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[Chinmoy]

Dosent china have one hale with jet engine?

Yes. Even US has

What I meant is, it depends on how Kaveri performs at the specific altitude. What is the inflow mass. What is its burn rate. What is the amount of fuel it needs for specific thrust. These are few factors we have to check before integrating it on a HALE UAV.

 

[Lonewarrior]

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These are the whole components ordered when you listen to Brahmos order by service. Its not just the missile.

You buy a car or you buy transmission, engine, electronics, etc? Why the hell are you showing pics of internal components to justify the reason of price increase?

The price of P-800 is 1.5 million inclusive of all these sub-systems; no one's going to sell a missile with after market add-ons.

Moreover that pic include a pylon; Navy doesn't need that. It includes a launch canister; navy also doesn't use that.

 

[Chinmoy]

What's the source of so called 200 no of brahmos ?

ANI.

 

[Chinmoy]

You buy a car or you buy transmission, engine, electronics, etc? Why the hell are you showing pics of internal components to justify the reason of price increase?

The price of P-800 is 1.5 million inclusive of all these sub-systems; no one's going to sell a missile with after market add-ons.

Moreover that pic include a pylon; Navy doesn't need that. It includes a launch canister; navy also doesn't use that.

In the first picture, there is BRAHMOS fire control system.

In the second picture, Cable separation system, Obturator assembly, Shutter system, Thruster Rope and casing are part of external spares.

But why should you care?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

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These are the whole components ordered when you listen to Brahmos order by service. Its not just the missile.

Those are parts of the missile, not additional stuff.

Though IMO it doesnt cost that much, has been reported over and over to be around ~5 mill USD per missile. Maybe the Navy order is part of a bigger order with PSUs, of which bramhos is one partt and media misrepresented what they were told by their source. Would not be the first time it happened.

Just for representation-Phillipines order, that would include launchers, command centers, infra, training and so on, cost around 12 million dollars per missile (Assuming they bought 0 refills and only bought the missile that came with launcher). It seems ridiculous that they would charge more than that to our own military.

 

[porky_kicker]

ANI.

Personally I doubt the number
And IMO that amount will include not only the missiles whatever no they are but also the various support systems and the entire life cycle costs of the missiles and the associated systems.

Possibility also exists that part of the amount is for upgrading older brahmos and it's support system, no reason why they should not be upgraded to the latest standards for commonality and reduced cost of operation

Let's see

 

[Lonewarrior]

In the first picture, there is BRAHMOS fire control system.

In the second picture, Cable separation system, Obturator assembly, Shutter system, Thruster Rope and casing are part of external spares.

But why should you care?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

In the first picture, there is BRAHMOS fire control system.

In the second picture, Cable separation system, Obturator assembly, Shutter system, Thruster Rope and casing are part of external spares.

But why should you care?

These are all part and parcel of the missile, you cant sell missile without the components that it needs. Those will be included in the cost per missile.

But like I said, probably faulty news.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Yes. Even US has

What I meant is, it depends on how Kaveri performs at the specific altitude. What is the inflow mass. What is its burn rate. What is the amount of fuel it needs for specific thrust. These are few factors we have to check before integrating it on a HALE UAV.

Can you tell which us drone has a jet engine? I would like to see vids of the drone if available on yt seems interesting and is kaveri passing flying tests in russia a good sign for its future?

 

[NutCracker]

Can you tell which us drone has a jet engine? I would like to see vids of the drone if available on yt seems interesting and is kaveri passing flying tests in russia a good sign for its future?

RQ-4 Global hawk
MQ4 Triton.

Turbo fan engine. Just like Ghatak will have dry Kaveri. We dont know current state of Kaveri's weight . Nothing is being released since long time . If it's below 950kg for 50kN dry thrust we can believe that it will be an amazing add-on to our UAV division.

 

[Chinmoy]

Those are parts of the missile, not additional stuff.

Though IMO it doesnt cost that much, has been reported over and over to be around ~5 mill USD per missile. Maybe the Navy order is part of a bigger order with PSUs, of which bramhos is one partt and media misrepresented what they were told by their source. Would not be the first time it happened.

Just for representation-Phillipines order, that would include launchers, command centers, infra, training and so on, cost around 12 million dollars per missile (Assuming they bought 0 refills and only bought the missile that came with launcher). It seems ridiculous that they would charge more than that to our own military.

We are forgetting a vital aspect here. What Philippines ordered is ground based system. The spare consumption in that case is minimal as compared to a ship based system.

