China Economy: News & Discussion

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

This is a great article of how throwing money to generate volumes of research did not translate to innovation on the ground. This text is from the article:
“For example, a paper published in a top SCI-indexed journal could earn a bonus of up to US$85,000. Consequently, China’s annual outputs of papers published in SCI-indexed journals soared from 120,000 in 2009 to 450,000 in 2019.

Paradoxically, China’s robust production of research publications did not translate into innovation. This was exposed by the US-China trade war, which revealed that China has been suffering from a severe deficiency in control over key technologies and intellectual property. Top Chinese universities are now perceived as being substandard in major technology development and transfer.”

”A leading scientist in China, Shi Yigong, revealed a stunning reason for this behind the scenes: Chinese universities do not produce many original or breakthrough innovations.”

Why is China falling behind on breakthrough innovation?

China’s annual output of papers published in SCI-indexed journals has nearly quadrupled in a decade, yet Chinese universities are currently perceive...

www.universityworldnews.com

The CCP‘s way of throwing giant money to gain shortcuts to get ahead does not work in R&D and innovation. Yet these bots here keep showing useless rankings that are not worth the paper they are printed on. It is all just fraud , corruption and PR.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Here’s one more gem:
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China is still lagging behind the US in many areas, especially in basic cutting-edge technology. Apart from core semiconductor chips, it is also lagging behind in basic software like computer data management, processing, and operating system software.

But it (China) has to realise that the quality and technological value that its papers hold are still far from those published by American researchers.

The reason for the gap between China and the US in these core, advanced, and basic semiconductor chips and software is because China is lagging behind in the corresponding applied and basic research in these areas. A country’s level of basic research and applied basic research can be clearly gauged from the publication of research papers. “

Is China winning? China lags far behind the US in innovation

Huawei will stop producing its flagship Kirin chipsets from 15 September due to US restrictions and also because China still does not have the ability to produce them on its own. Hong Kong physicist Xu Shijie ruminates on ancient Chinese philosophy's idea of a perpetual cycle of order and chaos...

www.thinkchina.sg

Shortcuts don’t work in research, wumaos. Put in the effort. Stop wasting money on patent mills and buy medicines for your dying people. Subsidize the cremation, so the poor peasants don’t get shafted. Or use that money to import quality generics and vaccines from india to treat the Wuhan virus. Do something useful for a change instead of wasting giant money on tofu projects and worthless PR. Lol.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Chinese barbecue cars. Sit in one of their EVs and get roasted. Unsurprisingly, the EV fires are only going up due to poor quality battery tech. I hope India bans these unsafe killing machines.

China's Electric Explosions: 7 EVs catch fire each day - Electric Vehicle Info

In recent years China recorded several fire-related incidents involving new energy vehicles. China's Electric Explosions: 7 EVs catch fire

e-vehicleinfo.com

In China, 640 EVs caught fire in the first quarter of 2022, up 32 percent | WapCar

Although electric vehicles (EV) are heralded as the future of mobility, however, it seems that EV manufacturers has yet to get a handle on the issue of battery catching fire. It is barely summer in Ch

www.wapcar.my

Are you exporting this garbage around the world to unsuspecting customers? Get ready for massive recalls. LoL.

The low cost EV battery model is going to go the Huawei way - dead in the international markets.

China's EV battery reliability lags rivals despite global standing· TechNode

Chinese EV battery makers trail behind Asian peers in technology, resulting in issues such as fire risk, say experts at TechNode's Emerge 2020 event.

technode.com

 

[ym888]

