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[IndianHawk]

Can anyone put more light on this deal . Is 100 million dollars per one drone fair price ? F35 costs 80 million dollars . And how much Tapas and that elbit drone costs each ?

That drone is supposed to replace / reduce use of Maritime patrol aircraft like p8i which these days costs about 400 million with equipment. And they cost much much more to operate because of crew involved and because of crew they have to get back to base faster.

And those giant drones can keep on watching the oceans for 24 hours without interuption and don't need any flying crew.

So all in all they are much much cheaper to own and operate in the long run.

Anyway future of conflict is unmanned .

 

[IndianHawk]

Can be taken down by 1960s million dollar missile too easily....probably includes one of those bmw tech packages with satellite radio and gps and self driving software

Truly a predator!! of customers...

So can be all surveillance aircrafts. No body is going to put those drone against enemy Sam or fighter jets . They will be surveilling indian oceans mostly. On border they are peace time assets saving airframe life of combat jets while doing much more patrolling .

 

[gajapati.]

That drone is supposed to replace / reduce use of Maritime patrol aircraft like p8i which these days costs about 400 million with equipment. And they cost much much more to operate because of crew involved and because of crew they have to get back to base faster.

And those giant drones can keep on watching the oceans for 24 hours without interuption and don't need any flying crew.

So all in all they are much much cheaper to own and operate in the long run.

Anyway future of conflict is unmanned .

And how far are we from making predator standard drone for surveillance purpose ?

 

[omaebakabaka]

So can be all surveillance aircrafts. No body is going to put those drone against enemy Sam or fighter jets . They will be surveilling indian oceans mostly. On border they are peace time assets saving airframe life of combat jets while doing much more patrolling .

I am not debating the positive aspects of drones, importing a 100 million dollar drone is useless as it won't act without confirmation. India is not the one that shows any balls by shooting anything suspicious that too via drone....get real. We had much worse situations enemy created for us and we acted like limp lunds. Just too expensive, rather put that dough on fleet of sats and private companies that can build them, may be get iranian ones for cheap since we never deploy our shit other than in marketing materials .

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Can anyone put more light on this deal . Is 100 million dollars per one drone fair price ? F35 costs 80 million dollars . And how much Tapas and that elbit drone costs each ?

This is an apples to oranges comparison, you are comparing the price of MQ-9B with all weaponry, support equipment, sensors, maintenance packages, PBL, ground stations, spare parts, etc with the unit cost/barebones cost of an F-35.
With all the equipment and support, F-35 costs close to $200 million per aircraft.

 

[IndianHawk]

I am not debating the positive aspects of drones, importing a 100 million dollar drone is useless as it won't act without confirmation. India is not the one that shows any balls by shooting anything suspicious that too via drone....get real. We had much worse situations enemy created for us and we acted like limp lunds. Just too expensive, rather put that dough on fleet of sats and private companies that can build them, may be get iranian ones for cheap since we never deploy our shit other than in marketing materials .

You are not getting the point. They are not for shooting but for surveillance. And they ar cost effective at that.

 

[IndianHawk]

And how far are we from making predator standard drone for surveillance purpose ?

Tapas should get us decent endurance and range for basic surveillance but sea guardian ( for navy ) can also drop sonabouys . I guess we are a decade behind to attain what predator / sea guardian can truly deliver.

 

[gajapati.]

Tapas should get us decent endurance and range for basic surveillance but sea guardian ( for navy ) can also drop sonabouys . I guess we are a decade behind to attain what predator / sea guardian can truly deliver.

Can you explain how ability to drop sonabouys is decades ahead in future ? How much does a sonabouys weigh ? And the deal is not just for navy . Navy , army , airforce each ll get 10 .

This is an apples to oranges comparison, you are comparing the price of MQ-9B with all weaponry, support equipment, sensors, maintenance packages, PBL, ground stations, spare parts, etc with the unit cost/barebones cost of an F-35.
With all the equipment and support, F-35 costs close to $200 million per aircraft.

This is stealth drone of turkey . Pakistan ll be buying that with in a decade

While we are buying these drones of bygone era at 3 billion dollars with high maintenance cost . when our own drones have developed similar satcom capability and endurance .

 

[Marliii]

Can you explain how ability to drop sonabouys is decades ahead in future ? How much does a sonabouys weigh ? And the deal is not just for navy . Navy , army , airforce each ll get 10 .



This is stealth drone of turkey . Pakistan ll be buying that with in a decade

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While we are buying these drones of bygone era at 3 billion dollars with high maintenance cost . when our own drones have developed similar satcom capability and endurance .

When did our indigenous drones have the capablity of surviellance as that of Yanks ?and Turkish drones are overrated the only thing tb2 brought forward was that they bought drone capablity in a cheap price tag.all their new Gucci drones in the end will be at end the downfall for them

 

[gajapati.]

When did our indigenous drones have the capablity of surviellance as that of Yanks ?

Yeah thats what i want to know . We have developed tapas with satcom and long endurance that should be enough for surveillance . So what are we getting for our money . Then there is adani elbit drone which ll be made in hydrabad if ordered .

and Turkish drones are overrated the only thing tb2 brought forward was that they bought drone capablity in a cheap price tag.all their new Gucci drones in the end will be at end the downfall for them

Prejudiced statements . nothing to say .

 

[IndianHawk]

Can you explain how ability to drop sonabouys is decades ahead in future ? How much does a sonabouys weigh ? And the deal is not just for navy . Navy , army , airforce each ll get 10 .



