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Any news about the bomb strike?
Not more than said on TV. Threw a grenade RGO in the cordon. Many wounded one policeman killed. Terrorist arrested. Threw a grenade ultra-righ nationalist.
Also for the riots arrested 30 people.
 

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Not more than said on TV. Threw a grenade RGO in the cordon. Many wounded one policeman killed. Terrorist arrested. Threw a grenade ultra-righ nationalist.
Also for the riots arrested 30 people.
So in other words 1 NG soldier and 1 policeman killed?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34105925

The terrorist is a soldier of the 93rd brigade. Looks like life imprisonment for that lad.
 

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Yes, they are descended from the Euro-Asiatic Finno-Ugric tribes, who lived just to the east and west of the Urals, which would be present day Russia and Kazakhstan.
Interesting article...this would explain why we are fierce warriors. I have personally wondered that many times. So we inherited hard work pragmatism from Germany and crazyness from Mongols. I like that.
Nothing fierce. You were easily subjugated by the Vikings, and the Vikings were defeated by the Slavs.

Slavs > Vikings > Finns

That's right. Modern Hungarians are descended from Huns.
Hungary = Hun + Uighur

Essentially, if you draw an ancestry tree, you will see, Hungarians and Finns all come from the same Uralic-Euro-Asiatic tribes. The Finno-Ugrics were just north of the Turkic homeland, and just west of the Mongol homeland.
 
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So in other words 1 NG soldier and 1 policeman killed?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34105925

The terrorist is a soldier of the 93rd brigade. Looks like life imprisonment for that lad.
Killed one person. This soldiers of NG. The fragment from a grenade hit him between the armor plates. Wounded 122 people, including 4 journalists. Terrorist- soldiers police battalion of special purpose "Sich". Previously, he was a member of the party "Svoboda".
cool AB class destroyer in Odessa today @Akim

Arrives at the exercise "Sea Breeze 2015"
take photo can not, because I'm rarely in the area of the marine station. My personal opinion. I am FOR the "mosquito fleet" for the Ukrainian Navy. It should be boats and small ships with ASM, torpedo boats, artillery boats, landing craft. However, the military command thinks otherwise. Now under construction 2 Corvette (there will be 5), 3 artillery boats (all 10) + boats and other types, tank landing ships of sea submarine. (used to be ocean)
Now are repair it modernization: boat ASM in Kiev, landing craft in Nikolaev, command ship in Odessa, small tanker in Belgorod-Dnestrovsky.
 
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Forbes’ ‘Russian Casualties in Ukraine’ Report That set MSM on Fire Was a Fake
And not even a good one

(Red Pill Times) | Russia Insider


Still no proof of Russian troops in east Ukraine whatsoever

This article originally appeared at Red Pill Times

Due to a lack of actual evidence (i.e. photos, videos, something, anything) to show that some 1,000 to 50,000 Russian troops have invaded Ukraine some 37 plus times and counting…Forbes has just said screw it, and is now printing anything they find on the web that says Russian military is operating in Ukraine.

Forum posts, tweets, blog comments, post-it notes…anything to try and garner support for the magazine’s MIC sponsors. More weapon sales means more money for the rich 1% Forbes guys.

Calling on their trusted Russophobe scaremonger contributor Paul R. Gregory to provide some “Russian aggression” goodies, the Kiev consultant and Hoover Institute sponsored “academic” came up with a suspicious, little known web site, owned by a shell company in Ukraine, printing a fake Russian military casualty story…no sources, no research, no fact checking, no google search…nada – nothing.

The story is so badly doctored that the fake “Russian” news site called “Delovaya Zhizn” (translated as Business Life) even misspelled the word Ukraine! Even a Bloomberg journalist called the story BS…



We also point Gregory and his poor, gullible readers to this link (use Google translate to get an English version): http://ruslanleviev.livejournal.com/37331.html

For his part, Gregory could not care less. He has been spitting out (for lack of a better word) stupid articles on how much he hates Russia and Putin (what Putin did to him, one can only guess) for years now.

Looking at Paul R. Gregory’s bio, gives us a clear indication which neocon team he supports.

