Huawei makes good hardware whether its routers or phones and probably even better than American brands like Cisco and even TCL routers work better than Netgear and so on which in my opinion is total crap....US brands these days just want to make top dollars with sloppy work barrring Apple and few other companies which are top notch atleast from software aspects. Having backdoors, that is equally true....NSA is not some super god that can listen in on anything, they have backdoors and so does China. All the reason for us to get these home grown.....With that said, innovation is not easy and they are capable of building these things with the amount of collective manufacturing that goes on in China, same with India and whether they are at 5nm yet and what the fine print is besides the point, but there is no reason why they can't get to it. India is same, once we get manufacturing momentum, innovation will come in hightech areas....if this is not true then west would not panic like that. Anyway, India and China are productive and self sustained old civilizations and both are capable of being top dogs again. CCP deserves its share and the system is crap and eventually go to bust but all Chinese history is based on this reality, they are well known back stabbers and opportunists and reason no one really likes them like the Koreans and Japanese or anyone else.
Anyway, China not competing with west is a minus for us as the rabidly anti-Santan west will make India its first target.
Have you actually used so called chinese brand electronics?I have. They are utter crap. Japanese started like the Chinese too - low end, price sensitive goods. In fact, the US customs would catch Japanese trying to smuggle counterfeit goods in as well, much like how the Chinese do today. But within a decade Japanese quality and reliability got so high that Americans started preferring Japanese brands - Toyota, Nissan and Honda. Now you know the number of parts that go into an automobile including electronics. Chinese have been doing low end manufacturing for 40+ years now yet their brands have miserably failed in high income markets. Why? Because Japanese came up with original innovations in manufacturing and quality control. Many American and Korean manufacturers like GM now follow Japanese QC techniques.
I think you fail to understand that Japanese and Koreans have a lot of original technology in their name developed by properly recruiting R&D people and putting in high quality engineering practices to develop them. Chinese have nothing. They have been unable to progress in their HSR and maglev designs like Japanese have. Even the ball point pens made in China are crap. They reverse engineered Japanese ball point tech in 2016 yet could not get to Japanese quality.
Academic studies have conclusively proven that there is a limit to commercializing reverse engineered technology. Brand reputations matter a lot. Italian luxury brands did not get to top slot by doing shady manufacturing like the Chinese do. Even in Japan, it is Uniqlo brand that people trust to buy cheaper clothes and not any Chinese branded stores.
Chinese quality and reputation are in the toilet. No one with disposable income is buying a CCP backed brand. Huawei is pretty much a PLA lab. No matter how much they spend on advertising, Huawei gear is never going to sell in many upper and middle income countries.
A case in point: ByteDance had to move its HQ to Singapore from Beijing and staff the board with people unrelated to the CCP/PLA to convince Amreekans that TikTok is not harmful. If they had not done so, the US would have shut them down just like we did. Most of ByteDance’s innovations comes from the US Bay Area engineers and not China. Huawei had a similar model tapping engineers in Bay Area and Seattle to innovate but the US shut them down along with China‘s Houston consulate.
‘India needs to innovate like Japan, Taiwan, and Korea. Not like the Chinese. It is not going to work. Brand reputation is everything.
This means new markets for Chinese chips!
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