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In fact, neither YJ12 nor Brahmos can adapt to modern naval warfare very well.
For this kind of missile with full supersonic flight, if you want to achieve a longer range, you need to fly at a higher altitude, making it easier for the enemy to detect, and the huge intake port also increases the RCS.
Therefore, an ideal missile is the Russian caliber or the Chinese YJ18, which uses a turbofan engine to fly at subsonic speed and ultra-low altitude, and uses the curvature of the earth as a cover to reduce the possibility of enemy discovery.
When approaching the enemy, the turbofan engine falls off, igniting the rocket motor, accelerating the missile to Mach 3,
At the same time, the cleaner body also results in a lower RCS value
However, with the advent of the era of CEC air defense in the United States, SM6 can use early warning aircraft for over-the-horizon interception, and this anti-ship mode will also end.
The future belongs to Russian zircon and American AGM183
Well i still think brahmos is better than yj-18 or Klub type Ashm anyday bcoz you will be getting supersonic sprint in some last 30kms and any good navy with CEC has good chance of defeating it easily compared to brahmos, even deck based fighters would be able to intercept it with their AAMs. Also, Yj 18 supersonic phase is not any better manuevarable than brahmos really.
As of now Brahmos is better than any ship launched anti ship missile compared to that in service of PLAN, though their most AShM are subsonic. And all these brahmos tests really points towards a lot of new tech or capability being integrated in it.
There was also a similiar Klub like AShM variant of nirbhay being alluded in interview by tarmak so a Desi Klub Ashm may as well be seen in future.

In my view navy should focus more on network centric warfare, air and missile defense, new antisub warfare tech. Our Anti surface warfare capability seems very good and land attack capability is non existent.
I hope we increase our capability of nuclear attack subs in 2 digits number beyond the current 6 requirement. These things would surely put a huge hole in the PLAN surface ships and would be a indispensable asset in combating submarine threats.
 
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Has there been any news or anything about the progress of LFRJ missile and ASTRA MK 2?
 

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Good riddance. This typ of technology shouldnt br foreign dependent now in any case. Scorpene leaks by Naval Group has literally put us on backfoot for first tym in naval history. All those decades of hard work by our prestigious indian navy was left undone by vested interests of west.
 

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Then the problem is very simple,
Do you think the key to missile breakthrough defense is flight altitude or flight speed?
In one word- speed.
It's not simple at all, ideally you would want to lessen shooter to target time and also increase its survival- both speed and flight altitude helps in it. And taking down low flying low speed target would be much easier than low flying higher speed target. So yeah speed is much important than low flying and the recent trends are in that direction. How do you exactly see YJ 18 as better than Brahmos/oniks?
 

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That launcher looks to me like iron fist aps launcher with 2 tubes in middle being aps launcher and the 6 tubes around them being smoke launchers.
Maybe the all are smoke launchers or maybe all are aps launchers but still 8 tube aps launcher would be something much more in number than present aps examples.
 

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Then the problem is very simple,
Do you think the key to missile breakthrough defense is flight altitude or flight speed?
It is meaningless to compare speed and altitude, both presents a part of weapon system. Low altitude flight can be detected early by AEW&C , the supersonic speed missiles can be intercept by the short range defense missile which has shorter response time and faster speed.
The modern air-defense system on ships are a system combined with multiple layers defense system. The idea of rely on a single weapon to penetrate the defense network is outdated. Each attacking wave must include different missiles to exhaust and complicate the defense task. That is both Russia and China are deploying various types of anti-ship missile (from subsonic to supersonic) with different platforms. The effectiveness of single weapon is too low.
 

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In one word- speed.
It's not simple at all, ideally you would want to lessen shooter to target time and also increase its survival- both speed and flight altitude helps in it. And taking down low flying low speed target would be much easier than low flying higher speed target. So yeah speed is much important than low flying and the recent trends are in that direction.
Not at all.
1. In the middle of flight, low altitude means shorter early warning time, harder to lock those sea-skimming target (because of background noise).
2. In the terminal, the supersonic missile indeed shorter the time but it is more vulnerable to soft defense. On the other hand, subsonic missile provides better maneuvering capability and better electronic measurement.

It is not who is better. Each has its own advantage and disadvantage. Actually, you need both.
 

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Yes, you have an outdated view here. Fast speed can reduce the reaction time of the other party,
Today, with the popularity of Aegis system, whether you are Mach 3 or Mach 1
As long as you are found, long-range missiles such as SM2 / S400 / hq9b can destroy you calmly,
The advantage of speed is only reflected in breaking through the interception of the near defense system at the end. However, with the popularity of hhq10 / hailam missiles, the ability of the near defense system to intercept Supersonic Missiles has also been greatly improved,
If you use low altitude supersonic speed throughout the course, your air resistance will increase greatly and your range will I decrease sharply
That's why I say Brahmos / yj12 is out of date
Buddy seriously
First thing we are developing many other anti ship missiles apart from bhramos of various ranges like lrcm based on nirbhay, slim again based on nirbhay, sr-helicopter launched asm, bhramos 2, bhramos ng etc.
Coming to bhramos
According to u high-speed is useless in today's warfare but why can't Pakistan neutralize incoming bhramos using your hq9-p
Chinese Ads exported to countries like Pakistan is literally worthless but I am damn sure Chinese would be using superior stuffs compared to what they export to keep the price cheap
High speed and sea skimming still holds a good advantage in any warfare in present day
Be in your hope of intercepting supersonic projectiles
 

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They can get oil from russia or even iran through land route...however blockade of any kind will significantly disturb global trade economy which is why west will piss on us...unless we talking about a full on WW.
Our best bet use long range dispersed asm and ships to sink chinese flotilla before it gets too close.
Maybe we could work with us to integrate those unmanned asm launchers with brahmos or develop em on our own
Or we could launch big swarms of modified SAAWs at their ships, won't sink them outright but if they can take out their onboard electronics, that would result in mission kills, by which point, we can just leave them to limp back towards their home ports or move in for the kill with the big boys.
 
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