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[binayak95]

Thanks a lot I'll go through it. Interesting.



I know for a fact that horse breeds have only gotten larger with time... in ancient days horses were too small to gallop with armoured riders, so chariots were popular.

Also all these breed bloodlines are staunchly kept pure. I doubt you have any good source to back that claim either. I don't think it's correct.

I meant it that way alone. That the horses have only grown bigger. Apologies for the confusion.

 

[Love Charger]

find a appropriate thread for me to move these posts.

It was my last post on horses sir , please don't delete those.

 

[Blackmamba]

Definitely.
We have degrees of invulnerability.

Best tank = Tanks with APS, ERA, Blowout panels
Better tank = Tanks with ERA, Blowout panels
Good tank = Tanks with Blowout panels
Sh*t tank = Every Russian tanks from T-64 onwards

I am no expert but this what I found in the net regarding the issue.

 

[Blackmamba]

Furthermore according to Nicholas Moran the most decisive factor in the war was if you had good thermal imagers in your tank or not.

 

[Lonewarrior]

I am no expert but this what I found in the net regarding the issue.
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I'm telling you a very secret mathematical equations, always try to use it on Russian defence equipment

E1 + x = E2
Where E1 is a baseline equipment, x are all the individual upgrades that Kremlin plans to add and E2 is the upgraded version

But ∆E = x + funds taken away by Oligarchs

So always take everything with a pinch of salt

 

[Blackmamba]

I'm telling you a very secret mathematical equations, always try to use it on Russian defence equipment

E1 + x = E2
Where E1 is a baseline equipment, x are all the individual upgrades that Kremlin plans to add and E2 is the upgraded version

But ∆E = x + funds taken away by Oligarchs

So always take everything with a pinch of salt

I respect your enthusiasm, but I find former armoured officer Lt Col Nicholas Theodore Moran word more trustworthy than a armchair general.

 

[ObiWanKenobi]

I respect your enthusiasm, but I find former armoured officer Lt Col Nicholas Theodore Moran word more trustworthy than a armchair general.

Lol, this officer could not have had a good time at school with a last name of "Moran' - I mean, that "a" isn't gonna save you from 10 year olds. Still not as bad as one of faculty members in my school - "Professor Badcock".

 

[Lonewarrior]

I respect your enthusiasm, but I find former armoured officer Lt Col Nicholas Theodore Moran word more trustworthy than a armchair general.

I was not in a mood to type long post listing all technicalities so thought of giving you the corruption scenario of Russia but that seemed enthusiasm to you

Chal koi na, let it be then

First thing first, get over this childish behaviour of an army guys knows more than a so called armchair general...measure people based on their knowledge, not designation.
Just open Indian defence Twitter and see how much sh*t some Indian army officers have in place of knowledge. And Ian McCollum knows firearms perhaps better than most of the people on Earth despite not serving a month in Army; so is he also an armchair general according to your definition!? If no, then shove that definition of yours.

Now coming to your specific point.
T-90M's separate loading of 10 rounds in bustle.

T-90M uses blowout panels only for the 10 separate ammo it carries in the bustle, not for the regular ammo. The regular ammo is still stored in traditional T-72 type autoloader. Those extra 10 rounds are emergency use ones. So whenever they'll find cover the gunner would climb out of the turret, open the bustle and reload the autoloader with those 10 rounds...one at a time

Technically it carries 10 rounds but practically it's nothing more than having a separate truck behind your T-90 carrying replenishment ammo.

Now coming to autoloader.
Russian doctrine of armoured warfare is to use as many tanks as possible with sole focus on speed. That's why you see things like autoloader and pathetic reverse gear. The only thing they designed for invulnerability was to make the silhouette as small as possible.

No matter how advanced autoloader you claim to make (T-14) it's never going to work quite well because of a design flaw; pressure relieve system passes right through the turret.
Ever wondered why no one else uses an autoloader which has crew over it!?
1. If autoloader fails then you can't manually load rounds.
2. If a single propellant gets ignited, even by an electrical spark the whole turret crew gets toasted.
3. There is virtually no way to add a pressure relieve system.
4. Let's assume you develop an armour to protect the ammo from top attacking Javelin in T-90. What about bottom? Bottoms of tanks are very thin compared to even tops. How are you going to protect the ammo from magnetic influence mines?

