Civil war in Ukraine

[bhramos]

Donetsk airport seen from UAV

 

[bhramos]

Ukrainian pro-government forces deploys their armored vehicles in the residential area of Avdeevka

Interesting color like WWII german gelb nach muster.

may be they are getting ready for Russian invasion .

 

[bhramos]

ukrainian soldiers shoot on policestation at Lutugino for fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfKY3sZ8K6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cYNI5GRiAE

 

[arpakola]

Dear sgarg,

You forget few things of the history. Before world war two east European countries of Baltic States, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia were either Parliamentary democraties or parliamentary kingdoms. They had the same government model than the "west" european countries. After WWII Soviet Union changed the goverment system of those countries to Socialist and Communist. When US and UK liberated west european countries of Norway, Denmanrk, France, Holland, Netherlands and Luxembourg, they did not change the goverment system of those countries, they were liberated and regained the system they had before the war.

During 1944-1991 those countries under Soviet rule suffered tremendously and they were actually only "liberated" when Soviet Union collapsed and they could regain their old governmental system they had before WWII. In order to make sure that they would not again be occupied and suffer They all wanted to join NATO which is a defense organization of free democratic countries of Europe.

So Russia's actions in Ukraine are purely aggressive and imperialistic, something that western European countries believed was a thing of the past.

NATO is not a defence organisation but an attack organisation
Warsaw pact was created .. after the creation of NATO, as a counter measure
NATO has attacked:
1. Yiougoslavia
2. IRAQ
3. Libya
4. Syria

also a NATO country , Turkey has attacked and occupies part of Cyprus.

So where your conclusion for defencive organisation comes from ?

Who has attacked a NATO country so far ? so NATO acted as a defensive organisation ?

 

[arpakola]

Ukrainian pro-government forces deploys their armored vehicles in the residential area of Avdeevka

Interesting color like WWII german gelb nach muster.

may be they are getting ready for Russian invasion .

let them cry... "Krasnopole" ... (next time..)

 

[@yourService]

One interesting thing was that when the Ukrainians accused the Novorussians of doing Russia's bidding, Mozgovoi replied that the Ukrainians were pawns of the CIA and, amazingly, the Ukrainians pretty much agreed that the CIA was running the show. As for Mozgovoi, he did not deny that Russia was helping.

I have two penfriends from Ukraine. One of them is from Kherson and another is from Lviv(or Lvov). While one of them is pro Russian and other is Ukrainian nationalist, both of them told me that they are appalled to find that the govt. is now controlled by USA.

 

[@yourService]

Dear sgarg,

You forget few things of the history. Before world war two east European countries of Baltic States, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia were either Parliamentary democraties or parliamentary kingdoms. They had the same government model than the "west" european countries. After WWII Soviet Union changed the goverment system of those countries to Socialist and Communist. When US and UK liberated west european countries of Norway, Denmanrk, France, Holland, Netherlands and Luxembourg, they did not change the goverment system of those countries, they were liberated and regained the system they had before the war.

During 1944-1991 those countries under Soviet rule suffered tremendously and they were actually only "liberated" when Soviet Union collapsed and they could regain their old governmental system they had before WWII. In order to make sure that they would not again be occupied and suffer They all wanted to join NATO which is a defense organization of free democratic countries of Europe.

So Russia's actions in Ukraine are purely aggressive and imperialistic, something that western European countries believed was a thing of the past.

Seems you have a weak memory. I tried to help it out by clearly presenting the list of countries in the Coalition of Willing but to no avail. It's pathetic to say the least.

 

[@yourService]

The 2014 Rada Elections: A Battle of the Billionaires that Has Split Ukraine
Mahdi Darius NAZEMROAYA | 01.11.2014 | 00:00


Before the October 26, 2014 snap or, as they say in Ukraine, "special" parliamentary elections in Ukraine, President Petro Poroshenko did his best to present the Minsk Protocols, a truce or ceasefire agreement, signed a month and a half earlier, on September 5, and the subsequent peace plans discussed in the Belarusian capital of Minsk as a victory for his government against the forces of Novorossiya in East Ukraine's self-declared Donetsk People's Republic and Lugansk People's Republic. In actuality, the situation in Ukraine was much different. Kiev had been militarily defeated in East Ukraine and could no longer continue with the war.

