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Chocolatier Poroshenko is considering martial law after Valentines Day




February 14, 2015
Andre Vadzhra - blog
Translated by Kristina Rus


The chocolatier had announced, that if there will be no peace in 10 hours, he will declare a martial law in the country.

"Even before Minsk, at a meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, I warned that we will (if there is no peace) have to make a very difficult, but necessary decision to impose martial law. I emphasize again: in this case, martial law will be introduced not only in Donetsk and Lugansk, but throughout the country," - he said.

I can add to this that:

1. Kiev schools began to lecture children on civil defense (where to go, during bombing; what to do if wounded; not to pick up unfamiliar objects and so on);

2. State agencies in Kiev began preparing for evacuation. Including central agencies - AP [Presidential Administration], Cabinet of Ministers, MO [Ministry of Defense], SBU... (making lists of what/who needs to evacuate first, second, third, what documents to destroy, and so on).

In general, in Kukuev [Kiev] there is a light panic in the upper layers of the atmosphere. Those individuals who are closer to the bodies of the "seniors" already KNOW that in half a year their asylum in Kukuev will be no more, which is what they bring up in private conversations, bitterly upset.

It seems that Peter Alekseevich [Poroshenko] thinks that the martial law will save him from a coup. In my opinion, centralization of power will only increase the chaos in the country and accelerate the collapse and disintegration. Over the past year, the "center" showed how it can manage the country. :)

By the way, again from personal contacts... One (crippled in the ATO) UAF officer said that recently he got a call from friends, with whom he fought together, and was asked whether he would participate in the march on Kiev. My friend replied: yes, he will. On crutches, biatch, will walk, or crawl, just to get THEM...

How serious is this, I don't know. Time will tell.
Andre Vadzhra is a Kiev political scientist, philosopher, author and analyst, specializing in the analysis of the phenomenon of Ukraine, as a historic, political, cultural and civilizational entity. Editor in chief of informational-analytical resource Alternatio.org

Zakharchenko's final warning to Poroshenko




2/14/2015
Aleksandr Zakharchenko on Minsk-2
Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

"I said in Minsk and am saying right now that the DPR territory includes the entire Donetsk Region. If our demands for a de-facto independence are not met, we shall claim the entire Donetsk Region. How we will obtain it does not matter to us. If we can't do it through the political process, we have already shown that we can do it through other means."

J.Hawk's Comment: Note that Zakharchenko is talking about a "de-facto" independence, which takes a fair amount of pressure off Poroshenko, because all Ukraine's president need to do is simply leave Novorossia alone while continuing to engage in belligerent rhetoric. Zakharchenko is also re-emphasizing This Is It. Either Minsk-2 sticks, or there isn't going to be a Minsk-3. These are not empty words—Novorossia's army has been toying with the UAF so as to allow Poroshenko a face-saving way out. It is obvious enough which side has the advantage and initiative on the battlefield. The battle for Logvinovo was one that the UAF simply could not afford to lose, and they threw the best they had (they also threw Semenchenko, but that's another matter) at Novorossia's forces there and"¦lost. Once the attempt to relieve the Debaltsevo pocket had failed, it became abundantly clear who can dictate facts on the ground. Should Poroshenko fail to act in a responsible fashion yet again, he will not be given a face-saving way out the next time.

Zakharchenko calls an emergency meeting regarding Kiev's violation of ceasefire




February 14, 2015
Sputnik

The leader of Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), Alexander Zakharchenko has called an emergency meeting Sunday regarding the violation of silence regime in Donbass by Kiev forces, the deputy head of DPR militia said.


"The head of the Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Zakharchenko has called an emergency meeting at which the current situation is being discussed," Eduard Basurin said.


Eduard Basurin said that at 02:00 (February 14, 23:00 GMT) armed groups of Kiev militants in the town of Debaltsevo have opened fire targeting the positions of LPR and DPR.
"In order to avoid civilian casualties, the units of DPR are targeting enemy's weaponry," Basurin said.


"The units of the DPR armed forces are forced to open selective fire to suppress hostilities by Kiev nationalists and saboteurs," deputy head of the DPR militia Eduard Basurin said, adding that Kiev troops continue violating ceasefire in east Ukraine's Debaltsevo area.
 

