DRDO, PSU and Private Defence Sector News

[mamamia12]

Everyone.. Need your line of thought here..
With the advent of WW1, WW2 style industrial warfare, and the WEST coming up short w.r.t mass production at affordable costs.. and with drained western arms reserves, Modi government has decided to develop Indian defense Industry to cater to NATO standard equipment, thereby opening up a huge market that Indian private and Government entities may access, to become true defense behemoths..

You not only need to know about just opening factories and employing those all the time which leads to wastage of funds. You need three teams : Team-A will develop the product while Team-B whose role is researching to optimizing manufacturing processes to factory&inventory management so that when d-day comes they can scale up factories quick enough without faltering while Team-C is the only actually manufactures the things. But here is the tricky part, if you are smart enough like the Chaebols, one can repurpose some vehicle assembly plants to manufacture whatever you want like APC,IFVs in case of a need without needing for extra assembly lines. Also no one becomes true defense behemoths with imported parts, eg: Lancet drone full of American Hardware. We need to manufacture electronics.

 

[mamamia12]

Big Private companies making a fool of the system as of now. Sab ko ToT chahiye but R&D aur manufacturing m invest kisi ko nhi krna.

One would expect whatnot variants and improvements of Whap and its design after its tech was given to Tata and Mahindra but we see the product finish of some local workshop on them.
See the difference between Whap and other wheeled apcs around the world like patria, Eitan, boxer etc's build quality.

If you need more proof, compare Mahindra UAE side firm designed ARMADO and other Indian companies designed armoured cars, most look like stupid boxes without any chance of getting exported.

What is this stupid KG-level drawn car sh*t from Kalyani and on the other hand they are screwdrivergiring the Mmobe M4.
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While DRDO VRDE+BEML designing new cabins for tatra trucks worthy of being called an advancement there but still getting spit on.

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Well then again Indian mindset is a special one, when the ATAGS and MGS be finally getting inducted in large numbers, all will be praising private sector as they did the R&D while like DRDO ARDE had no hand in it.

I for all intent and purposes find the Private cos in case of Whap absolutely DogSh*t and only God knows why it's not getting any orders at all aside from few token purchases.
Aukaat nhi h inki kuch improvement karne ki, let's forget about designing and manufacturing.

Small firms which are have been with drdo from a long time and new entrants as well who are painstakingly doing R&D when their only customer is spoiled for foreign goods forces especially army, are true Atmanirbhar cos. I salute them for standing straight in such an unsupportive environment. 🫡

Btw, why only our apc looks like crap
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patria apc
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Belarusian volat v2apc
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Chinese New 8*8 apc, pre-mass produced model
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Maybe matte finish over shiny one...since ours look somewhat cheap ass looking since its shiny paint also those headlight guard doesn't help making it look more cheaper looking

 

[Comett]

 

[Blademaster]

Flight Altitude- 30,000 feet
Flight endurance- 36 hours

Iske baare me bhi kuch keh dete.

for which platform did this achieve these specs?

 

[Chinmoy]

for which platform did this achieve these specs?

Hermes 900 Starliner.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Flight Altitude- 30,000 feet
Flight endurance- 36 hours

Iske baare me bhi kuch keh dete.

These are on-paper parameters, not proven.

 

[Chinmoy]

These are on-paper parameters, not proven.

You have all the right to say so. But I hope, countries which are ordering them since 2013 would beg to differ.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Badhai ho ig anything is better than the equipment bsf has literally the worst equipped forces we have.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Badhai ho ig anything is better than the equipment bsf has literally the worst equipped forces we have.

 

[pankaj nema]

 

[Anupu]

These are on-paper parameters, not proven.

Bhai please stop this beta offence stupidity. Indian army operates herons with 30000 ft flight altitude for a while now. I know that engine argument but I won’t be surprised if Tapas didn’t come close to its own “on paper” performance.

Tapas was a mission mode project something that ADE agreed was a low hanging fruit. Why did they agree to “impossible” requirements for a mission mode project ?