Chinese battery makers strengthen grip on global supply Electric vehicle boom in Asia’s biggest economy helps CATL and BYD reach worldwide market share of 50% A battery pack fitted to a Volkswagen car. CATL, which supplies batteries to VW, is the world’s biggest producer, with a market share of 37.1% © Liesa Johannssen-Koppitz/Bloomberg Chinese battery makers strengthen grip on global supply on twitter (opens in a new window) Chinese battery makers strengthen grip on global supply on facebook (opens in a new window) Chinese battery makers strengthen grip on global supply on linkedin (opens in a new window) Save current progress 88% Harry Dempsey in London and Gloria Li in Hong Kong JANUARY 4 2023 38 Print this page Receive free Batteries updates We’ll send you a myFT Daily Digest email rounding up the latest Batteries news every morning. Chinese battery manufacturers have extended their dominance over global supply, with the top two producers reaching a combined market share of 50 per cent, and leaving South Korean and Japanese rivals lagging behind. CATL, supplier to carmakers including Tesla and Volkswagen, more than doubled battery sales to 165.7 gigawatt hours in the 11 months to the end of November, according to data from Korea’s SNE Research — enough for roughly 3.3mn average-sized electric vehicles. That extends the company’s lead as the world’s biggest producer and takes its market share to 37.1 per cent, up from 32.2 per cent in 2021. The SNE report also showed “frightening” growth at China’s second-largest cell producer and EV manufacturer BYD, whose battery sales almost tripled to 60GWh over the same period to give it a 13.6 per cent market share. The tightening grip of China’s battery manufacturers comes on the back of breakneck growth in the country’s domestic EV market despite challenges to the economy from the property sector slowdown and zero-Covid policies in force until last month. The China Passenger Car Association expects the country’s electric car sales growth to slow to 30 per cent this year as subsidies are withdrawn, after doubling to 6.4mn-6.5mn vehicles in 2022. Many analysts have predicted that CATL and BYD’s market share will drop as competition intensifies both domestically and overseas, but the moment is yet to arrive. Korea’s LG Energy Solution and Japan’s Panasonic recorded growth of less than 10 per cent in the first 11 months of 2022, the SNE data show, with BYD displacing LG as the world’s number two producer. Kevin Shang, an energy storage analyst at consultancy Wood Mackenzie, said CATL’s strengths in technology development, supply chain control, economies of scale and relationships with carmakers had given it the upper hand. “Innovation is a key weapon in the market,” he said. “In the short term, CATL will hold its dominating position with more effort but faces competition from South Korean companies and US clean energy policy in the longer run.” The SNE figures represent the battery capacity installed in electric cars that have been sold, meaning the ranking is influenced by model launches among carmakers with which they have supply relationships. Recommended Climate change The Climate Game — Can you reach net zero? A further factor for the Chinese groups’ growth has been the shortages and high prices of raw materials such as nickel and lithium that have encouraged adoption of cheaper Chinese batteries by European car companies such as Volkswagen and Volvo, SNE said. CATL has ridden out some of the pressures that battery manufacturers are facing from soaring raw material prices, with net profit almost trebling in the second and third quarters following an unexpected drop in the first. Even so, its share price has sunk 30 per cent over the course of the year as part of a broader rout among Chinese tech stocks, taking its market capitalisation to about $140bn. The deepening of CATL’s dominance in the industry comes as it pursues international expansion across Europe and North America. The company last month started producing cells from its German battery facility, its first outside China, which will be followed by a huge 100GWh plant in Hungary.

 

[ym888]

Here’s one more gem:
“
China is still lagging behind the US in many areas, especially in basic cutting-edge technology. Apart from core semiconductor chips, it is also lagging behind in basic software like computer data management, processing, and operating system software.


The reason for the gap between China and the US in these core, advanced, and basic semiconductor chips and software is because China is lagging behind in the corresponding applied and basic research in these areas. A country’s level of basic research and applied basic research can be clearly gauged from the publication of research papers. “

Is China winning? China lags far behind the US in innovation

Huawei will stop producing its flagship Kirin chipsets from 15 September due to US restrictions and also because China still does not have the ability to produce them on its own. Hong Kong physicist Xu Shijie ruminates on ancient Chinese philosophy's idea of a perpetual cycle of order and chaos...

www.thinkchina.sg

There is no great shame in lagging behind the US,

No other country in the world has surpassed the United States.

What China is doing now is trying to close the gap with the US.

The first thing you can do is GDP,

Maybe we don't have to wait 10 years.

America is great, China will be great.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

A lot of signs are pointing to major Chinese growth after re-opening!

 

[rockdog]

Huawei is dead in the international business says it’s own founder. Rest In Peace Huawei. Next time start a company with no backdoor to the PLA.

Can Huawei thrive despite American sanctions?

Ren Zhengfei, its boss, has big plans

www.economist.com

Who said so? please provide the source of "Huawei is dead in the international business " ???

Etisalat UAE & Huawei to launch 5G network slicing technology

Etisalat UAE, the telecom pillar of e&, formerly known as Etisalat Group, has revealed successful deployment and testing for mobile network slicing thr

fiberconnectmena.org

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

There is no great shame in lagging behind the US,

No other country in the world has surpassed the United States.

What China is doing now is trying to close the gap with the US.

The first thing you can do is GDP,

Maybe we don't have to wait 10 years.

America is great, China will be great.