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The Genesis of the Debaltsevo Cauldron (Analysis of Military Tactics)



2/14/2015
Intent and Realization
By Kolov_Rat
Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

The Ukrainian General Staff operational intent represented a classic scheme:

First Phase:

One. Create a salient around Debaltsevo, concentrate maximum possible forces, create two defensive positions: Debaltsevo and Olkhovatka.

Two. Concentrate forces in the Olenovka-Dokuchaevsk area, create a southern defensive position.

Three. Fortify positions in the Krymskoye—31st strongpoint, control the Bakhmutka road from commanding heights nearby which allow to dominate terrain with fire all the way to Gorlovka, and thus prevent Novorossia forces from maneuvering on the Lugansk-Gorlovka axis.

Four. Tie down maximum DPR forces in attritional battles using the Donetsk Airport as a base for military operations.

Five. Provoke the Novorossia army to attempt to close off the Debaltsevo salient at Svetlodarsk.

Looking closely at the map, we see that the Debaltsevo salient forms two additional interesting "horns", in the vicinity of Gorlovka and Popasnaya. If everything is properly calculated, one of them can be neatly cut. That's what the Ukrainians were counting on.

2nd Phase.

One. As soon as combat operations begin, Ukrainians begin mass artillery bombardment of Gorlovka from Artemovsk, Avdeevka, and heights around strongpoint #31 to prevent DPR maneuver in the "horns" so as to prevent provoke Novorossia forces to attempt to close the salient around Svetlodar.

Two. Slashing attacks on the Debaltsevo-Ilovaysk and Olenovka-Ilovaysk axes cut off Donetsk and close a huge cauldron. DPR practically ceases to exist.

Three. A supporting attack on the Debaltsevo-Gorlovka and Avdeevka-Yasinovataya-Gorlovka axes cuts off Novorossia forces in the Gorlovka salient.

The configuration of the frontline itself suggests such a plan of attack, as do the operations during January-February 2015.

The Ukrainian grouping in Debaltsevo and Olkhovatka was reinforced, and defensive positions were readied. This is the reason for the slow pace of the Debaltsevo operation. Moreover, Ukrainian forces conducted a reconnaissance in force on the Avdeevka-Yasinovataya axis, and conducted a heavy bombardment of Gorlovka. Ukrainian forces also concentrated in the vicinity of Olenovka and Dokuchaevsk, with several active attempts to create a breach on these sectors. Novorossia forces were met with stubborn UAF defense around Svetlodar and had very limited success there.

Novorossia Army Operations

First of all, the Ukrainian operational intent was understood from the start. Therefore once the "cyborgs" were knocked out of the airport, the UAF was deprived of a fortified location in the immediate vicinity of Donetsk, but at the same time Novorossia forces made it look like it took the bait.

At the same time, Novorossia forces destroyed the 31st strongpoint in the north-west of the Lugansk region, thus gaining control over the commanding heights and blocked UAF operations in the vicinity of Popasnaya and Krymskoye.

Second. After demonstrating activeness in the vicinity of Svetlodarsk-Krasnyy Partizan, they went over to defens, thus strengthening the flanks of the Gorlovka salient and north of Popasnaya. The demonstration in front of Mariupol forced UAF to divert some of its forces away from Olenovka. The storming of Nikishino and Chernukhino pinned own the Olkhovatka grouping.

Then they proceeded to gradually form the small Debaltsevo cauldron, whose destruction we are observing right now.

J.Hawk's Comment: This scenario sounds entirely plausible. While the Ukrainian plan of operations was sound, any plan is only as good as the forces that are supposed to implement it. Which is why the UAF had failed. Novorossia forces proved to be better led and motivated, which more than offset the considerable UAF numerical advantage.

The UAF, moreover, was too rigidly wed to its own plan, for there was no attempt to abandon the salient when it became obvious it could not serve as a springboard for an offensive to cut off Donetsk. That such a large group of forces allowed itself to be trapped speaks to the ineptitude of UAF leadership and the lack of fighting spirit of UAF rank-and-file. Both were qualities which Novorossia forces showed in abundance.

Novorossia forces also excelled at communications discipline—virtually all of its major operations came out of the blue and were not preceded by any "chatter" on the social media, which instead tended to focus their attention on less important sectors of the front. Because, let's face it, the Ukrainian General Staff can read Colonel Cassad and Strelkov too, and both of them know it.

