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[Adrian Corvus]

@Adrian Corvus is this the turret you saw?

Most likely yess! Was a bit more flat and elongated and without the weapon stations and sensors

 

[Swesh]

NavIC is being used in our PGM like DRDO Glide Bomb, DRDO Smart Anti-Airfield Weapon, etc.

The problem with NavIC is that off-the shelf ICs and modules that interface with NavIC system are not readily available compared to those like GPS.
Another problem with NavIC is lack of global coverage and global recognition. This hinders export potential of product using NavIC and private companies are not ready to put in double engineering effort to impement NavIC along with GPS.

Upside is higher pricision in IOR btw there was a purposal of GNSS system by india but we are now involved in a PR EXERCISE

 

[Angel of War]

I don't know the specific research plan of India,
Hq9 cannot be installed on 054ap
Hq16 has been able to meet the most basic needs of regional air defense
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hq9P has been in service with the pakistan army for the past few months

 

[ezsasa]

Why are we not selecting this over AK-202?

Let the weapon system prove itself first. we have to assume that when ever SSS is confident for third party validation, they themselves will invite folks to test their products. hopefully they won't do the same mistake Tonbo did, not market themselves properly and then blame defence forces for not knowing about them.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Except the hatch. Automated!?

Could be modification on customer request, maybe army wants manned turret. Or common chassis with both possibilities being explored.

 

[Chinmoy]

Why are we not selecting this over AK-202?

What is the indigenous% in it?

Ask SSS guys regarding this & you would drive out blank. This has been discussed in small arms thread a lottt.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Why are we not selecting this over AK-202?

Because doing so would not be a good idea. Possible repeat of Insas program, does well in trials and fails in the field.

AK 203 is modernised AK 103, in use for a long time. Good enough for our needs.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

What is the indigenous% in it?

Ask SSS guys regarding this & you would drive out blank. This has been discussed in small arms thread a lottt.

In the AR-15 Patterned rifle, except the magazine, butt portion of the stock (buffer tube is their own) and pistol grip, everything else is their own equipment. As per their CEO (Viv Krishnan) they are not going to indigenise these polymer furnitures until they get a significant order as it is simply not feasible to do so for piecemeal orders.

 

[gajapati]

There is a 2 year old interview of sss guy with shiv aroor


Alpha defence has released a video on sss defence products .

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Let the weapon system prove itself first. we have to assume that when ever SSS is confident for third party validation, they themselves will invite folks to test their products. hopefully they won't do the same mistake Tonbo did, not market themselves properly and then blame defence forces for not knowing about them.

MOD should give a chance to private layers to prove the weapon system instead IA directly importing AK-202.
IA has to do validation and comparison of weapon system.

Can you elaborate on mistake that Tonbo did?

 

[ezsasa]

Can you elaborate on mistake that Tonbo did?

Tonbo boss keeps repeating the story that IA got to know about their company from americans.

my point is that a customer is not obligated to go looking for vendors in a buyer's market, it's the vendor's job to market themselves properly. if a company has chosen the wrong marketing strategy, it's not customer's fault.

pre-2016 Indian armed forces were not obligated by govt policy to buy from Indian vendors, now they are.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Because doing so would not be a good idea. Possible repeat of Insas program, does well in trials and fails in the field.

AK 203 is modernised AK 103, in use for a long time. Good enough for our needs.

Its high time we get out of customer mentality. Almost all armies are ready to be beta tester for assault rifles and other defense product. Initially we faced problem in INSAS but latter all these problems were fixed.
By early 2000s all problem related to INSAS were due to faulty manufacturing by OFB.

Its easy to take simple route out but our defense establishment are not ready to support local MIC.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Its high time we get out of customer mentality. Almost all armies are ready to be beta tester for assault rifles and other defense product. Initially we faced problem in INSAS but latter all these problems were fixed.
By early 2000s all problem related to INSAS were due to faulty manufacturing by OFB.

Its easy to take simple route out but our defense establishment are not ready to support local MIC.

If a gun fits our needs, with 0% royalty fee for make in India with full ToT, why not go for it?

 

[Marliii]

If a gun fits our needs, with 0% royalty fee for make in India with full ToT, why not go for it?

ToT for an AK ? Are we that desperate?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

If a gun fits our needs, with 0% royalty fee for make in India with full ToT, why not go for it?

They are waving of royalty because Kalashnikov will have 42 per cent and Rosoboronexport 7.5 will have per cent stake in new venture.
We will be doing same screwdrivergiri but at a mass scale.
All machines and design will be imported from Russia. I was told even the metal for gun barrel will be imported from Russia.

 

[SGOperative]

Its high time we get out of customer mentality. Almost all armies are ready to be beta tester for assault rifles and other defense product. Initially we faced problem in INSAS but latter all these problems were fixed.
By early 2000s all problem related to INSAS were due to faulty manufacturing by OFB.

Its easy to take simple route out but our defense establishment are not ready to support local MIC.

Army went to OFB, ARDE etc for that SSS Defence is still a startup, its their job to first prove their capability all of other stuff could be done later. No Mil in the world goes to Startups to be a beta tester for them. There are multiple startups in India itself working in this, no way we expect army to reach each and every one of them. The first Step is to always prove SSS is not a HK aur Sig yet, sure it has the potential to be one.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

ToT for an AK ? Are we that desperate?

My point exactly. With Sig-716 rifles in service we could have evaluated local alternatives.
Having indigenous rifle will improve our machining, design ability and kick start the entire eco-system.
Designing a assault rifle is not rocket-science.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Army went to OFB, ARDE etc for that SSS Defence is still a startup, its their job to first prove their capability all of other stuff could be done later. No Mil in the world goes to Startups to be a beta tester for them. There are multiple startups in India itself working in this, no way we expect army to reach each and every one of them. The first Step is to always prove SSS is not a HK aur Sig yet, sure it has the potential to be one.

DRDO was working on Multi Caliber Individual Weapon System but the program scuttled by IA in favour of AK-203.
As a matter of fact even Russians have not inducted AK-203 in large quantity. Only few quantity for for their SF.
Even large scale trials were not conducted for AK-203 before order we given.
SSS Defense is offering their platform to IA but IA went import route for reasons known to everybody.

 

[Bhaubai]

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Tonbo boss keeps repeating the story that IA got to know about their company from americans.

my point is that a customer is not obligated to go looking for vendors in a buyer's market, it's the vendor's job to market themselves properly. if a company has chosen the wrong marketing strategy, it's not customer's fault.

pre-2016 Indian armed forces were not obligated by govt policy to buy from Indian vendors, now they are.

A more pertinent question would be, how did the Americans come to know about an Indian company first ?