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[binayak95]

Thats what i have been asking , provide more information on those advantages .

At the end of the day this is for surveillance . So does these advantages count 3 billion dollars ?

Oh indeed, spell out in detail the SIGINT and ELINT capabilities, the SAR resolution, the EW suite on an OPEN internet platform. What are we? 9 years old?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Oh indeed, spell out in detail the SIGINT and ELINT capabilities, the SAR resolution, the EW suite on an OPEN internet platform. What are we? 9 years old?

Thats what i have been asking , provide more information on those advantages .

At the end of the day this is for surveillance . So does these advantages count 3 billion dollars ?

Refer my post for the advantage

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Can anyone put more light on this deal . Is 100 million dollars per one drone fair price ? F35 costs 80 million dollars . And how much Tapas and that elbit drone costs each ? That drone is supposed to replace / reduce use of Maritime patrol aircraft like p8i which these days costs about 400...

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[Dark Sorrow]

It is worth it. But the 100 million USD package includes weapons, PBL, training, infrastructure. So.

The one thing that makes Predators a class apart is the god damn endurance. 40+ hours of constant flying.

That combined with low flying cost, and excellent sensor package means that IN can cover all of IOR with 10 drones, and 4 P8is

With Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Triton we expect to monitor 1,00,000 sq. km. of IOR.
If true and if we purchased such system will be a huge asset to our Navy.

 

[gajapati.]

We are still very far away.

For MQ-9 Reaper, AN/APY-8 is the primary sensor. It generates photo-like radar images with a maximum resolution of around 10 cm in SAR spotlight mode and tracks moving ground targets in GMTI mode at a distance around 87 km.

For MQ-9 Sea Guardian also has Raytheon SeaVue Marine Search Radar and provides capabilites such as automatically detecting, tracking and sorting thousands of maritime targets simultaneously and correlating radar tracks with Automatic Identification System (AIS) contacts. The system also geographically registers radar detections to AIS data and digital nautical chart features, allowing for more precise target tracking, locating of threats and accurate cross-sensor cueing to the electro-optic system.

MQ-9 Sea Guardian also deploy sonobuoys and has autonomous submarine detection and hunting capabilities.

For MQ-9 also provides top-tier SIGINT and ELINT and capabilities second to none.

As of today we are decades away from having such operational capabilities in our indigenous platforms.

Has not similar Medium Range Electro Optic , Long Range Electro Optic , Synthetic Aperture Radar , Electronic Intelligence , Communication Intelligence and Situational Awareness Payloads etc are developed for tapas as well ? They cant just be making drones to fly .

Oh indeed, spell out in detail the SIGINT and ELINT capabilities, the SAR resolution, the EW suite on an OPEN internet platform. What are we? 9 years old?

Share only if its available in open . Like dark sorrow shared on predator .

 

[Dark Sorrow]

This is Dishani, an expendable air-deployed ASW sonobuoy system developed by BDL

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We are yet to integrate this with our drones. We are yet to operationalize them in our aircraft.
More importantly we are yet to develop autonomous submarine identification, hunting and tracking capabilities.
We we operationalize all the capabilities provide by MQ-9 or MQ-4C drones then we can also about need of MQ-9 or MQ-4C drones.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Has not similar Medium Range Electro Optic , Long Range Electro Optic , Synthetic Aperture Radar , Electronic Intelligence , Communication Intelligence and Situational Awareness Payloads etc are developed for tapas as well ? They cant just be making drones to fly .

Can't understand what you are trying to convey.

 

[gajapati.]

Can't understand what you are trying to convey.

I am saying have we developed these systems for tapas ? Cant find any open source information .

 

[Dark Sorrow]

I am saying have we developed these systems ?

No, we haven't developed these system yet.
Even the EO sensor on TAPAS is Israeli one and the engine is Russian.

 

[binayak95]

With Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Triton we expect to monitor 1,00,000 sq. km. of IOR.
If true and if we purchased such system will be a huge asset to our Navy.