Where do we go from here? It's not at all clear how Ukraine could attempt another operation like this one in the foreseeable future. This was the UAF's best shot, and they are not likely to get another one any time soon. It's not clear how the UAF will replenish its losses, especially in terms of heavy equipment. NATO countries know all too well by now that any weapons they supply will soon appear as burned-out hulks on Novorossia battlefield videos. While in theory the UAF still has a huge pool of recruits, their morale and level of training are very low. Ukraine is also in a far worse financial situation than it was even two months ago, and Western lending institutions who now practically own Ukraine look askance at military adventurism.
 

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Duh! I don't Unnerstand Yer Kwestyun

Cause I'm just a dumb cluck (or I think you are).

But one of us is pretty stupid.


Patrick Armstrong [SOURCE]




This video is a good laugh – it's an old one but still worth watching as an illustration of the level of falsehood of our "leaders" and how stupid they think we are.

Those nasty Russians are at NATO's doorstep; never mind that NATO keeps moving the doorstep, those nasty Russians are just nasty, and NATO's not nasty and.... uh... what was your question again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LexhW8SCM2c

BTW is Matt Lee the only reporter in the USA?
 

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I believe the fighting has got worse.
 

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Here's Whats Really Going On in The Ukraine (Interview)

One of the best-informed independent analysts writing about Ukraine explains a lot of things that the western media is totally missing. Highly recommended!

The Saker [SOURCE]


The Saker is a top level military analyst and a regular contributor to RI, and is one of the best informed people on the planet about what is really going on in the Ukraine. He chronicles it all in his hugely popular blog, Vineyard of the Saker.

He talks about how US policy makers got into this mess and how much Moscow actually helped the Resistance (a lot less than the western media thinks). He debunks the widely repeated charge that Russia sent in troops. He explains US micro-management of what the government in Kiev does, the trouble with NATO, and how things will probably play out in the Ukraine going forward.

Seriously interesting, and a much needed counter-balance to the innaccurate reporting prevalent in the western media.



Mike Whitney: Is the United States responsible for the troubles in Ukraine?

The SAKER: Yes, absolutely, there's no doubt about it. While it's true that the Ukrainian people were unhappy with the corrupt Yanukovich regime, the coup itself was definitely CIA orchestrated. The EU was also involved, especially Germany, but they didn't play nearly as big a role as the U.S. The taped phone messages of (US Undersecretary of State) Victoria Nuland show who was really calling the shots behind the scenes.

Mike Whitney: What role did the Obama administration play in Kiev's decision to launch a war on its own people in the east of Ukraine?

The Saker: A central role. You have to understand that there is no "Ukrainian" power in Kiev. Poroshenko is 100% US-run as are the people around him. The head of the notorious Ukrainian secret police (the SBU), Valentin Nalivaichenko, is a known CIA agent. It's also true that the US refers to Poroshenko "our Ukraine insider". All of his so called "decisions" are actually made by U.S. officials in Kiev. As for Poroshenko's speech to Congress a few weeks ago, that was obviously written by an American.

Mike Whitney: The separatists in the East have been very successful in repelling the Ukrainian army and their Neo Nazi counterparts in the security services. What role has Russia played in assisting the Novorussia militias?

The Saker: Russia's role was critical. While Russian troops were not deployed across the border, Moscow did allow volunteers and weapons to flow in. And while the assistance was not provided directly by the FSB (Russia's Federal Security Service) or the military, it was provided by various private groups. Clearly, the Kremlin has the power to help-out when it choses to do so. In one instance, there appears to have been direct artillery support from across the Russian border (in the so-called "southern cauldron"), but most of the aid has been covert. Besides the covert assistance, Russia has also provided intelligence, logistical and political support for the Novorussians. Without Russia's support, the Novorussians never would have been able to turn the tide in the war.

Mike Whitney: Did Putin send Russian troops to Crimea and illegally seize the area or is that a fiction that's been propagated in the western media?

The Saker: It's actually a technicality. Yes, Putin did send Russian troops to Crimea, but no, they never exceeded the limits allowed under current agreements between Russia and the Ukraine. Remember that the Black Sea Fleet was already headquartered in Sevastopol, so there were plenty of troops available locally. Also, there was a large group of local volunteers who perform essential operations. Some of these volunteers were so convincing that they were mistaken for Russian Special Forces. But, yes, at the critical moment, Putin did send additional special forces to Crimea.