Before the Rada snap elections, President Poroshenko, who was elected a few months earlier on May 25, was trying to display a show of strength to Ukrainians. Poroshenko was merely putting on a show for domestic consumption, specifically for the nationalist voters and minority of aggressive hardliners who wanted to continue the fighting in East Ukraine. Petro Poroshenko's hawkish bravado and theatrics was intended for selling the ceasefire with the breakaway oblasts of Donetsk and Lugansk to the nationalist hardliners in Ukraine and to hide his government's defeat.

Poroshenko went so far as to even revamp his government with a militarized and hawkish image. To promote this pro-war image, President Poroshenko intentionally selected the cluster-bomb using Stepan Poltorak, the head of the Ukrainian National Guard leading the charge in East Ukraine, to replace Valeriy Heletey—who falsely claimed that Russia had invaded Ukraine to conceal the defeat in East Ukraine—as Kiev's new defence minister on October 12, 2014. Poroshenko's public appearances in military clothing and visits to Ukrainian troops have been part of this too.

Militarization and the Evolution of a Police State

The situation in Kiev is tense and internal tensions are increasing. While East Ukraine has its own military, there are warlords, unrestrained oligarchs, and uncontrollable militias in other parts of the country. Protests have continued throughout Ukraine. The Eastern European country's problems just continue to grow and multiply. Many of the protests and clashes have nothing to do with the fighting with East Ukraine, but economic stagnation, mismanagement, corruption, and the country's oligarchs.

Even after the fighting in East Ukraine was suspended, the Ukrainian government has refused to demobilize the Ukrainian National Guard and to send home the draftees that have served their terms and finished their tours. The reasons are that these draftees are being kept for internal policing and because of Poroshenko's fears that the private armies of other Ukrainian oligarchs may be used to overthrow him or that he could be ousted by unhappy groups. The tensions over demobilization increased so much that about two weeks before the elections, on October 13, draftees in the National Guard were protesting in Kiev asking to be demobilized.

The vestiges of a police state have been put together in post-EuroMaidan Ukraine in the name of fighting corruption and terrorism. In parallel to the war on Donbas that Kiev calls "anti-terrorism" operation, political witch hunts have taken place and laws have been passed that allow for the seizing of homes, bank accounts, and assets. Ukrainian citizens can be declared enemies of the state for their views and comments on the internet.

Even the Russian Orthodox Church of Ukraine has been under pressure and attack. The ultra-nationalists and the government in Kiev are tried to force the Orthodox Church and its leaders to renounce Patriarch Kirill I in Moscow and declare allegiance to the unrecognized and excommunicated Patriarch Filaret in Kiev. Several priests loyal to Patriarch Filaret were even forcibly imposed onto several Orthodox Churches before the snap election.

Low Voter Turnout

In terms of votes, the People's Front, the party that Prime Minister Yatsenyuk and Rada Speaker Oleksandr Turchynov jointly founded after the EuroMaidan coup, got first place with 3,454,358 ballots. They earned 22.17% of the participating votes. Using the preliminary results, this means that 10.57% of Ukraine's 36,514,491 registered voters supported the People's Front.

Yatsenyuk's camp was about neck to neck with President Poroshenko's own political camp the Blok Petro Poroshenko or the Petro Poroshenko Bloc. The difference between both competing frontrunners was a mere 0.36% of the total votes cast, but the mixed electoral system — which awards half the Rada seats on the basis first-past-the-post voting and the other half of the Rada seats through proportional representation — resulted in the Blok Poroshenko getting 132 seats while the People's Front got 82 Rada seats. Blok Poroshenko won the snap elections, in other words.

Although it did not get the high results that it expected, Blok Poroshenko got 3,398,588 ballots cast for it, which earned it 21.81% of the total votes cast. Using the preliminary results, this means that Blok Poroshenko earned the support of 9.3% of registered voters. Despite the low support, Poroshenko and his political allies gained control of just over 30% of the Rada's parliamentary deputies. This means that Poroshenko has failed to concentrate power and will not have the strong presidency that he wants. He will have to compromise with Prime Minister, Yatsenyuk, Rada Speaker Oleksandr Turchynov, and other groups.

Samopomoshch (Self-Reliance) got third place in the snap elections with 1,713,489 votes, giving Self-Reliance a share of 11.00% of the total vote. The Opposition Bloc, which has unified some of the smaller forces opposing EuroMaidan, got fourth place with 1,460,960 votes, giving it a 9.37% share of the total vote. The violent ultra-nationalist Oleh Lyashko's Radical Party got fifth place with 1,159,945 votes and a share of 7.44% of the total, followed by Yulia Tymoshenko's Batkivshchyna (Fatherland), Oleh Tyahnybok's neo-Nazi Svoboda, and the Communist Party. Tymoshenko got 885,714 votes and a share of 5.68% of the total, Svoboda got 735,401 votes and a share of 4.72%, and the Communists got 602,341 votes and a share of 3.86% of the total.