This is stealth drone of turkey . Pakistan ll be buying that with in a decade

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While we are buying these drones of bygone era at 3 billion dollars with high maintenance cost . when our own drones have developed similar satcom capability and endurance .

Read this

Video: MQ-9B SeaGuardian Deploys ASW Sonobuoy for the First Time - Naval News

General Atomics released a video showing its MQ-9B SeaGuardian deploying a sonobuoy for the first time, marking a first for a fixed wing unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). The company said this will revolutionize anti-submarine warfare (ASW).

www.navalnews.com

This should help you understand.

Regarding IA and IAF drones will help them immensely in peace time by reducing fighter jet fatigue and operational expenses.

 

[binayak95]

Can anyone put more light on this deal . Is 100 million dollars per one drone fair price ? F35 costs 80 million dollars . And how much Tapas and that elbit drone costs each ?

It is worth it. But the 100 million USD package includes weapons, PBL, training, infrastructure. So.

The one thing that makes Predators a class apart is the god damn endurance. 40+ hours of constant flying.

That combined with low flying cost, and excellent sensor package means that IN can cover all of IOR with 10 drones, and 4 P8is

 

[gajapati.]

Read this

Video: MQ-9B SeaGuardian Deploys ASW Sonobuoy for the First Time - Naval News

General Atomics released a video showing its MQ-9B SeaGuardian deploying a sonobuoy for the first time, marking a first for a fixed wing unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). The company said this will revolutionize anti-submarine warfare (ASW).

www.navalnews.com

This should help you understand.

Regarding IA and IAF drones will help them immensely in peace time by reducing fighter jet fatigue and operational expenses.

This is Dishani, an expendable air-deployed ASW sonobuoy system developed by BDL

 

[binayak95]

Its admitted by army that in a war in our scenario where pakistan and china have proper air defence it is of no use . It is era of Swarm drone , stealth drone , Small munition carrying drones and kamikaze . And money needed for other projects like AMCA which is yet to be sanctioned by cabinet , MK2 , engine deal , 3rd air craft career navy chief was talking about few days back , And artilleries modernization .

3 billions for Navy's surveillance does not make sense . Can be done by local system in course of time . It is Not some futuristic tech .

If its not futuristic, show me one equivalent drone anywhere in India that is even on paper.
Its easy to scoff at the predator, but people forget just how evolved and useful it is. Barely 2 Sea Guardians on lease have fundamentally altered the way we conduct MR at sea.

 

[binayak95]

And how far are we from making predator standard drone for surveillance purpose ?

Tapas ko dekh hi rahe ho. Only hope is Newspace right now

 

[gajapati.]

Tapas ko dekh hi rahe ho. Only hope is Newspace right now

If its not futuristic, show me one equivalent drone anywhere in India that is even on paper.
Its easy to scoff at the predator, but people forget just how evolved and useful it is. Barely 2 Sea Guardians on lease have fundamentally altered the way we conduct MR at sea.

6 prototypes are already being manufactured .

 

[binayak95]

6 prototypes are already being manufactured .

6 Prototypes after how many decades of R&D. And what is their payload? Endurance? Sensor suite? ASW gear? ELINT gear?
I work in this industry; the only ones that are doing any work whatsoever are private players. Some industries are making headway in good control laws, making great airframes, and mass manufacturing them. DRDO is a jackass that does nothing but waste taxpayer money.

 

[gajapati.]

6 Prototypes after how many decades of R&D. And what is their payload? Endurance? Sensor suite? ASW gear? ELINT gear?

Thats what i have been asking , provide more information on those advantages .

At the end of the day this is for surveillance . So does these advantages count 3 billion dollars ?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

And how far are we from making predator standard drone for surveillance purpose ?

We are still very far away.

For MQ-9 Reaper, AN/APY-8 is the primary sensor. It generates photo-like radar images with a maximum resolution of around 10 cm in SAR spotlight mode and tracks moving ground targets in GMTI mode at a distance around 87 km.

For MQ-9 Sea Guardian also has Raytheon SeaVue Marine Search Radar and provides capabilites such as automatically detecting, tracking and sorting thousands of maritime targets simultaneously and correlating radar tracks with Automatic Identification System (AIS) contacts. The system also geographically registers radar detections to AIS data and digital nautical chart features, allowing for more precise target tracking, locating of threats and accurate cross-sensor cueing to the electro-optic system.

MQ-9 Sea Guardian also deploy sonobuoys and has autonomous submarine detection and hunting capabilities.

For MQ-9 also provides top-tier SIGINT and ELINT and capabilities second to none.

As of today we are decades away from having such operational capabilities in our indigenous platforms.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

I am not debating the positive aspects of drones, importing a 100 million dollar drone is useless as it won't act without confirmation. India is not the one that shows any balls by shooting anything suspicious that too via drone....get real. We had much worse situations enemy created for us and we acted like limp lunds. Just too expensive, rather put that dough on fleet of sats and private companies that can build them, may be get iranian ones for cheap since we never deploy our shit other than in marketing materials .

We are not buying these drones for their shooting capabilities but we are buying these drones for their surveillance, SIGINT and ELINT capabilities.

Remember we used P8I against PRC post PRC–India skirmishes. We basically used ASW aircraft to monitor PLAGF and PLAAF deployment. Even CDS was impressed by P8I's surveillance capabilities.

We are decades away from having such operational capabilities in our indigenous platforms.

The problem I have with GoI is that GoI is still not allowing private players to research and manufacture such sophisticated systems. Don't know the latest update but private players can't legally develop HALE (probably also MALE) platform in India.