Was the operation legal? Well, technically it didn't violate treaty agreements in terms of numbers, but did it violate Ukraine's sovereignty. The reason Moscow did this was because there was solid evidence that Kiev was planning to move against Crimea. (possibly involving Turkey and Crimean Tatars) If Putin had not taken the initiative, the bloodbath in Crimea could have been worse than it's been in Novorussia. Also, by the time Putin made the decision to protect Crimea, the democratically-elected President (Yanukovich) had already been removed from office, which created a legal vacuum in Kiev. So the question is: Should Putin have abided by the laws of a country that had been taken over by a gang of armed thugs or should he have tried to keep the peace by doing what he did?

What Putin chose to do was allow the people of Crimea to decide their own future by voting freely in a referendum. Yes, western propaganda says that they were forced to "vote at the barrel of a gun", but that's nonsense. Nobody disputes the fact that an overwhelming majority of Crimeans (95%) wanted to leave Ukraine and join Russia. All the "polite armed men in green" did was make it possible for the people to exercise their right of self-determination, something that the junta in Kiev never would have permitted.

Mike Whitney: What influence does Obama have on Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's decision-making? Is Washington actually running the show?

The Saker: Yes, totally. Obama gives the orders and Poroshenko obeys.

Just as they do everywhere, the US uses local oligarchs to colonize a country. Take for example Russia between 1991 and 1999. It was run by oligarchs behind a drunken figurehead. (Boris Yeltsin) Everyone knew that Russia had become a American colony and that the US could do whatever it wanted. It's the same today.

Yanukovich was no more pro-Russian than any other Ukrainian President. He's just an oligarch who's been replaced by another oligarch, Poroshenko. The latter is a very intelligent man who knows that his survival depends on his complete obedience to the US.

I wouldn't put it past the US to dump Poroshenko and install someone else if it suits their purposes. (Especially if the Right Sector takes power in Kiev.) For now, Poroshenko is Washington's man, but that could change in the blink of an eye.

Mike Whitney: How close is the Obama administration to achieving its goal of establishing NATO bases (and, perhaps, missile sites) in Ukraine? What danger does this pose for Moscow?

The Saker: The only place where NATO bases really make sense is in Crimea, and that option is no longer available. But there's more to this issue than meets the eye, that is, if the US continues to pursue this provocative policy of establishing NATO bases on the Russian border, then Russia will withdraw from the INF Treaty (Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty) and deploy advanced versions of the SS-20 (Soviet Nuclear Ballistic Missile) closer to Europe. The point is, US meddling could lead to a confrontation between nuclear-armed adversaries.

Mike Whitney: The European Commission has created a number of obstacles to prevent Russia from building the Southstream pipeline which will diversify export routes for natural gas from Russia to central and southern Europe. Critics have said that the Obama administration is behind the move, and that powerful US energy giants want to either block or control the flow of energy from Russia to Europe. Is this the broader context of the troubles in Ukraine, that is, are we really seeing an energy war unfold in real time?

The Saker: This is an important part of the equation, but not the central one. The central one is the mistaken belief (put forward by Zbigniew Brzezinski) that without the Ukraine Russia cannot be a superpower, and the equally mistaken belief (put forward by Hillary Clinton) that Putin wants to re-create the Soviet Union. For these people, the Ukraine is a zero-sum game in which the US must either control the Ukraine or destroy it, but not allow Russia to have it. The problem with this theory is that Russia doesn't really want or need the Ukraine. What Russia wants is a stable, dependable and neutral partner with which it can do business. Even now, while the Novorussians are demanding full independence, Russia has been pushing a different plan altogether. Moscow wants a unitary Ukraine in which each region would have de-facto autonomy but still be part of the same state.

Powerbrokers in the West are so maniacally obsessed with controlling the Ukraine, they can't imagine that Russia doesn't want the same thing. But Russia doesn't want the Ukraine. It has no need for a broken, dysfunctional, failed state with massive social problems, that will require billions upon billions of dollars to rebuild.

Sure, there are cultural, historical, religious and even family ties between Russia and the Ukraine, but that does not mean they want to run the place. Russia already got what it wanted, Crimea. As for the rest, Moscow's attitude is, "You broke it, you own it."

