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[Jambudweepa]

Makes sense, any idea what radars are involved as part of this interceptor?

What i know , this radar is used in indian bmd program . Later modification might have been done .

Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar - Wikipedia

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[Fatalis]

Two updates/ rumours:

1. AD-1 will be having a naval version

2. A desi S-400 type system is under development (most probably ERADS).

 

[Arihant Roy]

For such long ranges, what radars are in scope, any details on that? If what you said is true, then AD systems should soon get on no import lists....I am not sure if we conducted enough tests, just look at how many tests Aegis and S-series undergo? Lot can be done with simulation though.....my guess is they are going at this from critical sub systems like navigation integration, seekers and so on.....we are likely away from any active deployment anytime soon....I will be glad to be wrong.

Well, you have asked an excellent question.

We already have radars with 400+ km ranges. The Arudhra radar from LRDE has a 400 km instrumented range with a 300 km detection range for a 2sqm target. Now do the maths.


But here's what interesting. The Americans ie the US Navy has a system of systems or rather an architecture which is known as NIFC-CA. National Integrated Fire control - counter air.

Here in any airborne sensor which is generally a E-2D Hawkeye or a F-35C picks up and tracks a hostile aircraft or a missile beyond the radar range and / or under the radar horizon of the SPY-1 radars of the Alreigh Burke destroyers or Ticonderoga class of cruisers which would then fire it's SM-6 missile in order to intercept the threat. This leverages the superior coverage of the E-2D along with the long range of the SM series of missiles. The E-2D uses the TTNT network and act as nodes while other acs like the F/A-18 E/F interacts with the E-2 through Link 16.

The IAF may use a similar system. I believe something like this is already in the works which will leverage the Netra and connect it with the IACCS.

Besides all our ground based radars and Sam systems be it E Shorads like Spyder SR or Akash mk1 to MRSAM and the long ranged S-400 are all plugged into the IACCS. So whatever one radar detects and tracks irrespective of the geographical area, the requisite feed is available to the rest of the shooters and sensors plugged into the network.

 

[Jambudweepa]

Well, you have asked an excellent question.

We already have radars with 400+ km ranges. The Arudhra radar from LRDE has a 400 km instrumented range with a 300 km detection range for a 2sqm target. Now do the maths.


But here's what interesting. The Americans ie the US Navy has a system of systems or rather an architecture which is known as NIFC-CA. National Integrated Fire control - counter air.


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Here in any airborne sensor which is generally a E-2D Hawkeye or a F-35C picks up and tracks a hostile aircraft or a missile beyond the radar range and / or under the radar horizon of the SPY-1 radars of the Alreigh Burke destroyers or Ticonderoga class of cruisers which would then fire it's SM-6 missile in order to intercept the threat. This leverages the superior coverage of the E-2D along with the long range of the SM series of missiles. The E-2D uses the TTNT network and act as nodes while other acs like the F/A-18 E/F interacts with the E-2 through Link 16.

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The IAF may use a similar system. I believe something like this is already in the works which will leverage the Netra and connect it with the IACCS.

Besides all our ground based radars and Sam systems be it E Shorads like Spyder SR or Akash mk1 to MRSAM and the long ranged S-400 are all plugged into the IACCS. So whatever one radar detects and tracks irrespective of the geographical area, the requisite feed is available to the rest of the shooters and sensors plugged into the network.

Is Arudhra part of bmd program ? Wiki says swordfish radar is used . A isreali radar derivative ( used in Arrow ) but many indian component and more powerful than base version of that . And DRDO has developed 1500 km version .

Capability section of wiki says -


Can Guide Exo-atmospheric interceptor missile PAD to hit its target in space at an altitude over 80 km from earth.


It can detect and track 200 targets simultaneously travelling at a speed of over Mach 12.

The Swordfish LRTR currently has a range of 600 km (370 mi)-800 km (500 mi) km range and can spot objects as small as a cricket ball (3-inches in diameter), which the DRDO is in the process of upgrading it to 1,500 km as of 2012.These may end up as entirely new designs as well.

 

[jai jaganath]

Two updates/ rumours:

1. AD-1 will be having a naval version

2. A desi S-400 type system is under development (most probably ERADS).

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Wait
1)ERADS is a part of XR-SAM right
2)u mean to say or assume ad-1 will will be erads

 

[Fatalis]

Wait
1)ERADS is a part of XR-SAM right
2)u mean to say or assume ad-1 will will be erads

Both points were separate. You mixed both the points.

1. ERADS will most probably be our desi S-400 which is rumored to be under development. As of now there is no direct link between AD-1 and ERADS.
2. A naval variant of AD-1 might be developed if we follow that image. Also, can someone clarify if naval version means for our capital warships or for INS Anvesh.