So while Gregory continues to search for invisible Russian troops, like he probably also once searched for Iraq WMDs, we leave you with some of his greatest mis hits, and how RT demolished his amateurish reporting.

Paul R. Gregory’s is a Research Fellow, Hoover Institution

Cullen Professor of Economics, University of Houston. He is also a research professor at the German Institute for Economic Research in Berlin. He is chair of the International Advisory Board of the Kiev School of Economics. He serves as co-editor of the Yale-Hoover Series on Stalin, Stalinism, and Cold War. He has co-edited archival publications, such as the seven volume History of Stalin’s Gulag (2004) and the three-volume Stenograms of Meetings of the Politburo (2008). Gregory is the organizer of the Hoover Sino-Soviet Archives Workshop that takes place in the summer at the Hoover Institution.

His recent publications include Lenin’s Brain and Other Tales from the Secret Soviet Archives (Hoover 2004) and Terror by Quota (Yale, 2009).

Gregory’s greatest “I hate Putin” posts (full list here):

RT professional investigation of the story below.

Was not too hard to get to the truth…a google search, a phone call, and some basic fact checking (and logic) would have saved Gregory lots of embarrassment.

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A Forbes contributor, Paul Roderick Gregory, published an article on Wednesday citing a Russian web source called “Delovaya Zhizn” (translated as Business Life), which was said to reveal “official figures on the number of Russian soldiers killed or made invalids in eastern Ukraine.”

The report, dated March 2015 and entitled “Increases in Pay for Military in 2015,” was altered, with the relevant information being removed, after the Forbes publication came out. However, the original copy was webcached by Google.

The cache shows that the website, which has articles on Russian finance, markets and leisure, claimed that the Russian government had paid monetary compensation to Russian soldiers who “took part in military actions in Eastern Ukraine.”

Without citing a source, the article claimed that as of February 1, more than 2,000 families of soldiers killed in Ukraine had received compensation of 3 million rubles (about $50,000) and those crippled during military action – a half million rubles (about $25,000). It added that another 3,200 soldiers wounded in battle had received compensation of 1,800 rubles for every day they were in the conflict zone.

The Forbes contributor accused “Russian censors” for “quickly removing the offending material.”

The Forbes report was picked up by Western media and independent journalists. The International Business Times reported that the Russian article had “accidentally published the leaked figures.”

An article by The Independent on Wednesday called Delovaya Zhizn a “respected news site in Russia,” and cited the head of the Russia and Eurasia Programme at Chatham House, James Nixey, who said that the report is a “nail in the coffin” in proving Russia is engaged in military action.

Another media outlet piling on was was Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL), which claimed it had received a response from some Anatoly Kravchenko from Delovaya Zhizn, who said the website had “received the casualty figures from relatives of dead servicemen as well as ‘insider information’ from the Russian Defense Ministry.” However, they added that the website’s representative had “declined to identify any specific sources.”

Western officials, including two former US ambassadors to Russia and to Ukraine and the US ambassador to OSCE, also retweeted the report.



However, at a certain point the media storm came to a halt. Bloomberg’s Leonid Bershidsky concluded that the initial Delovaya Zhizn report was fake, questioning the URL, Bs-life.ru, and exposing a grammatical error (“v Ukraine” instead of “na Ukraine”).

More via RT…

RT attempted to contact the publication by phone numbers collected through open sources on the web, but received no answer by phone.

RT’s Ilya Petrenko also visited a Moscow address for Delovaya Zhizn that he found online, but there was no sign of the obscure website’s office there.

However, after sending a request via an online form, RT got a reply from someone called Anatoly Kravchenko – the same name as was used in Western media reports – introducing himself as “representing” Delovaya Zhizn.

The statement said that the original story in question had not contained the part about “[Russian] servicemen in Ukraine” nor had it been edited by any of the site’s staff until August 23.

“On August 23 the editorial staff received emails requesting clarification of the information contained in the article, in its last part. This is how we discovered that the site had been hacked… and an editor removed the part of the text added by the perpetrators to the story,” the email said.

It added that the site had been hacked on August 22, allegedly from a Kiev-registered IP address.