Mike Whitney: What's the endgame here? Will Poroshnko succeed in keeping Ukraine together and further isolate Russia from Europe or will Ukraine splinter along political lines? Or is there another scenario that you see as more likely?

The Saker: Crimea is gone forever. So is Novorussia. But in the case of the latter, there might be a transitional phase in which Kiev retains some degree of sovereignty over areas in the east.

In the near term, there could be more fighting, but eventually there will be a deal in which Novorussia will be given something close to independence. One thing is certain, that before reaching an agreement on final status, two issues will have to be settled:

1– There must be regime change in Kiev followed by de-Nazification.

Neither Russia nor Novorussia will ever be safe as long as the Nazis are in power in Kiev. That means that these russophobic, nationalist freaks will have to be removed before final status issues can be resolved. The Russians and the Novorussians are somewhat divided on this issue. While the Novorussians want their independence and say "To hell with the Nazis in Kiev", the Kremlin wants regime change and sees it crucial for their national security. We'll have to wait and see how this plays out in the future.

2– There will have to be a conference of donors.

The Ukraine is basically dead, it's been reduced to rubble. It will take years to rebuild, and immense sums of money. The US, EU and Russia will all have to contribute. If the West persists in their maximalist position and continue to support the Nazi junta in Kiev, the Russians will not pay a single kopeck. Russian aid will go exclusively to Novorussia.

Sooner or later the US and EU will realize that they need Russia's help. And when they finally figure that out, they'll work together to reach a comprehensive political agreement. Right now, they're more preoccupied with bullying Putin to prove that no one can defy the Empire. But that kind of behavior won't change the reality on the ground. The West needs Russia's cooperation, but Russia isn't going to cooperate without strings attached. The US will have to meet certain conditions before Moscow agrees to a deal.

UKRAINE: "Gone forever"

Though it's too early to tell, I think the Ukraine as we know it, is gone forever. Crimea will remain part of Russia, while Novorussia will become independent and probably end up in some kind of association status with Russia. As for the rest of the Ukraine, there's bound to be a confrontation between the various oligarchs and Nazis, after which the pragmatists will appear and lead the way to a settlement. Eventually, there will be some kind of accommodation and a new state will emerge, but I can't imagine how long it will take for that to happen.

If you want a more systematic analysis of the points above, please see The Saker's analysis on his blog.

MIKE WHITNEY lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press). Hopeless is also available in a Kindle edition. He can be reached at [email protected].
 

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LiveLeak.com - Top Russian Public Intellectual: We Are on the Verge of Global War
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War is necessary for the preservation of the American system, Russia is the main target

Sergey Glazyev is a Russian an influential public intellectual who views have wide traction among Russian elites. He was a minister in 1993, a member of the State Duma in 1993-2007, and ran for President of Russia in 2004. Glazyev was a co-founder of the Rodina party.

Text below is a transcript of a speech by Sergey Glazyev translated by Kristina Rus at Fort Russ

A sign of the upcoming collapse of America-central financial system is a crisis of the US national debt. You can see that this debt is growing exponentially. And any mathematician who looks at this graph will say that that the system has entered a critical phase and is in danger of self-destruction.

The American model is still strong. Americans dominate in financial markets, with about a 70% share of financial transactions. Having an opportunity of unlimited emission of the world currency, they finance a great share of military expenses, leading in the arms race. More then half of the world military expenses belongs to the US, and 2/3 - including NATO countries.

From the point of view of the long-term technological and institutional dynamics we are in a very dangerous period. This is a period of a shift of types of capital reproduction, cycles of accumulation, formation of a new core of economic development.

It could be called "a core of capitalism", however the Chinese model combines social and capitalist mechanisms of organization of capital reproduction. Unfortunately in the 1990's we tried to reproduce an old-fashioned model of capital reproduction, tried to copy the American model, and received a disaster as a result.

If we followed the model which was chosen by China, offered by the Russian Academy of Sciences, and the Chinese implemented many of the ideas of our scientists, the most talented of whom spent a lot of time in China in the 90's and taught the Chinese how to built a transitional economy.

Instead of our scientists we used the recommendations of Jeffrey Sachs, and the like opportunists, who imposed the American model, making Russia a far outpost of the world economy. Today this American model is entering a phase of self-destruction. This is a very dangerous phase.