The government in Kiev and the Ukrainian mainstream media blatantly lied. According to them the turnout, including in East Ukraine, for the 2014 parliamentary elections were 99.9%. In reality, there has been huge media censorship and the diversity of media outlets progressively reduced since EuroMaidan. The electoral turnout in the 2014 Rada elections was the lowest ever in Ukraine's history and significantly lower than the 67.05% average voter turnout of all the previous Rada elections.

The Electoral Geography of Division

The turnout for the Rada elections was highest in the northwestern oblasts of Ukraine and progressively declined the further southwest the elections were held. This is why Lviv, Ternopil, Volyn, and Ivano-Frankivsk respectively had turnouts of 70%, 68.28%, 64.85%, 63.73%, and — the highest level of voter participation — and Lugansk, Donetsk, Odessa, and Kherson respectively had turnouts of 32.87%, 32.4%, 39.52%, and 41.36% — the lowest level of voter participation — on October 26. With the acceptation of Khmelnytsky, with a turnout of 60.21%, all the other Ukrainian oblasts and the city of Kiev had voter participation levels ranging in the fifties and forties with a progressive drop the further southeast the elections were held.

The People's Front performed the best in the oblasts of Cherkasy, Chernivtsi, Ivano-Frankivsk or Prykarpattia (formerly Stanislav), Kiev (which excludes the capital city of Kiev), Kirovohrad (Kirovograd), Khmelnytsky, Lviv, Rivne, Ternopil, Volyn, and Zhytomyr in the central and western regions of Ukraine. This is the preliminary breakdown of the People's Front's vote shares from the places where it got the most votes: 26.71% in Cherkasy; 32.33% in Chernivtsi; 37.53% in Ivano-Frankivsk; 28.32% in Kiev or Kyivshchyna; 23.66% in Kirovohrad; 26.09% in Khmelnytsky; 32.99% in Lviv; 29.32% in Rivne; 36.49% in Ternopil; 33.26% in Volyn; and 26.4% in Zhytomyr. It received no votes in Lugansk and only got 6.09% of the votes in Donetsk from the 32.4% of registered voters that participated in the snap elections.

The Blok Poroshenko had the best electoral performance in the following regions: the self-governing city of Kiev and the oblasts of Chernihiv (Chernigov), Poltava, Sumy, and Vinnytsia in the northwest and central part of Ukraine; the oblasts of Kherson, Mykolaiv, and Odessa in the southwest; and the oblast of Zakarpattia (Transcarpathia), on the Ukrainian border with Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania, in the westernmost part of Ukraine. Like Yatsenyuk's People's Front, Blok Poroshenko did poorly in Donetsk, Lugansk, and Kharkiv. It received the highest share of votes in Vinnytsia, on the border with Moldova, where it got 37.48% of the votes from the 58.08% of registered Ukrainians voters that participated.

The Opposition Bloc won all the seats from Kharkiv and Lugansk. In Zaporizhzhya it won eight out of nine constituencies. It also had the overall second best performance in the southwestern area of Ukraine.

Some inferences can be made from these statistics. The first is that there is a west-east divide in the country. The westernmost parts of Ukraine heavily supported the snap Rada elections while the easternmost parts of the country opposed it.

The second point is that the Opposition Bloc and Ukrainian Communist Party managed to attract registered voters in the eastern and southern parts of Ukraine to participate in the election. In the cases of Donetsk, Kharkiv, and Lugansk the participation figures would have been drastically lower if it was not for the participation of the Opposition Bloc and of the Ukrainian Communists.

The most important conclusion, ignoring the intimidation and other negative factors during the campaigning and the election process, is that the 2014 Rada election is not reflective of the political views of the Ukrainian population due to the low level of participation and the system of semi-proportional representation.

An Unfair Electoral Environment

The elections were conducted in an atmosphere of fear and coercions. Candidates have been attacked and assassination attempts have even taken place. Aside from the situation in East Ukraine, this is one of the reasons that the participation was low. Alongside the intimidation and violence, the increasing post-EuroMaidan media controls and censorship also prevented a diversity of views from being expressed freely.

The Communist Party was literally decimated before the election. It was effectively disbanded in the Rada while legal action was taken against it to ultimately outlaw it. Communist Party of Ukraine offices and members were consistently attacked too.