People here know about its design issues. Wait for Archer NG suddenly piston engine will be flying at 30000 ft then you will see.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Bhai please stop this beta offence stupidity. Indian army operates herons with 30000 ft flight altitude for a while now. I know that engine argument but I won’t be surprised if Tapas didn’t come close to its own “on paper” performance.

Tapas was a mission mode project something that ADE agreed was a low hanging fruit. Why did they agree to “impossible” requirements for a mission mode project ?

People here know about its design issues. Wait for Archer NG suddenly piston engine will be flying at 30000 ft then you will see.

LoL, if merely stating facts is being labelled as stupidity by members of the forum then so be it.
The IAI Heron has a service ceiling of 30,000ft, but that does not mean it will always be operating at that altitude.

Normally, the operating altitude is significantly lower, somewhere in the ballpark of 24,000ft - 25,000ft.

The Rotax 916 engine powering the Heron is rated for maximum operating altitude of 23,000ft, beyond which there would be a significant drop in performance of the drone which could very well hinder the UAV's operation

 

[karmaweapon]

LoL, if merely stating facts is being labelled as stupidity by members of the forum then so be it.
The IAI Heron has a service ceiling of 30,000ft, but that does not mean it will always be operating at that altitude.

Normally, the operating altitude is significantly lower, somewhere in the ballpark of 24,000ft - 25,000ft.

The Rotax 916 engine powering the Heron is rated for maximum operating altitude of 23,000ft, beyond which there would be a significant drop in performance of the drone which could very well hinder the UAV's operation

Funny thing is they crashed the drone for coverup

 

[Anupu]

LoL, if merely stating facts is being labelled as stupidity by members of the forum then so be it, couldn't care less.
The IAI Heron has a service ceiling of 30,000ft, but that does not mean it will always be operating at that altitude.
Normally, the operating altitude is significantly lower, somewhere in the ballpark of 24,000ft - 25,000ft.
The Rotax 916 engine powering the Heron is rated for maximum operating altitude of 23,000ft, beyond which there would be a significant drop in performance of the drone which could very well hinder the UAV's operation

The same is the case for Tapas. It wasn't asked to have an endurance of 24 hours at 30000ft either.

People conveniently forget that Tapas failed in the endurance department as well and don't argue that the brochure number for heron (45 hours) does not reflect its endurance in a real-world environment. IAF set the requirement as 24 hours for a reason which I think is probably close to heron's real-world endurance.

Tapas is a twin-engine drone with lesser endurance than a single-engine one. That means you need more Tapas sorties than Heron. Not to mention a twin-engine drone will have more upfront costs and more maintenance costs. Why should anyone buy this?

There were design flaws and they will be fixed with Archer NG which surprisingly is very close to Heron in its design and also uses only a single engine in a pusher configuration.

I am more worried about clownery going on in DRDO around GHATAK.

Ghatak UCAV's 1st Director Raises Concerns Over Program's Path - Livefist

By BIJU UTHUPFounding Project Director, GHATAK Building on the success of the LCA Tejas program, the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) embarked on a new frontier, setting its sights on the development of advanced variants and cutting-edge projects such as the 5th Generation Advanced Medium...

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[NoobWannaLearn]

50 but it's still something ig

 

[Azaad]

50 but it's still something ig

Not much into small arms but IIRC there was the JVPC CQB which was equipped with 5.56 x 30mm cartridge . Wonder why wasn't that selected.

 

[karn]

Not much into small arms but IIRC there was the JVPC CQB which was equipped with 5.56 x 30mm cartridge . Wonder why wasn't that selected.

That falls in submachine gun category.

 

[karn]

Bhratas , can someone point me to the NGD/ project 18 thread (if any).

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Not much into small arms but IIRC there was the JVPC CQB which was equipped with 5.56 x 30mm cartridge . Wonder why wasn't that selected.

That's minsas calliber not nato 5.56 and counts as SMG nowdays ig.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Congratulations to all bas aab muh dikhai ho jae.