The statement stressed that the news site “does not have any political orientation and does not support any political power in the RF [Russian Federation].”

RT could not immediately confirm the identity of the contact – something which apparently did not stop Western news outlets from citing the claims.

This is not the sole example of unverified information related to the Ukrainian conflict appearing on the web. However, few such “leaks” make it to big media.

In one of the instances, US ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt was caught posting unverified images on his Twitter feed in September 2014. The photos, which he said showed US-Kiev military exercises in Ukraine, had already been published in July 2014 and in October 2013.

In another case in April, Pyatt claimed that Russia’s military was continuing to expand its presence in eastern Ukraine. As proof, he posted a picture of a Buk-M2 missile defense system that he said was stationed in Ukraine. However, it turned out to be a two-year-old photo from an air show near Moscow.

References:

http://www.rt.com/news/313653-russia-ukraine-soldiers-fake-forbes/
 

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A Top US Foreign Policy Magazine Warns Negotiations Preferable to US Defeat in Ukraine
  • Article in The National Interest warns against escalation and says US is setting itself up for a humiliating defeat in Ukraine
  • Washington urged to seek a negotiated solution with Moscow - which holds all the cards in the conflict - to avoid humiliation
  • TNI is a magazine connected to the Center for the National Interest representing the realists in the US foreign policy establiment
Alexander Mercouris | Russia Insider


John Kerry - the closest thing to a realist in Washington

As we first disclosed in January, a debate is underway within the foreign policy establishment in Washington about what to do with the Ukrainian crisis.

On the one hand are the realists, who appear to be led within the administration by Secretary of State John Kerry.

Pitted against them are the hardliners, who include Obama’s National Security Adviser Susan Rice, US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power and Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland.

Obama, characteristically, refuses to commit himself clearly to one side or the other. Instead, he tilts one way or the other, depending on which side appears stronger.


Since the late autumn, as Russia’s help for the deal with Iran has moved into focus, and as it became clear that Russia would not let the Ukrainians overrun the Donbass, the balance of advantage has tilted towards the realists.

However, as we discussed shortly after the Kerry-Putin meeting in Sochi, it is essential to understand the nature of the discussion.

The realists in Washington are not friends of Russia. On the contrary, they think of Russia as an adversary - just as the hardliners do.

The people we call the “realists” are not seeking friendship or a rapprochement with Russia. They simply see no sense in confronting Russia in Ukraine where Russia is strongest, whilst at the same time being willing to work with Russia on some issues such as the deal with Iran where there is a mutual interest in doing so.

True realists, people like (from their very different perspectives) Henry Kissinger and the historian Stephen Cohen, who understand that US national interests are best served by good relations with Russia, and that these require an honest acknowledgement of Russia's legitimate interests, have no voice in the present administration, or in any likely succeeding one.

An article (attached below) has just appeared in The National Interest, an international affairs magazine published by the Center for the National Interest, a US think-tank known to be close to the realists in the US foreign policy establishment, which provides a clear statement of their views, and which is obviously intended to make them public as part of the ongoing policy debate.

What sets this article apart is its frank admission of the point we repeatedly make: in Ukraine it is Russia that holds all the high cards.

That admission could not be made more clearly. In essence what the article says is that Ukraine matters a lot to Russia, but does not matter anything like as much to the US - and matters even less to the US’s European allies.

The result is that US and EU support for Ukraine is essentially rhetorical. Though they talk big about backing Ukraine and “stopping Putin”, what they do in practice is less than little.

The result is that Ukraine actually gets from the West microscopic amounts of economic and military support, whilst the West’s overblown rhetoric simply encourages it to engage Russia in a conflict it cannot win.

The author of the article has previously warned against arming Ukraine. In this article he makes the point that if weapons deliveries to Ukraine are to be part of a deeper commitment involving some sort of grand policy to confront Russia, then the fact has to be made clear to the American and European publics, who have to be told of the consequences:

“….. if the advocates of this course see small arms deliveries as the first step in a substantially broader effort, they should be honest with the American people about their proposed objectives and the costs and benefits they foresee.

If the United States is to make confronting Russia an organizing principle of its foreign policy, it will require an extended national commitment that will be unsustainable without broad public support (and difficult to pursue without virtually nonexistent European public support).”