For example, the missile is kept hermetically sealed, but not the missile tube. So even if the missile is safe from salt sea air, not its tube. You need to replace the tube twice or thrice in its life time. Same goes to outer accessories like obturator. There are two different obturators used in Ship based system. One for the missile, other for the launch system. The launch system obturator has to undergo change for similar reason.

So a shore based system cost will always be less then a ship based system.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Can you tell which us drone has a jet engine? I would like to see vids of the drone if available on yt seems interesting and is kaveri passing flying tests in russia a good sign for its future?

RQ-4 Global hawk
MQ4 Triton.

Turbo fan engine. Just like Ghatak will have dry Kaveri. We dont know current state of Kaveri's weight . Nothing is being released since long time . If it's below 950kg for 50kN dry thrust we can believe that it will be an amazing add-on to our UAV division.

Theres a jet one too, I forget what the name was.

Edit: Its the Avenger, I did think it started with A but was remembering Archer instead.

 

[jai jaganath]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Theres a jet one too, I forget what the name was.

Edit: Its the Avenger, I did think it started with A but was remembering Archer instead.

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There was an Avenger like drone in posters of cats family lets see what happens will love to see it

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

You buy a car or you buy transmission, engine, electronics, etc? Why the hell are you showing pics of internal components to justify the reason of price increase?

The price of P-800 is 1.5 million inclusive of all these sub-systems; no one's going to sell a missile with after market add-ons.

Moreover that pic include a pylon; Navy doesn't need that. It includes a launch canister; navy also doesn't use that.

Source: Wikipedia

 

[NutCracker]

You buy a car or you buy transmission, engine, electronics, etc? Why the hell are you showing pics of internal components to justify the reason of price increase?

The price of P-800 is 1.5 million inclusive of all these sub-systems; no one's going to sell a missile with after market add-ons.

Moreover that pic include a pylon; Navy doesn't need that. It includes a launch canister; navy also doesn't use that.

Source: Wikipedia

And citation of that info in Wikipedia points towards an article which doesn't contain cost of p-800.

 

[NutCracker]

Theres a jet one too, I forget what the name was.

Edit: Its the Avenger, I did think it started with A but was remembering Archer instead.

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Even MQ20 has turbofan. It's just a type of jet engine.

 

[samsaptaka]

First of all, as a developer it is your scope of work to make the system as best as possible. I told this earlier too, indigenous can't be your USP.

Now in same weight category we are using Konkurs. But MPATGM beats it hands down in generation. On other hand Konkurs beat any other ATGM with its range and penetration power. So the intermediate solution is Spike. Spike here beats MPATGM in both range as well as weight.

Now coming to next part. Do you think user gets up one morning and decide to check the weight? These discussion keeps on happening in the course of development. The very point where developers are saying that 30% weight could be reduced indicates that even developers knew about it and working on it.

So don't even think that users don't interact with developers regarding issues from beginning. Its a continuous tug of war game. Developers just want to sell what they developed. No one likes the other person to point out flaws or ask for change in what he have developed. Its general human nature.

gThe crux of the matter is if it's a domestic product even though not perfect, compared to foreign solution, you MUST induct it. Because same imperfect product will save ur ass when white man stops export of all shiny maal to you during a war which we may have to fight in the future without backing of the West.This point is wholly lost on kickbacks driven import gernails and babuas

 

[johnj]

gThe crux of the matter is if it's a domestic product even though not perfect, compared to foreign solution, you MUST induct it. Because same imperfect product will save ur ass when white man stops export of all shiny maal to you during a war which we may have to fight in the future without backing of the West.This point is wholly lost on kickbacks driven import gernails and babuas

For that u need 100% desi one & how good is insas rifle ? now goi replacing it with ak203.
Even north korea need foreign support, & US also buys foreign[all countries buys foreign] but india can't ,
why ?
Majority of indian weapons were indigenous by value, build by indians & not like imported rafales.

 

[Chinmoy]

gThe crux of the matter is if it's a domestic product even though not perfect, compared to foreign solution, you MUST induct it. Because same imperfect product will save ur ass when white man stops export of all shiny maal to you during a war which we may have to fight in the future without backing of the West.This point is wholly lost on kickbacks driven import gernails and babuas

Lets say your Father or Mother is in serious health condition. Now you have a person in your relationship who is a pharmacist and gives good medicine for cold and fever. On other hand you have a specialist sitting at a hospital who has the reputation to cure morbid ailment. Whom would you prefer? The pharmacist in your relationship or the specialist?

You want the soldier in the battlefield to adopt a system just on the basis that its indigenous?