So far there have not been any exceptions from the common cycles of accumulation. We are truly on the verge of a global war. This tendency of a world war is determined by the deep dynamics of institutional technological shifts.

Undoubtedly the United States will wage the battle for leadership "until the last Ukrainian", as they say now. Not accidentally they chose Ukraine as a tool of attacking Europe and Russia. Launching a world war is necessary for the Americans in order to preserve their hegemony in the world through strengthening control over Europe by imposing the Trans-Atlantic free trade agreement; establishing control over Russia and Middle East, thus expanding their competitive advantage in the battle for leadership with the Asian countries.

This war is doomed for defeat. Although Japan remains an occupied country, despite all the obstacles that Americans are trying to create in the Japanese-Chinese relationship, very quickly the Japanese capital is merging with the Chinese production system.

And we have to understand that these convulsions, that we see in Washington, from the point of view of global development, will not allow the Americans to hold on to leadership, but present a great danger for us, because they are starting a war in Europe against us.

We are the main victim of this war today, and there is no reason to believe that it will stop in the next few years.

Read more at LiveLeak.com - Top Russian Public Intellectual: We Are on the Verge of Global War


Russia is playing with high stakes.... Who with half the brain take this seriously?
 
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Russians Indifferent about Western Sanctions

The Russians' attention is on East Ukraine war rather than sanctions.

[SOURCE]

This article originally appeared at Business New Europe.




Sanctions no more remarkable than New Year's

A recent poll by Russia's Levada Center has shown that Western sanctions left scarcely more of an impression on Russians than their New Year holidays did.

As the bne:Chart shows, when asked January 23-26 what they considered the most important event of the last month to be, 28% said that they believed it to be continued Western sanctions – only 4% more than said it was their New Year holiday or vacation.

The ongoing conflict in fighting in Eastern Ukraine and Donbass led the poll, with 66% of respondents citing it as the most important event of the last month, while the collapse of the ruble registered 42%.

In fifth place was the continued decline in oil prices, which has seen the price of Brent crude plummet by more than half from its $110 per barrel high of 2014 to $55/b at the time of writing.

Were it not for the weakened ruble, this may have featured higher in the ranks, as the weakened currency has softened the blow of lower oil prices, which are dollar-denominated.

Russians blasé towards sanctions

A recent Levada poll has shown that only 28pc of Russians view Western sanctions as the most memorable event of the last month - only 4pc more than considered their New Year's holiday to be.

[See chart at source.]

Source: Levada Centre Get the data


Continuation of the fighting in Eastern Ukraine and Donbass66
The collapse of the ruble42
American and Western European sanctions against Russia28
New Year's holidays and vacations24
The continued drop in oil prices22
Terrorist attack in Paris18
The Russian humanitarian convoys to Ukraine16
The death of opera singer Yelena Obraztsova15
The ban on the import of American and Western European produce ☆13
The scandal of Poland not inviting Vladimir Putin to the 70th year anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz ☆11
The murders of a family in Gyumri, Armenia by a Russian soldier11
Solidarity marches after the terrorist attack in Paris ☆10
The Ebola epidemic in Africa10
Power outages in Crimea due to the Ukrainian blockade6
The World Economic Forum in Davos5
The creation of the European Economic Union5
The Golden Globe award to Andrei Zvyagintsev's film "Leviathan"4
Protests after the verdict of the Navalny brothers' trial ☆3
Restoration of diplomatic relations between the US and Cuba2
The verdict for Alexei and Oleg Navalny in the "Yves Rocher" trial ☆2
Other5
It is difficult to say8

Commentary:
A ☆ has been added to the points that western shills (BBC, NYT, WaPo, etc.) constantly bleat about, and blow out of proportion.
 

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Is Ukraine still in denial over Debaltsevo?



2/15/2015
Tymchuk contradicts Poroshenko, but in his own way
By Yurasumy
Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

I'm always amused to read the squirming by the "experts" who can't write the truth but don't want to lie outright. Yesterday's report from Tymchuk is a masterpiece of a sort, specifically the part concerning Logvinovo.

"The russo-terrorist [sic] transferred a fresh task force (up to 20 tanks, 10 AFVs, 200 personnel) to the vicinity of Lovinovo. The terrorist [sic] group that operated here earlier was destroyed on the heights between Nizhnee Lozovoe and Logvinovo (the enemy lost three AFVs).