And ya mate, just like you find someone else more trustworthy than a armchair general...I find visually confirmed burning pics of T-90s more trustworthy than you.

 

[blackleaf]

There is nothing called invulnerable tank. Your wunderwaffen western tanks will not perform any better at the receiving end of a modern ATGM.

I would be worried about Russia's ability to supply any tank in the immediate future. They seem to be stretched to the limit with the war and their military industrial complex is struggling with sanctions.
Does anyone know what happened to the T-90 tanks we ordered in 2019?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

I am no expert but this what I found in the net regarding the issue.
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Like I said

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

I was not in a mood to type long post listing all technicalities so thought of giving you the corruption scenario of Russia but that seemed enthusiasm to you

Chal koi na, let it be then

First thing first, get over this childish behaviour of an army guys knows more than a so called armchair general...measure people based on their knowledge, not designation.
Just open Indian defence Twitter and see how much sh*t some Indian army officers have in place of knowledge. And Ian McCollum knows firearms perhaps better than most of the people on Earth despite not serving a month in Army; so is he also an armchair general according to your definition!? If no, then shove that definition of yours.

Now coming to your specific point.
T-90M's separate loading of 10 rounds in bustle.

Technically it carries 10 rounds but practically it's nothing more than having a separate truck behind your T-90 carrying replenishment ammo.

Now coming to autoloader.
Russian doctrine of armoured warfare is to use as many tanks as possible with sole focus on speed. That's why you see things like autoloader and pathetic reverse gear. The only thing they designed for invulnerability was to make the silhouette as small as possible.

No matter how advanced autoloader you claim to make (T-14) it's never going to work quite well because of a design flaw; pressure relieve system passes right through the turret.
Ever wondered why no one else uses an autoloader which has crew over it!?
1. If autoloader fails then you can't manually load rounds.
2. If a single propellant gets ignited, even by an electrical spark the whole turret crew gets toasted.
3. There is virtually no way to add a pressure relieve system.
4. Let's assume you develop an armour to protect the ammo from top attacking Javelin in T-90. What about bottom? Bottoms of tanks are very thin compared to even tops. How are you going to protect the ammo from magnetic influence mines?

And ya mate, just like you find someone else more trustworthy than a armchair general...I find visually confirmed burning pics of T-90s more trustworthy than you.
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"That army guy" is The Chieftain, specializes in armoured vehicle of all types, tanks in particular. Go through his vids.

As for your talk of vulnerability, only "invulnerable" tank to ammo explosion is the Abrams. Leopard, T-90, all have additional ammo in hull without blowout panel, and if those are hit, it doesnt matter if turret blows out or not, crew is just as cooked.

And most russian losses are indeed due to the storage of rounds in the crew compartment, where your remark about spalling and HEAT penetrators is true, propellant does explode. Though keep in mind, APFSDS also has propellant in the section with the projectile, so that burns too.

 

[WolfPack86]

OFB Chakra rath 6x6 wheeled bmp this vechile is cheap to procure for Jammu and Kashmir police and CRPF for anti terror operations in Jammu and Kashmir.

 

[Lonewarrior]

OFB Chakra rath 6x6 wheeled bmp this vechile is cheap to procure for Jammu and Kashmir police and CRPF for anti terror operations in Jammu and Kashmir.

OFB wheeled bmp 2 Chakra rath.

Nov 8, 2020 - May 10, 2023

Kaahe re babu Wolfpack!?
Image ka sequence tak exact same hai

 

[binayak95]

Lol, this officer could not have had a good time at school with a last name of "Moran' - I mean, that "a" isn't gonna save you from 10 year olds. Still not as bad as one of faculty members in my school - "Professor Badcock".

Thankfully his childhood and youth was in Ireland.

 

[binayak95]

I respect your enthusiasm, but I find former armoured officer Lt Col Nicholas Theodore Moran word more trustworthy than a armchair general.

Hes a full bird Colonel

 

[binayak95]

I was not in a mood to type long post listing all technicalities so thought of giving you the corruption scenario of Russia but that seemed enthusiasm to you

Chal koi na, let it be then

First thing first, get over this childish behaviour of an army guys knows more than a so called armchair general...measure people based on their knowledge, not designation.
Just open Indian defence Twitter and see how much sh*t some Indian army officers have in place of knowledge. And Ian McCollum knows firearms perhaps better than most of the people on Earth despite not serving a month in Army; so is he also an armchair general according to your definition!? If no, then shove that definition of yours.