It is quite obvious from the rest of the article that the author does not believe public support either in the US or Europe for a policy of extended confrontation with Russia - in Ukraine or elsewhere - would be forthcoming. Recent opinion polls in the NATO states lend strength to that view.

Since the US cannot defeat Russia in Ukraine, the author draws the two obvious conclusions: first, that it is contrary to the US’s interests to encourage Ukraine to get drawn into a conflict with Russia, which it is bound to lose; and second, that it is better for the US to acknowledge these realities and seek a negotiated solution to the Ukrainian conflict, rather than court certain defeat.

The author could not make these points more plainly. On the first, he puts it this way:

“If the United States is not willing to make a commitment to defending Ukraine sufficient to ensure success, how can we encourage Ukrainians to fight and die in a conflict with a very powerful neighbor and with no clear endpoint?

Allowing the government in Kiev and the Ukrainians resisting Moscow to think that America is behind them when we are not—or when we are pretending to ourselves that we are—is functionally equivalent to encouraging the 1956 uprising in Hungary, or the 1991-92 Shi’ite uprisings against Saddam Hussein, and then watching the devastating consequences for the courageous people who believe us.”

On the second, he puts it if anything plainer still:

“A half-hearted policy (or, for that matter, a 5 percent–hearted policy) to confront Moscow will likely produce outcomes demonstrably worse than a settlement—better to get the most advantages possible negotiated terms than to set up ourselves and the NATO alliance for a high-profile defeat.

This is the first time I have seen the word “defeat”- a big and very serious word normally avoided in Washington when discussing US foreign policy outcomes - used to describe the likely outcome of the US’s present Ukrainian policy in any US publication known to voice the opinions of any part of the US foreign policy establishment. The author has undoubtedly chosen this word carefully, in order to give the point he is making maximum emphasis.

That despite the rhetoric it is the realists who have been in the ascendant in Washington for some time is confirmed by the whole pattern of negotiations that has taken place since the fighting in the winter.

The result of that fighting was Minsk II - an accord, which the hardliners in Kiev and Washington are known to be unhappy with.

Kiev has since tried to sabotage Minsk II. In recent weeks it has stepped up preparations for an offensive. However, as we discussed recently, declarations of support from Western governments this time were conspicuous by their absence. Instead the word from Western capitals is of the importance of sticking by Minsk II.

The result is that - for the moment - the offensive appears to have been called off, and where a week ago Poroshenko was talking about “endless war”, he has now resumed talking about the importance of implementing Minsk II.

To say all this however is to notice the problems.

Though the author of the article obviously thinks of himself as a realist, and though his reasoning on its own terms looks flawless, the article nonetheless betrays a complete lack of understanding of Ukrainian realities.

The author seems oblivious to the fact that the sort of negotiated compromise he is talking about is completely unacceptable to the Maidan movement, many of whose members would undoubtedly prefer to go down fighting in “glorious defeat” than accept it.

As discussed previously, the only way the sort of negotiated compromise the author writes about could be achieved would be if the present Ukrainian government were replaced with a different one.

As we have also said, it seems the Russians have probably come round to that view. However in the West it is far from clear even self-identifying “realists” like the author have done so.

There is also inevitably going to be intense resistance from the hardliners in Washington and elsewhere. They of course adamantly refuse to accept the logic of the points made in the article - however flawless it may appear to be - and continue to push for more confrontation.

The great problem is that these conflicts in Washington between hardliners and “realists” are never finally resolved. In one form or another they have been going on since the 1960s (think of the battles between “hawks and doves” during the Vietnam war).

Sometimes one group gains the ascendancy and sometimes the other, depending on the domestic political mood in the US. However neither group has ever been able to win the argument and impose its views for very long. The result is that US policy is subject to constant abrupt reversals, making it unpredictable and erratic.

Even if the “realists” are presently in the ascendant, there is no guarantee they will remain so. It is easy to see how, with a Presidential election looming, the policy and the rhetoric might harden again, with none of the contenders for the Presidency wanting to look “soft”.