Despite the unreasonable circumstances that the snap elections were conducted in, the United States, Canada, and the European Union have put their support behind the process and the results. Instead these countries are calling for a halt to the parallel November 2, 2014 elections in East Ukraine. On October 29, the European Union released a statement condemning the Russian government's plans to recognition the election results in Novorossiya and for the November 2 elections in East Ukraine themselves. The office of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, not to be mistaken with the United Nations itself, also followed suit to condemn the November 2 elections.

Will Ukraine Implode?

Since the truce in Minsk was made, it was hoped that the conflict in East Ukraine would become another frozen conflict in the post-Soviet space. Although even with the ceasefire the hostilities never totally stopped, the fighting was reduced and the conflict in East Ukraine began to be compared to the post-Soviet conflicts that Tbilisi has with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the conflict that Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan have over Nagorno-Karabakh, and the conflict between Moldova and the breakaway Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic (Transnistria).

Days after the snap Rada elections, on October 29, without giving any explanation the authorities in Kiev withdrew from the October 11 delineation agreement that Poroshenko had made with Donetsk for creating a demarcation line to create a demilitarized border under the ceasefire agreement. This may be a sign that the ceasefire is being abandoned by Kiev. According to Aleksandr Zakharchenko, the prime minister of the Donetsk People's Republic, the "party of war" has won the 2014 Rada elections.

The Ukrainian military has been reorganizing since the truce and could be waiting until the warm weather of spring arrives in 2015 to launch a new offensive in East Ukraine. Since the truce, Kiev has been receiving military aid and training from the US, Poland, and NATO. The media in North America and the European Union have been looking the other way as Polish mercenaries and arms have been flooding eastward into Ukraine while they have been continuously blaming the Russian Federation for intervening in East Ukraine.

The situation is even more complicated, because there is no unity in Kiev. There are many internal rivalries inside Ukraine between competing factions and the oligarchs. The Ukrainian military and more specifically the Ukrainian National Guard are not under the total control of Kiev. There are private armies and militia formations controlled by local oligarchies. This is one of the reasons that the Ukrainian government is militarizing and refusing to demobilize the National Guard draftees.

The day after the Ukrainian National Guard protests, on October 14, there were violent clashes and protests in Kiev because most the Verkhovna Rada's deputies did not support giving the status of Second World War veterans and pensions to the Ukrainian citizens that had collaborated with Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Ukraine in 1941. There was virtually no word about the October 14 clashes from the media networks and outlets in North America and most the European Union. Instead the media in these places would go on to report that the Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic were preventing the people of East Ukraine from voting in the October 26 Rada elections. The Times, one Britain's prominent daily newspapers, would even show the picture of a soldier in Kashmir and claim that it was one of Novorossiya's separatist soldiers in East Ukraine preventing the local population from participating in the Rada elections.

The Ukrainian National Guard has evolved into a liability. It is a series of political formation tied to the ultra-nationalist militias of groups like Pravy Sektor that are being managed by the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. In this regard the National Guard can be compared to Nazi Germany's Schutzstaffel (SS). There are growing differences between the Ukrainian military and the National Guard and Kiev authorities too.

The elections in Ukraine have sealed the Eastern European country's fate and split the country into two. All the cleavages in the Ukraine have been stressed almost to a breaking point. On top of it being used as a geopolitical chessboard by Washington and the European Union against Moscow, Ukraine faces political crisis, intensifying rivalries, austerity measures, and economic meltdown. Under these circumstances, an implosion is bound to happen in Ukraine. Unfortunately for the people of Ukraine, the worst is yet to come.

The article can be found at Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya - The 2014 Rada Elections: A Battle of the Billionaires that Has Split Ukraine - Strategic Culture Foundation - on-line journal > The 2014 Rada Elections: A Battle of the Billionaires that Has Split Ukraine > Strategic-Culture

 

[pmaitra]

Lugansk election winner Plotnitsky: "I would like to join Russia"

Plotnitsky acknowledged that one of his goals for the future is to become LC in Russia. However, while it is not a matter of priority, the head of the republic, you first need to solve a significant problem to "fit" of Russia.

- I would like to be part of Russia. Very easy to say this, but it does not mean that you can match - says Igor Plotnitsky. - There is such a thing constantly hear at meetings of the electrics - "synchronization lines." And this should happen to our people - synchronization of economics, politics, and understanding of the laws. A mentality and spirituality we have long been synchronized, we have long been united. Therefore, joining Russia is only a matter of time.

