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[vishnugupt]

Let me get this straight, your point of contention with my point of view is regarding "academic researchers"?

stick to points i have explicitly mentioned through out this conversation, don't presume intentions which have not been mentioned by me.

For better understanding, Can you give an example of academic research which had taken place anywhere around the world on "reasons of procurement failure in percentage"
( whatever academic criteria you are asking)??

 

[Swesh]

Mach 5 immediately before interception

Traveling speed is Mach 2

 

[ezsasa]

For better understanding, Can you give an example of academic research which had taken place anywhere around the world on "reasons of procurement failure in percentage"
( whatever academic criteria you are asking)??

each country may have their own research priorities, in our case i have never come across listed points of failure wrt tendering process.

few examples :

https://media.defense.gov/2022/Feb/15/2002939087/-1/-1/1/STATE-OF-COMPETITION-WITHIN-THE-DEFENSE-INDUSTRIAL-BASE.PDF

Persistent Challenges in UK Defence Equipment Acquisition

This paper identifies underlying and cross-cutting factors that contribute to seemingly intractable challenges in defence equipment acquisition programmes. It also discusses measures that could help address these inefficiencies going forward.

www.rand.org

https://warontherocks.com/2014/12/top-10-failed-defense-programs-of-the-rma-era/

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8486/CBP-8486.pdf

and here is one done on Indian defence procurement By University of manchester

https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/files/117821253/manuscript.pdf

 

[Swesh]

Link ?

I remember reading it somewhere any way as per Wikimedia it's maximum speed is Mach 3

 

[THESIS THORON]

take this with a grain of salt, photo has ranges photoshopped. Only Akash range has not been changed.

but aad missile has only 1 pulse.

this is correct information.

its motor was going to be used in some srbm but it was not done as, if enemy got the missile they can analyze its flight characteristics

 

[johnj]

I remember reading it somewhere any way as per Wikimedia it's maximum speed is Mach 3

mach 3 for lr with booster. mach 2 with 100km.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

but aad missile has only 1 pulse.

this is correct information.

its motor was going to be used in some srbm but it was not done as, if enemy got the missile they can analyze its flight characteristics

Info could be accurate, but info has been photoshopped on to the brochure. So just take it with a grain of salt.

 

[THESIS THORON]

BTW, are we making any anti hgv missile ???

 

[vishnugupt]

each country may have their own research priorities, in our case i have never come across listed points of failure wrt tendering process.

few examples :

https://media.defense.gov/2022/Feb/15/2002939087/-1/-1/1/STATE-OF-COMPETITION-WITHIN-THE-DEFENSE-INDUSTRIAL-BASE.PDF

Persistent Challenges in UK Defence Equipment Acquisition

This paper identifies underlying and cross-cutting factors that contribute to seemingly intractable challenges in defence equipment acquisition programmes. It also discusses measures that could help address these inefficiencies going forward.

www.rand.org

https://warontherocks.com/2014/12/top-10-failed-defense-programs-of-the-rma-era/

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8486/CBP-8486.pdf

and here is one done on Indian defence procurement By University of manchester

https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/files/117821253/manuscript.pdf

And what do you think our committee do? Or do you not consider them academic? Or you want some sort of institution which is specialised to generate data?

Academic research can be done on behalf of Arms companies or some independent sources but they are prone for Bias. While Government committees are vary powerful they take first hand account from concern party so committee report is most trustworthy because they have to go through parliament and sometimes under judiciary.

Coming to your point about "data"
Committee do have exact data. Infact they have exact number of incidents ( Case by case) though they don't do public all data but what we see policy changes and reform.

Your original point, that private players also delayed procurement which I said yes, "sometime" because no committee or inquiry says that this practice of private players are very prevalent, contrary to this even private players participation is being encouraged.

 

[not so dravidian]

I have a doubt @Chinmoy @fire starter and othe members.

To intercept any missile, the interceptor needs to be of equivalent or greater than speed of the missile.
Or
The 3x maneuverablity rule is applied

Akash NG has capability to defeat mach 6.

 

[ezsasa]

And what do you think our committee do? Or do you not consider them academic? Or you want some sort of institution which is specialised to generate data?

Academic research can be done on behalf of Arms companies or some independent sources but they are prone for Bias. While Government committees are vary powerful they take first hand account from concern party so committee report is most trustworthy because they have to go through parliament and sometimes under judiciary.

Coming to your point about "data"
Committee do have exact data. Infact they have exact number of incidents ( Case by case) though they don't do public all data but what we see policy changes and reform.

Your original point, that private players also delayed procurement which I said yes, "sometime" because no committee or inquiry says that this practice of private players are very prevalent, contrary to this even private players participation is being encouraged.

Government committees are formed for a specific time frame and with a listed scope, their investigation is limited to whatever the court or government want them to look into. once a committee submits it's report it is dismantled.

even parliamentary committee on defence has a fixed scope, they don't look into things beyond their scope.

as far a bias is concerned, depends on the motives of the think tank. a bias could also be in favour of India's self Interest as well, to improve the processes.

 

[johnj]

I have a doubt @Chinmoy @fire starter and othe members.

To intercept any missile, the interceptor needs to be of equivalent or greater than speed of the missile.
Or
The 3x maneuverablity rule is applied

Akash NG has capability to defeat mach 6.

for chase, yes, the interceptor needs to be greater than speed of the target missile. for intercept, nope, but super high maneuverability and energy plus good seeker.
Akash NG has capability to defeat mach 6 - it depends on target and fcr, software [algorithms]
Interceptor missile don't chase high speed low rcs target, if it misses, another one gets fired, and it only chase fighter jets, helios, uav[low speed, less maneuver]
When Interceptor missile come close to target, it trigger its warhead[except KE kill missile] and the explosion damage/destroy target.

 

[vishnugupt]

Government committees are formed for a specific time frame and with a listed scope, their investigation is limited to whatever the court or government want them to look into. once a committee submits it's report it is dismantled.

even parliamentary committee on defence has a fixed scope, they don't look into things beyond their scope.

as far a bias is concerned, depends on the motives of the think tank. a bias could also be in favour of India's self Interest as well, to improve the processes.

So where is the problem? Committee do the same thing here what Academics do in the west.

 

[ezsasa]

So where is the problem? Committee do the same thing here what Academics do in the west.

academics & researchers do it full time, same person or team will be able to focus on their research topic for a longer period of time. committee members move on after the committee is disbanded.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

1. Rumour, not accurate.

Israeli defence system shot down Russian missile Armenia fired at Baku

Russia urged Yerevan to fire rocket at Azerbaijan in Nagorno-Karabakh conflict's final days as Moscow pushed for a ceasefire

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[THESIS THORON]

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Again Trailer...This is what so called Highly RNDied TEL design...God Saves us all..

 

[johnj]

thanks for info.
Its a export version. 280 km range/supersonic. not russian version. mctr. right ?

 

[mist_consecutive]

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Again Trailer...This is what so called Highly RNDied TEL design...God Saves us all..

Trailer se kya problem hai?

IMO even better, recon, whether sat based or on ground, will be harder. Put a container shell or cloth drape over it, no one can differentiate nuclear missile from potato shipment.