 

[Vamsi]

Two updates/ rumours:

1. AD-1 will be having a naval version

2. A desi S-400 type system is under development (most probably ERADS).

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Is PGAD a naval version of AD-1??

 

[Fatalis]

Is PGAD a naval version of AD-1??

According the document, PGAD also known as Programme LRSAM is for both: IAF and IN.

 

[Vamsi]

Wait
1)ERADS is a part of XR-SAM right
2)u mean to say or assume ad-1 will will be erads

ERADS system will have two different missiles, ERSAM & XRSAM

 

[Lonewolf]

According the document, PGAD also known as Programme LRSAM is for both: IAF and IN.

I think role of ad1 is much more than plain BMD if we follow the document and the earlier image of xrsam , could it be that what we saw is xrsam only ,and ad1 is a multipurpose missile ??

 

[Arihant Roy]

Is Arudhra part of bmd program ? Wiki says swordfish radar is used . A isreali radar derivative ( used in Arrow ) but many indian component and more powerful than base version of that . And DRDO has developed 1500 km version .

Capability section of wiki says -


Can Guide Exo-atmospheric interceptor missile PAD to hit its target in space at an altitude over 80 km from earth.


It can detect and track 200 targets simultaneously travelling at a speed of over Mach 12.

The Swordfish LRTR currently has a range of 600 km (370 mi)-800 km (500 mi) km range and can spot objects as small as a cricket ball (3-inches in diameter), which the DRDO is in the process of upgrading it to 1,500 km as of 2012.These may end up as entirely new designs as well.

Arudhra was just an example of a long range radar. It is not part of the BMD program. I quoted it in the context of providing targetting info of acs from a long range.

A radar scanning for ballistic missiles uses different scanning patterns , prf , pulse width, love size , etc compared to the time when it is scanning for acs.


I have written detailed posts here and on the BMD page about the radars used earlier. Kindly go through them.

But let me repeat.

1. There are two VL LRTR sites in India. Each has an aesa UHF band radar which is ultra long range and a long range aesa S band radar. The S Band radar uses GaN TRM . These are different from the Swordfish series of radars . They have ranges of 3000 + km.

2. The Swordfish radar which is based on the Green Pine radar has a 1500 km range for 0.1sqm target. It's an aesa L band radar.

3. An L band LRTR aka Swordfish is operationally deployed in Rajasthan for providing BMD cover to NCR.

4. There's a Green Pine/ Swordfish radar used as a testbed in Bangaluru. There's another such radar in Konark.

5. Besides the LRTR, there is the Thales MFCR which provides fire control and engagement info. With the newer S band radars , this MFCR can be done away with.


And any BMD site MCC will receive continuous radar tracks and targetting info from IACCS. Say, a BM picked up by the site in Konark launched from Bay of Bengal will be available to the MCC of the battery defending NCR.


Between, Porky Kicker has also made detailed infographics on the radars. Kindly see them.

 

[binayak95]

Live firing of Sudarshan CIWS incidentally posted by Indonesian company

Meanwhile IA and IAF : zzzzzz

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Meanwhile IA and IAF : zzzzzz

They won the iaf bid right?

 

[Kuldeepm952]

They won the iaf bid right?

Yup, lowest bidder. We should be seeing signing of the contract soon as indian products ordering are probably not met with hesitation.
But it is really interesting that other countries are buying products sooner than our forces, something to think about.

 

[pipebomb]

Aren't missiles just harder to hit planes ?

Different challenges

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Yup, lowest bidder. We should be seeing signing of the contract soon as indian products ordering are probably not met with hesitation.
But it is really interesting that other countries are buying products sooner than our forces, something to think about.

Well we all know the reasons curroption goes deep

 

[Chinmoy]

I was talking about AD1 specifically, the missile that was launched today. I know both BMDs have both endo-atmospheric and exo-atmospheric interceptors.

AD-2 of Phase-II is exo-atmospheric interceptor. AD-1 of Phase-II is endo to low exo-atmospheric interceptor.

 

[Chinmoy]

Anyone noticed any RCS/TVC on 2nd stage ?

Generally high altitude missiles dont rely solely on fins ( here upper end of endo & low end of exo) for maneuvering, generally some kind of RCS / TVC is used

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IMO

 

[ObiWanKenobi]

AD-2 of Phase-II is exo-atmospheric interceptor. AD-1 of Phase-II is endo to low exo-atmospheric interceptor.

And what did I say?

 

[Chinmoy]

And what did I say?

So this must be the endo-atmospheric piece, and AD2 is probably the exo-atmospheric one. Judging by the fins, might be wrong.