 

[sgarg]

Dear sgarg,

You forget few things of the history. Before world war two east European countries of Baltic States, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia were either Parliamentary democraties or parliamentary kingdoms. They had the same government model than the "west" european countries. After WWII Soviet Union changed the goverment system of those countries to Socialist and Communist. When US and UK liberated west european countries of Norway, Denmanrk, France, Holland, Netherlands and Luxembourg, they did not change the goverment system of those countries, they were liberated and regained the system they had before the war.

During 1944-1991 those countries under Soviet rule suffered tremendously and they were actually only "liberated" when Soviet Union collapsed and they could regain their old governmental system they had before WWII. In order to make sure that they would not again be occupied and suffer They all wanted to join NATO which is a defense organization of free democratic countries of Europe.

So Russia's actions in Ukraine are purely aggressive and imperialistic, something that western European countries believed was a thing of the past.

The history does not matter now. Today's situation is pure military moves by USA with the help of its sympathisers.
What happened in World War II is not a justification of today's American aggression all over the world.
You are making it a democracy vs communism. This is why I called you a propagandist. This war is not at all about communism.

 

[bhramos]

Message from Dmitri Dzygovbrodskogo. "Roads of New Russia ... We are companions of the Committee with the support of state-building, which is the cofounder of my close friend Vladimir Rogov, visited Krasnodon, Luhansk, Alchevsk, Donetsk. to attend, as observers, the elections together with representatives Canada and Great Britain. And they brought the truck warm winter clothing for men Brigade "Ghost"

 

[bhramos]

"Cossack with the callsign" Senya "commented shots daylight suppression checkpoint â„–31 Ukrainian punitive."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpMEjiLkM6Y

 

[bhramos]

"The heroine of our time with the call" wife's mother "- women who are not indifferent to the fate of Donbass, which in the militia from day one. She is a native of the Slavic, she has two children, a son and a daughter (my daughter-small child) . When the fighting began, "wife's mother" took out a family in Russia, but also the son returned and stood in the ranks of the militia. She took part in the fighting in Slavyansk, Semyonovka, Starobeshevo, Komsomolsk and Zhdanovka. At this point in the war and Nikishin Kumshatske. "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsn8XMVwEuQ

 

[bhramos]

Video of the brigade "Ghost" (excerpt). "Alex Brain in an interview made "‹"‹it clear new vision of the political situation, the attitude to the Russian Federation, as well as to the idea of the liberation of historical New Russia. "The task of the militia must be to free territories" from Kharkov to Odessa ", and Only then it is time to discuss the future status of New Russia - will it be part of the Russian Federation, or the only member of the Eurasian Union "- said the brigade commander," Phantom "Alex Brain."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkn7pHFfpRE

 

[bhramos]

"In Donetsk continues shelling. Scourges use incendiary mines. In the area of work Uglegorsk heard artillery barrage does not subside. About Debaltseve near Chernukhin go fight." Below is a video and photos from witnesses with incendiary fire Donetsk mines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW1taHUk09A

 

[Razor]

Seems you have a week memory. I tried to help it out by clearly presenting the list of countries in the Coalition of Willing but to no avail. It's pathetic to say the least.

Good point.
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Elections in Free Donbass is done. Turnout in Lugansk, I hear is close to 70%. Compare this to the pathetic 39% turnout in Odessa. This shows, contrary to the propaganda bombarded by so called unbiased Western media, that there is more support for local govt. in Free Donbass than in Odessa. This also shows that unlike wha tis propagated by Western media and its minions, all is not well in what is left of Ukraine.
Couple this with the fact that likes of Kolomoisky and his pals are running entire Oblasts in the South/East, I get the feeling another split will occur sometime soon (2-4 yrs). Though Russia would like to see Russian sympathetic elements present in Ukr so that Ukraine doesn't jump into NATO.

 

[pmaitra]

Seems you have a week memory. I tried to help it out by clearly presenting the list of countries in the Coalition of Willing but to no avail. It's pathetic to say the least.

He doesn't have a weak memory. He has a predefined set of scripts, such as below, that he keeps repeating from time to time:
"This reminds of Hitler."
"Democracy, freedom, liberty."

Ask him why the West toppled a democratically elected President? He will fall silent.

Read between the lines.

 

[bhramos]

Anti-NATO demonstration in Poland, Warsaw in memory of victims of the massacre in Odessa.

Poland: Anti-NATO protest in memory of Odessa victims hits Warsaw - YouTube

 

[arpakola]

Ukrainian separatist civilians hist the DNR flag over #Mariupol

 

[arpakola]

the Kiev Thugs attacking Donbass a day ago