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[blackleaf]

IN is going to place orders for more than 200 Brahmos cruise missiles.



(Don't know why these media outlets always mention price in dollars when indigenous content in Brahmos as of now is 70%... they did the same with 307 ATAGS news where indigenous content is 95%... so major portion would be paid in INR)

2.5 Billion for 200 seems kind of expensive.

 

[Lonewarrior]

IN is going to place orders for more than 200 Brahmos cruise missiles.



(Don't know why these media outlets always mention price in dollars when indigenous content in Brahmos as of now is 70%... they did the same with 307 ATAGS news where indigenous content is 95%... so major portion would be paid in INR)

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[Lonewarrior]

2.5 Billion for 200 seems kind of expensive.

Not kind of, but bit too much.

Considering that BrahMos has been in production for quite a few years and the closest competitor to it; AGM-158C is just 3 million...it is expensive.

 

[rao.abhirav]

Now this question is very tricky to answer, coz you can have two conflicting opinions.

First, we'll almost always be a "defending force" and the most powerful weapon a defending force has is the strength ratio of 1:3. Moreover be it Nagorno Karabakh or Ukraine we have seen how tanks fair against asymmetric threats like drones and ATGMs. And to further complicate things out of some 5150 or so tanks we have, 5000 are susceptible to suffer catastrophic failure if they are engaged. So from this logic it's very futile being a defensive force to maintain a large tank fleet until and unless we have some very cutting edge survival solution.

Second, as of now we have no other platform except a tank that can be so mobile, work even after taking a serious beating, fire a large calibre gun with such an accuracy, defeat most of the current Active Protection Systems by using APFSDS, fire missiles like tank destroyers, act as a cover for dismounted infantry, can form a defence in captured territory......so what'll we do if there's no tank?

So I've given you both the argument, now you decide

I guess I will take a mixture of both, A elite armored compliment although less in numbers with sophisticated tanks like Leopards or M1 not them exactly but like them alotted to strike corps complimented by fleet of advanced IFVs and Personnel carriers which can form defense in captured territory and well symmetric development of AT weapons because tanks are no good if they breakdown when the enemy is firing at you as Heinz Guderian "I would rather have agility than thick skin"

 

[blackleaf]

Not kind of, but bit too much.

Considering that BrahMos has been in production for quite a few years and the closest competitor to it; AGM-158C is just 3 million...it is expensive.

I thought the price was 5 million a missile which would put the total for 200 at 1 billion. What are they paying the extra 1.5 billion fir?

 

[thebakofbakchod]

200 missiles for 2.5 billion is a pisstake. Why are the missile costs still so high after being in production for so long. Not sure how they are planning to sustain this in a full-fledged war

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Diamond aur Platinum daalke bana raha hai kya 200 missiles..

 

[Lonewarrior]

I thought the price was 5 million a missile which would put the total for 200 at 1 billion. What are they paying the extra 1.5 billion fir?

Let's assume it's 5 million and compare it with 3 million AGM-158C

The ramjet engine on BrahMos is always going to be cheaper than the turbojet on AGM-158C.
A single mode Active Radar radar seeker will be cheaper than a multi-mode Radar + IIR (AI algorithm) seeker.
A literal metal tube with a hole in it will always be cheaper than a missile with stealth fuselage made of composite.
BrahMos is in service for almost two decades and that for LRASM is 5 years!

So why the heck are the charging so much? One million dollar for each extra Mach!?

 

[Lonewolf]

Not kind of, but bit too much.

Considering that BrahMos has been in production for quite a few years and the closest competitor to it; AGM-158C is just 3 million...it is expensive.

Subsonic vs supersonic ,ramjet

 

[Lonewarrior]

Subsonic vs supersonic ,ramjet

Kuch second ki der kr di msg krne me
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[Lonewolf]

Let's assume it's 5 million and compare it with 3 million AGM-158C

The ramjet engine on BrahMos is always going to be cheaper than the turbojet on AGM-158C.
A single mode Active Radar radar seeker will be cheaper than a multi-mode Radar + IIR (AI algorithm) seeker.
A literal metal tube with a hole in it will always be cheaper than a missile with stealth fuselage made of composite.

So why the heck are the charging so much? One million dollar for each extra Mach!?

Dude for that supersonic flight you don't use normal metal, include the amount of fuel it carry , it's a 3 ton missile , plus the fuel is a bit more expensive too for ramjet , also it's fuel is corrosive, so the fuel tank gets more expensive

 

[Lonewarrior]

Dude for that supersonic flight you don't use normal metal

That abnormal metal is simply Titanium
The best grade of Titanium; Ti-6Al-4V retails for 1500-2000 rupees per kg.

plus the fuel is a bit more expensive too for ramjet , also it's fuel is corrosive, so the fuel tank gets more expensive

Nope; only mono-propellant liquid fuelled rockets use oxidizer (which causes it to become corrosive) in its fuel.
Ramjets use jet fuel, which is just a overhyped name for ghaslet.

Ab aage farmaayein Janaab

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

What's mav? Manned Aerial vehicle? Wouldn't that be just a plane?

 

[DumbPilot]

What's mav? Manned Aerial vehicle? Wouldn't that be just a plane?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280575013_A_Review_of_Flapping_Wing_MAV_Modelling

 

[flanker99]

What's mav? Manned Aerial vehicle? Wouldn't that be just a plane?

Could be maneuvering

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280575013_A_Review_of_Flapping_Wing_MAV_Modelling

Thank you

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

And what about Nishant experience?

Vo kho gaya drdo walo se on a serious note was Nishant able to carry eo payload?

 

[Lonewarrior]

Vo kho gaya drdo walo se

DRDO waalo ne itta zyada stealth bana diya ki ab unhi ko nai mil raha hai

on a serious note was Nishant able to carry eo payload?

Yup

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Vo kho gaya drdo walo se on a serious note was Nishant able to carry eo payload?

I think at max it can give artillery coordinates for striking. But at this rate TATA SED, L&T and other Private Drone guys have similar drones. Due to its extraordinary record Army not interested to touch it.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

DRDO waalo ne itta zyada stealth bana diya ki ab unhi ko nai mil raha hai

Yup
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Very sad to see this beautiful work get lost was there ever a reason given why it was shut down?