There is also no guarantee, even if Obama in the final months of his Presidency does fully commit himself to the realists (as he has just done over Iran), that this will be carried over to any new administration that takes over once he is gone. On the contrary it is easy to see how a Republican administration, or a Democratic administration led by Hillary Clinton, might toughen the policy again.

The article does nonetheless offer a possible guide to what might happen in the remaining months of Obama’s Presidency, even though for domestic US political reasons it will probably be left to Merkel to do the running. We have previously written about the sort of outline for a settlement that the Russians have in mind, and we could from now on see increasing diplomatic efforts to achieve it.

Given Kiev's intransigence, such a settlement still looks very unlikely.

The article is nonetheless interesting because of its frank acceptance of the overriding reality of the Ukrainian conflict - that it is the Russians who hold the high cards, and that it is the US which will be defeated if things continue as they are.

It is both interesting and important that there are influential people in Washington who can see and are saying that - if only because it confirms that proposals for further escalation will encounter strong resistance.

In light of that the article provides further confirmation of what we have been saying since the signing in February of Minsk II, that the worst period in the international part of this crisis appears to be over.

This article first appeared in The National Interest:

In August 2008, when Russia’s military appeared to be preparing to move through the Roki Tunnel from Russia into Georgia’s South Ossetia, Bush administration officials told Georgia’s then president, Mikheil Saakashvili, “don’t get drawn into a trap” and “don’t confront the Russian military.”

They quite correctly feared that what one official termed “a ‘Guns of August’ scenario’” could lead to full-scale war and Georgia’s defeat. Yet today, some seem to think that the United States should take the opposite approach in Ukraine or even to imply that the Obama administration should not have discouraged Kiev from resisting Moscow’s seizure of Crimea from a position of great weakness. Few explain why Ukraine’s escalation—with or without lethal U.S. military assistance—would not spring the same trap that the Bush administration encouraged Georgia to avoid. Even fewer describe what America would have to do to prevent Ukraine’s defeat in a wider war. This does no favors for either the United States or Ukraine.

Perhaps most striking in the Ukraine crisis is the extent to which Western leaders and politicians and pundits agree that “Putin must be stopped” while expecting someone else to do the work. NATO’s new “front line” states in Central Europe appear eager for the United States to arm Ukraine, but reluctant to become too involved themselves (or, for that matter, to increase their defense budgets commensurately with the threat they describe). Western European governments want the United States to take the lead, but don’t want to follow Washington into anything too costly, and the European Union is providing Ukraine with less than 1 percent of the assistance it has committed to Greece. In fairness, Ukraine’s economy is somewhat more than half Greece’s, and Ukraine is not an EU member. Still, Ukraine’s population is four times higher than Greece’s and many European officials describe its fate as almost existential for Europe.

No small fraction of America’s political leaders, including senior officials in the Obama administration, are ready to arm Ukraine, but few if any are willing to send U.S. troops into combat; in other words, they are fully prepared to fight Putin—to the last Ukrainian. Or perhaps to the last dollar that the Congress would authorize for this purpose, a limit that they would likely see sooner, since recent legislative proposals call for about $60 million for offensive weapons out of $300 million in total assistance.

These political realities across NATO’s democracies raise two fundamental questions about policy toward Russia and Ukraine.

The first has to do with commitment and it has two components. Do the “hawks” seeking to force the administration to spend $60 million—roughly equivalent to the proposed 2016 budget for Washington DC’s public libraries—and like-minded Europeans think that minimal commitments like this will do the job? After spending hundreds of billions of dollars to fight nonstate adversaries in Iraq and Afghanistan, with military capabilities considerably inferior to Russia’s, U.S. and European assistance to Ukraine is either a fig leaf or a very small down payment.

In the former case, if $60 million is all that America as a nation is willing to spend to defend Ukraine, we would be better off admitting this to ourselves sooner rather than later. A half-hearted policy (or, for that matter, a 5 percent–hearted policy) to confront Moscow will likely produce outcomes demonstrably worse than a settlement—better to get the most advantages possible negotiated terms than to set up ourselves and the NATO alliance for a high-profile defeat.

