restructuring will be done in phases. The PMO is driving the change, which means DRDO cannot say no to the changes anymore, like they did during the UPA fools’ regimes.

LoL , I guess I set my expectations way too high for a counter-response.

Dude STANAG 4671 is required so that the said UAV can operate in NATO airspace.
The scope of this certification covers communication links, ground handling characteristics, data links, recovery strategy, landing gear, operation lights.

Nowhere does it mention that the UAV needs to meet the flight altitude and endurance parameters specified in its brochure.

The only win that the private sector pulled off is in convincing general populace that they somehow managed to achieve 70% indigenization in a matter of 12 months for an order size of 4 UAV.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

LoL , I guess I set my expectations way too high for a counter-response.

Dude STANAG 4671 is required so that the said UAV can operate in NATO airspace.
The scope of this certification covers communication links, ground handling characteristics, data links, recovery strategy, landing gear, operation lights.

Nowhere does it mention that the UAV needs to meet the flight altitude and endurance parameters specified in its brochure.

The only win that the private sector pulled off is in convincing general populace that they somehow managed to achieve 70% indigenization in a matter of 12 months for an order size of 4 UAV.

lol…have you read the standards? Effective Maximum Range , Electromagnetic inference ceilings, Flight Load Factor, certain Flight Control Systems parameters must be declared. All these require maximum operating ceilings, endurance, flight control parameters, etc. Do you think Hermes will be declared as a system with some inferior parameters from what is advertised? That would be funny as that will violate STANAG data.
Basically STANAg is an airworthiness certificate. Just like CEMILAC issues]d for Tejas. Try issuing different specifications from the one advertised and see what happens. lol.

 

[jai jaganath]

Read the standard. How long the altitude has to be maintained are all there. There are other requirements too.
Most likely, Indian Navy will operate these starliners from INS bases on the same pattern as the predator.
DRDO has to now focus on delivering the Ghatak stealth drone technologies. Private sector will build the prototypes and bring other efficiencies into the project.

Can u share
Coz I got some french maal and translating it
And I didn't get anything like that
Every service will get 2 ig
And obviously IN will operate from based and tapas can definitely not fit their requirement for long range patrolling like mq-9 neither it's made for it infact mq-9 acquisition is only about long range patrolling but below that there is a segment which can be satisfied by tapas and that's definitely in 2 digit I don't remember the exact number which was posted in some article and even if they feel shortage they can acquire more as it's domestic platform and beneficial for both services and industry

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

lol…have you read the standards? Effective Maximum Range , Electromagnetic inference ceilings, Flight Load Factor, certain Flight Control Systems parameters must be declared. All these require maximum operating ceilings, endurance, flight control parameters, etc. Do you think Hermes will be declared as a system with some inferior parameters from what is advertised? That would be funny as that will violate STANAG data.
Basically STANAg is an airworthiness certificate. Just like CEMILAC issues]d for Tejas. Try issuing different specifications from the one advertised and see what happens. lol.

There is zero evidence to prove that Hermes 900 has achieved the stated flight altitude and endurance mentioned in it's brochure.
Otherwise Elbit would have marketed it like anything to get more orders.

These assumptions that you have made hold no water.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

There is zero evidence to prove that Hermes 900 has achieved the stated flight altitude and endurance mentioned in it's brochure.
Otherwise Elbit would have marketed it like anything to get more orders.

These assumptions that you have made hold no water.

You do realize that endurance is a function of the payload? More the payload, less the endurance. This is the data in US military’s database. Max alt = 30000 ft, endurance = 30 hours for the attack version (higher payload). Adani’s version is ISR - lower payload. So we can expect higher endurance and service ceilings and that is what they have advertised. Now don’t tell me that ELBIT has fooled the US military as well.

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[NoobWannaLearn]

According to hellfire bhaiya RUAV project is dead so I am fucking glad navy went ahead with skelder or they would have nothing absolutely nothing.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

What is it?

 

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[SKC]

It would be nice to see reviews of the Pravaig, it is encouraging that it has left the showroom, and is seen on Indian roads. For a while, there were doubts, and accusations of a scam.

Dusted now!
With the recent accident which ended up killing 4, no more chance it is getting any order now.

 

[Chinmoy]

Payload capacity - 450 kgs

Isse aacha Tapas hi khareed lete

Flight Altitude- 30,000 feet
Flight endurance- 36 hours

Iske baare me bhi kuch keh dete.

 

[Chinmoy]

Do they have allergy with armed drone?
Why are they purchasing another unarmed drone when heron tp is already there?

Unlike Heron, Hermes 900 starliner is the capable of flight in unsegregated airspace.