The Tritons are just crazy expensive though. and with limited nos built so far, I dont know man

 

[binayak95]

I am saying have we developed these systems for tapas ? Cant find any open source information .

No we havent built any of these systems small enough for fitment onboard our drones.

 

[binayak95]

We are yet to integrate this with our drones. We are yet to operationalize them in our aircraft.
More importantly we are yet to develop autonomous submarine identification, hunting and tracking capabilities.
We we operationalize all the capabilities provide by MQ-9 or MQ-4C drones then we can also about need of MQ-9 or MQ-4C drones.

About the automated submarine and ship detection and tracking systems.


Just go through the IDEX challenges list n their website. Gives great insight on what navy wants indigenized.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

The Tritons are just crazy expensive though. and with limited nos built so far, I dont know man

True but its capabilities are astronomically good and will provide a good ROI.
It will also reduce the burden/stress on P8I.
Its is more economical to buy MQ-4C than brand new P8I.

 

[gajapati.]

This is what i found on TAPAS from the following article from 2018 -

TAPAS-BH-201 - Indias own Predator UAV

TAPAS-BH-201 is a long endurance Unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) which used to be previously referred as Rustom-II, being developed by India on the lines of the American Predator drones. ...

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" The indigenous development of payloads is in mature stage. The development of SAR payload is in advanced stage with one prototype undergoing flight trials and evaluation in Dornier manned aircraft. The development of ELINT is completed and is undergoing flight trials with aircraft EMBRAER. The COMINT payload is also in advanced stage. Instrument Research and Development Establishment (IRDE), Dehradun is entrusted with responsibility of development of EO payloads. The MREO development is in advanced stage with prototype fitted in Tapas (AF 5) and flight tested. Software upgradation is currently in progress. To meet the immediate requirement of programme, three sets of payloads have been imported. "

 

[Indx TechStyle]

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[ezsasa]

@DRDO_India & @indiannavy successfully flight-test vertical launch short-range Surface-to-Air missile off Odisha coast The VL-SRSAM system has been indigenously designed and developed by DRDO

 

[omaebakabaka]

You are not getting the point. They are not for shooting but for surveillance. And they ar cost effective at that.

We are not US to run the policing business, good amount of Sats should cover every sq km not limited to border lines......naval survey is fine. Its not like we do anything ground breaking even if we have the 25th century weapons with a well trained occupied mindset.

 

[mokoman]

We are not US to run the policing business, good amount of Sats should cover every sq km not limited to border lines......naval survey is fine. Its not like we do anything ground breaking even if we have the 25th century weapons with a well trained occupied mindset.

we dont have that kind of sat network . with QUAD we can . but even those have revisit delays. they will be overhead a particular area only once per day / week or month .

 

[omaebakabaka]

we dont have that kind of sat network . with QUAD we can . but even those have revisit delays. they will be overhead a particular area only once per day / week or month .

Atleast money will go to ISRO and a network of sats can be built. Sats are used predominantly vs drones and they are getting to a point where you can make out things that you would not with a naked eye. This is insane to go for this nonsense and still fight with sticks....ISRO budget is $2b something like that? They do so much with such small amount and here we just throw 3 b on this shit without even conscience while they penny pinch and expect a mountain of that $1b budget.....academic defence analysts are absent in our universities to present an objective analysis of strategy corresponding to our capabilities. None of us know whether this is objectively vetted by armed forces, blind trust is never good.

 

[omaebakabaka]

we dont have that kind of sat network . with QUAD we can . but even those have revisit delays. they will be overhead a particular area only once per day / week or month .

There are some good posters on few threads here that post technical progress on various systems, personally I will restrain myself from these purchase decisions beyond one or two follow ups but you are always recomending for lame western gangs that subjugated us and will do same again given a chance. We will be treated as 5th tier and 3rd class citizen in those gangs, will say again most populous country in world and cradle of original civilization does not need any gang to feel secure. This should be the line of GOI's thinking.

 

[Arihant Roy]

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