Conversely, if the advocates of this course see small arms deliveries as the first step in a substantially broader effort, they should be honest with the American people about their proposed objectives and the costs and benefits they foresee.

If the United States is to make confronting Russia an organizing principle of its foreign policy, it will require an extended national commitment that will be unsustainable without broad public support (and difficult to pursue without virtually nonexistent European public support).

Indeed, if advocates of this approach believe that a nuclear superpower—notwithstanding its other weaknesses—has already made an analogous national commitment to confront the United States, as many of them argue, it is difficult to understand why they have not done this already. If Moscow has indeed made such a choice, which does not seem very likely, it would be a much graver threat than Iran or the Islamic State.

The second fundamental question about our policy toward Russia and Ukraine is a moral one. If the United States is not willing to make a commitment to defending Ukraine sufficient to ensure success, how can we encourage Ukrainians to fight and die in a conflict with a very powerful neighbor and with no clear endpoint? Allowing the government in Kiev and the Ukrainians resisting Moscow to think that America is behind them when we are not—or when we are pretending to ourselves that we are—is functionally equivalent to encouraging the 1956 uprising in Hungary, or the 1991-92 Shi’ite uprisings against Saddam Hussein, and then watching the devastating consequences for the courageous people who believe us. Making a moral case to assist Ukraine without answering tough moral questions about outcomes means pursuing “the histrionics of moralism at the expense of its substance,” as George Kennan put it.

The George W. Bush administration, which was not shy in making moral arguments about U.S. foreign policy, appeared to follow this logic in Georgia in 2008. Why shouldn’t the Obama administration do the same in Ukraine?

Most important, being honest with ourselves, with our allies and with Ukrainians does not mean acquiescing to Russia’s conduct or giving up. On the contrary, it is the first step in building a policy that can work in protecting U.S. national interests and strengthening European security. Reckless rhetoric or—worse—reckless action helps no one but the Kremlin hawks looking for an excuse to escalate the fighting and a means to distract attention from their own failings. Washington should discourage Kiev from providing either.
 

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Now for some fun news (click ‘Russia Insider’ to see full report):

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Putin to Get $3 Billion From US Taxpayers After Ukraine Bond Debacle
Necessary if IMF wants to continue bankrolling Kiev's present financial obligations

(Zero Hedge) | Russia Insider


Knows what he's doing
. . .

In effect, Jaresko was attempting to tell Vladimir Putin that Ukraine would allow him to take a 20% upfront loss on the $3 billion he loaned to Yanukovych who was overthrown by the current Ukrainian government with whom Moscow is effectively at war. As you might imagine, Putin was not at all interested.

So what happens now?


. . .


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Joe Biden’s Son Says Kremlin Signed Him up on Ashley Madison
But it turns out the profile was set up from a University where he worked at the time and from a personal email account he used
  • Is there anything Russians can't be scapegoated for?
(Zero Hedge) | Russia Insider


Pointing the finger at Russians
. . .

Biden thinks international agents, possibly Russian, who objected to his board membership with a Ukrainian gas company set up a fake account to discredit him. A source close to Biden told People Magazine after the first Breitbart story ran that the IP address for the account traces to Jacksonville, Florida.

But account information shows that the profile, which was confirmed by a credit card purchase in 2014, was used at the latitude/longitude point of 38.912682, -77.071704.


. . .
 
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So far 3 NG soldiers died from yesterday's riot. Looks like you kill each other more than we kill you :laugh: @Akim

What does Minsk 2 do? We made your leader Poroshenko sign this humiliating treaty to cause war amongst yourselves while we sit back and watch the fireworks :laugh:
 
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The overall military situation
By the end of summer in the Donbass remains difficult military situation. The grouping of the parties deployed and both parties declare that the enemy is preparing to attack, while the fighting continues to evolve, mostly in a positional manner, where the main role continues to play artillery. Attempts APU conduct small operations offensive at the front to the South of Donetsk overall success of the enemy is not brought, and such activity by the end of the month declined slightly. Statements made by the leaders of the DPR about the areas of concentration of Ukrainian troops and the potential directions of the main blows, apparently, forced the Ukrainian General staff to adjust their plans, which has led to movements of troops behind the front line. In turn, the activity of AFU in Volnovakha direction forced the VSN command to reinforce the threatening direction. Overall, last week was marked by a small number of tactical successes VSN and increased the losses of the enemy while maintaining obsecrations situation without significant changes.