During the second half of the day (2/14/2015) there was a full-scale meeting engagement between tank and mechanized forces of the UAF and the Russian Army on the sector Nizhnee Lozovoe—northern edge of Novogrigorovka. Neither side scored a decisive victory, but ultimately the enemy stopped its attempts to assault Logvinovo, leaving this town a "neutral zone."​

Now explain me this. How can you assault a neutral town in a meeting engagement, and then leave it neutral after having stopped the assault attempts.

P.S. The logic is beyond me. Moreover, Ukraine earlier acknowledged that Logvinovo is under Novorossia control (which presumably has no need to assault it). Semenchenko is more understandable. He took Logvinovo. Don't ask how or when, simply trust him, especially since Poroshenko himself is citing Semenchenko.

P.P.S. Incidentally, Poroshenko was not only absolutely certain that the UAF controls Logvinovo. He even managed to send four supply convoys there. Evidently Tymchuk slept through his president's announcement before writing his usual nonsense in the morning.

J.Hawk's Comment: As incredible as it may seem, one can't even say with any degree of certainty what Poroshenko actually knows about the Debaltsevo cauldron. It may well be that he is simply trying to minimize the extent of the disaster to avoid a public humiliation. But evidently even in Minsk he insisted there is no cauldron, otherwise that issue might have been become part of the ultimate ceasefire arrangement.

Anyway, who would tell him the bad news? His General Staff chief Muzhenko? Who kept insisting (for days!—with Western media dutifully copying-and-pasting his statements) Donetsk Airport was never lost by the UAF, then that it was retaken in a counterattack?
 

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"Ceasefire Without Peace"



2/15/2015
Statement by War Criminal Poroshenko: Ceasefire Without Peace
By Da_Dzi
Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

One. "I am particularly concerned with the situation in the Debaltsevo staging area. Yes, staging area and not a cauldron. Because the glorious [sic] Armed Forces of Ukraine have held those lines which they were ordered to hold by their Commander-in-Chief."

Two. "We proved that the troops in Debaltsevo received four convoys with food, ammunition, personnel rotation, and new armored vehicles."

Three. "We are certain that the ceasefire is what Ukraine needs. It's what the whole world [sic] needs."

Four. "Unfortunately, the peace process is in great danger. Because the militants [sic] are using the difficult situation at Debaltsevo in order to violate the ceasefire."

Five. "Nevertheless I have given orders to the UAF, National Guard, MVD, Border Troops, and the Security Service of Ukraine to cease fire."

The above are direct quotes from Poroshenko's speech. Let's analyze them.

Firstly, Poroshenko refuses to acknowledge there is a cauldron at Debaltsevo and that it's a problem. If it's a "staging area", then Kiev will continue sending there its untrained, inexperienced cannon-fodder. And bring out their remains. The Mechnikov hospital in Dnepropetrovsk should get ready for the next batches of future disabled. The cauldron is becoming a "Ukrainian nationally-conscious patriot meat-grinder 2.0." Earlier that role was filled by the Donetsk Airport. So the strategy has not changed. The Ukronazis are being ground to dust. I won't be surprised if we soon start hearing of "Cyborgs 2.0." A fascist society canot exist without myths and without glorification of its heroes, whether in Nazi Germany or in Ukraine.

Secondly, Poroshenko tried several times to shift the blame for a future ceasefire violation on to Russia. Poroshenko seems certain that even a weak ceasefire will not last long. Poroshenko already said that the "militants [sic] are using the situation to violate the ceasefire." So his attitude and plans are already well known. Moreover, Poroshenko did not conceal that he already managed to speak to his master Obama.

Thirdly, Poroshenko listed the UAF, NatGuard, MVD, Border Guards, SBU"¦but did not say a word about the Right Sector! While already on 2/13 Yarosh officially said that he does not consider his organization bound by any Minsk agreements. And warned that "if the UAF receive orders to withdraw heavy artillery and equipment and to cease fire, the Right Sector reserves the right to continue combat operations according to its own operational plans." Let's not forget that the Right Sector is recognized by Kiev as an "unofficial military formation."

So there will be no peace. It is not possible. Poroshenko himself confessed several times that he does not control the wild Ukrainian Nazis. There will be only provocations by Kiev in order to cast the blame on Novorossia and Russia. Provocations ordered by Poroshenko's bosses. Provocations due to the convictions held by the blue-yellow Nazis. So the war will continue.