Now coming to your specific point.
T-90M's separate loading of 10 rounds in bustle.

Technically it carries 10 rounds but practically it's nothing more than having a separate truck behind your T-90 carrying replenishment ammo.

Now coming to autoloader.
Russian doctrine of armoured warfare is to use as many tanks as possible with sole focus on speed. That's why you see things like autoloader and pathetic reverse gear. The only thing they designed for invulnerability was to make the silhouette as small as possible.

No matter how advanced autoloader you claim to make (T-14) it's never going to work quite well because of a design flaw; pressure relieve system passes right through the turret.
Ever wondered why no one else uses an autoloader which has crew over it!?
1. If autoloader fails then you can't manually load rounds.
2. If a single propellant gets ignited, even by an electrical spark the whole turret crew gets toasted.
3. There is virtually no way to add a pressure relieve system.
4. Let's assume you develop an armour to protect the ammo from top attacking Javelin in T-90. What about bottom? Bottoms of tanks are very thin compared to even tops. How are you going to protect the ammo from magnetic influence mines?

And ya mate, just like you find someone else more trustworthy than a armchair general...I find visually confirmed burning pics of T-90s more trustworthy than you.
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Arreh kaka no one is denying the stupid rates of losses of Russian AFVs. The singular point that Nick makes is that dont blame the autoloader for it. Blame lack of training, stupid doctrines, and irresponsible leadership.
The same tank in competent hands, in genuine combined arms brigades would have and should have cut a bloody swathe through the ukrainians.

 

[Blood+]

Still the crew stands a chance of surviving.
In the T-72 and T-90, the crew literally sits on top of the ammunition compartment.
Also, there is no CABIS in both the T series tanks.
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Are you sure about that??

Leopard 2 -

Result -

Merkava MkIV M -

K2 Black Panther/ Altay -

Leclerc -

Challenger 2 -

So, please do your due diligence before commenting.

 

[Blood+]

Like to defer here.
The autoloader is actually very easy to hit because in both T-72/90 and T-64/80 type autoloader the propellant charge sits way above the actual ammo. The real culprit behind cook-off in tanks is propellant, not ammo. And setting on a propellant is extremely easy coz they are designed to be as flammable as possible; unlike ammo which are designed to be as insensitive as possible.

Moreover as soon as a jet of shaped charge finally enters the inside of a tank it behave like a shotgun blast, going in every direction. No just that but when it hits a metal surface inside the tank it further ejects hot semi molten material.

We can, and not just can even people have already done that.
The Polish T-72-120 upgrade was to have a bustle mounted autoloader like those in Western tanks.

But sadly we still don't have the competence to complete redesign the turret of T-72/90.

T-90M uses blowout panels only for the 10 separate ammo it carries in the bustle, not for the regular ammo. The regular ammo is still stored in traditional T-72 type autoloader. Those extra 10 rounds are emergency use ones. So whenever they'll find cover the gunner would climb out of the turret, open the bustle and reload the autoloader with those 10 rounds...one at a time

Literally every tank expert says the complete opposite of all the bs you just sputtered out. So, just put a lid on it for now, will ya??

 

[Lonewarrior]

Arreh kaka no one is denying the stupid rates of losses of Russian AFVs. The singular point that Nick makes is that dont blame the autoloader for it. Blame lack of training, stupid doctrines, and irresponsible leadership.
The same tank in competent hands, in genuine combined arms brigades would have and should have cut a bloody swathe through the ukrainians.

Arre I know...it's just funny how people think they can reverse a design flaw with proper training.

The first time Murican F-4 Phantoms got into a combat they're not having any guns; it was a design flaw.
No matter how hard they trained their pilots or whatever improvisations they made this design flaw kept coming back to bite them time and time. Forcing them to add 20mm gun pods on the fighters and ultimately adding a ful fledged dogfight system.

In 2001 Chinis designed Type 99 MBT and continuing with the old Soviet legacy added a carousel type autoloader. But when in 2018 they designed Type 15 they went with Western bustle type autoloader.

 

[not so dravidian]

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