The overall political environment
By the beginning of autumn, political and diplomatic situation around DND and LNR continues to be close to a dead-end. The talks in Minsk and chat with Putin, Merkel and Hollande did not lead to major changes in the implementation plan of the political points of the Minsk agreement. As before, the main problem is the different understanding on the points of the Minsk agreements in the framework of the structural antagonism of the U.S. and Russia makes it impossible for a diplomatic settlement of the conflict.
Gradually the focus is on the issue of elections in the Donbass and Ukraine, which also reflects a different understanding of the parties to the conflict areas of settlement. DNR and LNR want to hold the elections according to its own laws, no part of Ukrainian political parties. In Ukraine it was decided that the occupied APU territories of the DPR and LPR elections do not take place, and on elections in DND and LNR synchronously with France and Germany made statements about the inadmissibility of holding elections according to the scenario of Moscow.
The statement was accompanied by threats of new sanctions, if this "red line" is crossed. At the moment the parties continue to prepare for parallel elections in Ukraine and in the national republics that will fix the ongoing separation of Donbass and Ukraine. Regarding military points of the Minsk agreements, paragraphs about the withdrawal of heavy weapons and the ceasefire is still not executed, and only part of the paragraph about the exchange of prisoners of war processes improved somewhat, although the full implementation of this paragraph that is associated with the exchange of all prisoners of war, it is not.
In General, the "Minsk-Norman" format over the past six months and could not lead to peace in the Donbas and used by both parties to the conflict to cover various actions of the military-political nature.

The situation on the fronts of the DND and LNR
The main events (as previously unfolded on the territory of DND. In LNR for quite a long time the number of attacks and clashes markedly lower than in the DPR, which is explained by the fact that the main forces of the parties it is deployed on the fronts of the DNR and that is where the parties expect active actions of each other.
Nevertheless, in the LPR for the last time there was a "territorial increment" when VSN took part neutrally style activity Mat Spartacus and Gubankov. Such successes are more of a propaganda nature, as it does not lead to serious changes in the tactical situation.
On the territory of DND, despite continued shelling and clashes near Donetsk and Gorlovka, major developments occurred to the South. Activity Mat on Volnovakha direction has led since the beginning of August to a series of fights and clashes in rain New Laspi, Stargatewiki and White Wheatear. Moreover, the initial tactical successes of the armed forces by the middle of the month came to naught, and closer to the end of August and is led to a series of painful mishaps. The reasons for this are quite simple — revealing activity of the APU in this direction, the command VSN pulled reserves, including additional forces artillery, resulting in the forces that the APU was trying to achieve here success, have become inadequate to the tasks that were set in front of the troops.
Strengthening of the artillery grouping VSN increased losses of the enemy as while conducting investigations of the fighting forces reinforced company tactical groups and banal attacks positional front. The most high-profile event was the flight of the 40th battalion of the territorial defence (former battalion "Kryvbas"), which was subjected to a concentrated artillery bombardment VSN and, having lost, according to various data, from 21 to 27 people killed and dozens injured, fled from their positions, leaving the equipment and ammunition (according to some, VSN captured on the positions of the battalion a few guns and vehicles). This fact showed the presence in the APU of the same weakly stable parts as in 2014 turn into a stampede if serious pressure on them.
Nevertheless, this tactical success VSN change the position of the front led. APU received a painful lesson and lowered their activity in this direction. Taking into account the losses under Mariupol and in other clashes near the Starognatovk, the enemy in the past week have lost up to 50 people killed and over 120 wounded. The vast majority of the losses occurred in the fire of the mortars and howitzers VSN.
Overall, it is obvious that without entering into battle mechanized units and the massing of artillery at key locations in major successes of the parties is difficult to achieve.
It should also be noted that in the rear areas of the DNR began cutting military commandant's offices, which suggests that the command VSN quite confident in their abilities and will not tolerate the probability that the APU will be able deep operation with access to rear DNR communications. The rear of the commandant's office, who played an important role in 2014, now become less actualname, although in frontline cities from them hardly refuse.
Frontline Village Lugansk — Happiness — Slavyanoserbsk remains unchanged. Information hysteria from both sides about what the armed forces expect to leave happy, or satisfied there is a war with "Aydar" in General remained in the information space. Happiness is still regarded as one of the key components of defense Severouralskogo front.
Basic reserves is still located Northwest of Slavyanoserbsk and around the Crimean. The grouping configuration is offensive in nature.
Overall, the plot Bakhmutka remains the most favourable for both parties in terms of active offensive actions — at this stage it is favoured and the terrain, and weather. The sector of the front in the area Novotoshkovsky, Popasna and Svetlodorskoe arc has a tendency to maintain positional nature of warfare, although the enemy is still waiting for activity on the part of the Stakhanov VSN group on Artemovsk direction and road Artemovsk-Debaltsevo.