Until the Verkhovna Rada is not destroyed and the Ukrainian Nazism is not destroyed once and for all. Until our soldiers write "We Are Here" on the ruins of the Verkhovna Rada.



J.Hawk's Comment: Is it going to come to that? Not sure whether this is a prediction or a warning as to what will happen should Poroshenko violate this ceasefire as well. Let's face it, Poroshenko is getting this precise message from many sources, possibly including from Putin himself in Minsk (something to that effect was suggested by Lukashenko). But this is only one of many sources of pressure Poroshenko faces.

As noted before, there are many reasons to believe the West is no longer writing Poroshenko blank checks simply because he (as well as Yatsenyuk, Turchinov, and the rest of the junta) singularly failed to deliver what they promised. The idea was for Ukraine to "deal" with Novorossia on its own, while the West looked the other way. Once the junta proved incapable of that task and, in effect, asked the West to consider starting World War 3 on its behalf, the West balked.

The West's Plan A was the economic colonization of Ukraine—and the junta was willing to deliver that in exchange for political support. That plan had failed, so Plan B is the strip-mining of whatever assets Ukraine still has through IMF conditionality and other Western "aid" programs. What I think the West expects of Poroshenko now is to effectively repress Ukraine's own population so as to ensure those terms are met. Western creditors will be paid, no matter what, even if it means the Right Sector has to shoot down protesters in the street.

So will Poroshenko buck the outside pressure and plunge Ukraine into more war? Risk taking the world with him if he feels he is going down himself? Time will tell.
 

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The chocolate seller should see this and stop lying to the world, and to himself!

Semyon Pegov, Alexandr Melnikov, and Alexandr Levin report from the meat grinder of Debaltsevo cauldron. The salient points are:
  • Kiev regime forces tried to escape from the cauldron, which the Kiev regime bosses deny exists.
  • Kiev regime forces were simply slaughtered. As the reporter put it, it was not a fight, it was a slaughter.
  • Dozens of Kiev regime's vehicles were destroyed.
  • The crew counted at least 20 corpses of Kiev regime's gunmen.
  • The militia used indirect artillery fire to destroy the convoy that was trying to escape the cauldron.

(This video is GRAPHIC, but there isn't much gore as it has been masked by LifeNews.)


(This video from the Komsomolskaya Pravda is slightly more GRAPHIC.)

Reporting by Alexandr Kots.

 

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Ooops... Grisha Philippov was (again?) filming not in the right time and not in the right place :rolleyes:
 
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Ooops... Grisha Philippov was (again?) filming not in the right time and not in the right place :rolleyes:
:lol: So, you guys have Russified his name from Graham Phillips to Grisha Phillippov? :thumb:
 

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Reporting from Dmitry Steshina and Alexander Kotz. "Surrounded by a Ukrainian military has been trying to knock the cork from the" neck ". Special correspondent Alexander Kotz and Dmitry Steshin one of the first hit in the neck debaltsevskogo boiler, where the truce does not even smell. Sunday morning in Gorlovka presses oppressive silence.

 

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Reporting from Eugene Poddubny. "Report from Eugene Poddubniy of debaltsevskogo boiler and summing up the first day of" truce "on Eduarada Basurina." Eugene Poddubny: "It was quiet for long, just a few hours. After - already familiar sounds of explosions near the village of Logvinova. morning - again the sounds of explosions. Of course, not as often as before, but still the fire is not stopped. At the column militia are advancing towards Debaltseve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEHgnbCjyXQ
 

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Report from the "debaltsevsokgo boiler." "Debaltsevsky boiler shaken by cannon fire. The militia have blocked a major highway in the area Logvinova a few days ago, but there are country roads, on which the junta is trying provratsya with reinforcements, and in which the militia burned for several columns. Now militias overlap and these loopholes. Semen Pegov visited Logvinova and shoot "road of death", dotted with burnt corpses of Ukrainian tanks and soldiers Kiev junta. The road up to Svetlodarsk littered with burning appliances APU. Also, the reporter has provided irrefutable evidence of the use of the Ukrainian side Tochka-U. Posts on launches of missiles coming over the past few days, they flew towards Debaltsevskogo boiler. "

 
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