Trends
From current trends it is worth noting the departure of the APU from the tactics of the terrorist attacks on frontline cities DPR and LPR and the transfer of the main efforts on the firing positions of the VSN, which is obviously due to international pressure on Ukraine from Europe. The firing positions of the VSN are not causing such media and public attention, so within the positional activity is quite inadequate for the maintenance of medium of conflict.
Also worth noting is the reduction in the number of investigations a battle to the end of August, which is associated with a fairly substantial losses and poor results. After the limited success of late July — early August, when the APU could use such tactics to take several sections of the neutral area, VSN thereto and adapted in the second half of August has provided an effective response.

Conclusions
In General, under the current diplomatic situation, the war, as before, will continue. The basis of the fighting will be positional fighting, both sides will seek opportunities to show offensive activity at the tactical level, in preparation for offensive and counter-offensive actions. The attack remains a solution to the diplomatic impasse, and in Kiev increases the temptation to disrupt the elections in local authorities DND outbreak of high-intensity combat operations. At the moment the attack is difficult as uncovered grouping and plans of VSU, and pressure from the EU, requiring to freeze the conflict and to prevent a new escalation. In early September will be another attempt to translate the fighting in nictitating phase and to reduce the number of attacks. Here much will depend on Kiev and Washington that may be not interested to indulge the Berlin plans to restructure the conflict.
 

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Ukraine lost 2,600 soldiers in the east so far. How many soldiers did Russia lose? 0. That. And we forced your spineless leader Poroshenko to sign the humiliating Minsk 2 treaty causing civil war in Ukraine. @Akim
 

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Ok, boss; let us believe what we want to believe. Neither of us are in the Maidan-e-Jung!
It's easy to believe, seeing as Putin refuses captured soldiers of the regular Russian army.
P.S. When was the Battle of Ilovaisk, captured Russian soldiers were shot with the retreating Ukrainian police battalions. and battalions NG.
 
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It's easy to believe, seeing as Putin refuses captured soldiers of the regular Russian army.
P.S. When was the Battle of Ilovaisk, captured Russian soldiers were shot with the retreating Ukrainian police battalions. and battalions NG.
They are terrorists. Basically homos Putin kicked out of Russia. They are not Russian soldiers.
 

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It's easy to believe, seeing as Putin refuses captured soldiers of the regular Russian army.
P.S. When was the Battle of Ilovaisk, captured Russian soldiers were shot with the retreating Ukrainian police battalions. and battalions NG.
Russian soldiers were shot with the retreating Kiev regime forces? That means, Russian soldiers were retreating along with the Kiev regime forces then? That means Russian soldiers and Kiev regime forces were fighting alongside each other against a common enemy? Who were they fighting against? :rofl:

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Russian soldiers were shot with the retreating Kiev regime forces? That means, Russian soldiers were retreating along with the Kiev regime forces then? That means Russian soldiers and Kiev regime forces were fighting alongside each other against a common enemy? Who were they fighting against? :rofl:

They were in captivity? Tell me. Why would I want to convince a man who doesn't want to believe? I gave you information. That you're alive believe it or not these Russian soldiers in Russia will not return.
It's the children. I had started to serve than they were born.
 
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