But you are not. You are running patent mills. Just throwing money with no results. Your universities are not places of innovation. The US is ahead because their universities are fantastic places of innovation. State owned Chinese companies under CCP command have 0% chance of innovation - it is the mindset. Money and time won’t solve this problem. The CCP has to go. Innovation happens in a free, fair, collaboration mindset - all qualities the CCP heavily frowns upon. Therefore no chance of catching up with the west. I can bet that at some point India’s universities which are open and collaborative will surge ahead in innovation and will become another Israel.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Chinese battery makers strengthen grip on global supply Electric vehicle boom in Asia’s biggest economy helps CATL and BYD reach worldwide market share of 50% A battery pack fitted to a Volkswagen car. CATL, which supplies batteries to VW, is the world’s biggest producer, with a market share of 37.1% © Liesa Johannssen-Koppitz/Bloomberg Chinese battery makers strengthen grip on global supply on twitter (opens in a new window) Chinese battery makers strengthen grip on global supply on facebook (opens in a new window) Chinese battery makers strengthen grip on global supply on linkedin (opens in a new window) Save current progress 88% Harry Dempsey in London and Gloria Li in Hong Kong JANUARY 4 2023 38 Print this page Receive free Batteries updates We’ll send you a myFT Daily Digest email rounding up the latest Batteries news every morning. Chinese battery manufacturers have extended their dominance over global supply, with the top two producers reaching a combined market share of 50 per cent, and leaving South Korean and Japanese rivals lagging behind. CATL, supplier to carmakers including Tesla and Volkswagen, more than doubled battery sales to 165.7 gigawatt hours in the 11 months to the end of November, according to data from Korea’s SNE Research — enough for roughly 3.3mn average-sized electric vehicles. That extends the company’s lead as the world’s biggest producer and takes its market share to 37.1 per cent, up from 32.2 per cent in 2021. The SNE report also showed “frightening” growth at China’s second-largest cell producer and EV manufacturer BYD, whose battery sales almost tripled to 60GWh over the same period to give it a 13.6 per cent market share. The tightening grip of China’s battery manufacturers comes on the back of breakneck growth in the country’s domestic EV market despite challenges to the economy from the property sector slowdown and zero-Covid policies in force until last month. The China Passenger Car Association expects the country’s electric car sales growth to slow to 30 per cent this year as subsidies are withdrawn, after doubling to 6.4mn-6.5mn vehicles in 2022. Many analysts have predicted that CATL and BYD’s market share will drop as competition intensifies both domestically and overseas, but the moment is yet to arrive. Korea’s LG Energy Solution and Japan’s Panasonic recorded growth of less than 10 per cent in the first 11 months of 2022, the SNE data show, with BYD displacing LG as the world’s number two producer. Kevin Shang, an energy storage analyst at consultancy Wood Mackenzie, said CATL’s strengths in technology development, supply chain control, economies of scale and relationships with carmakers had given it the upper hand. “Innovation is a key weapon in the market,” he said. “In the short term, CATL will hold its dominating position with more effort but faces competition from South Korean companies and US clean energy policy in the longer run.” The SNE figures represent the battery capacity installed in electric cars that have been sold, meaning the ranking is influenced by model launches among carmakers with which they have supply relationships. Recommended Climate change The Climate Game — Can you reach net zero? A further factor for the Chinese groups’ growth has been the shortages and high prices of raw materials such as nickel and lithium that have encouraged adoption of cheaper Chinese batteries by European car companies such as Volkswagen and Volvo, SNE said. CATL has ridden out some of the pressures that battery manufacturers are facing from soaring raw material prices, with net profit almost trebling in the second and third quarters following an unexpected drop in the first. Even so, its share price has sunk 30 per cent over the course of the year as part of a broader rout among Chinese tech stocks, taking its market capitalisation to about $140bn. The deepening of CATL’s dominance in the industry comes as it pursues international expansion across Europe and North America. The company last month started producing cells from its German battery facility, its first outside China, which will be followed by a huge 100GWh plant in Hungary.

This has been already and answered, Chinese are doing lower quality, volume play in batteries. Given the high incident rates of battery fire, no government responsible with its people will approve Chinese battery technology. Countries where purchasing power is low may do that. For the rest, it is Japanese and S.Korean technology.
This is again like innovation. Infusing quality in manufacturing requires innovative thinking, collaboration, free and fair exchanges of ideas, etc which the SoEs in CCP land totally lack. China is a directive based economy. That is CCP says go get me billions of gdp in this area and everyone goes and does that. Innovation does not happen that way. Hence all the attempts to steal, the thousand talents program etc. Now that almost all countries are jailing Chinese thieves, that pipeline is getting closed. So whatever fake innovation was promoted by the CCP is coming to a full stop. LoL.
‘China will still do ok in mass manufacturing but innovation and optimal resource allocation, forget about it. Not happening under the CCP mullahs.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Who said so? please provide the source of "Huawei is dead in the international business " ???

Etisalat UAE & Huawei to launch 5G network slicing technology

Etisalat UAE, the telecom pillar of e&, formerly known as Etisalat Group, has revealed successful deployment and testing for mobile network slicing thr

fiberconnectmena.org

The link I provided says exactly that. The economist article quotes inside sources in Huawei as saying the “international business is dead”.

 

[ym888]

But you are not. You are running patent mills. Just throwing money with no results. Your universities are not places of innovation. The US is ahead because their universities are fantastic places of innovation. State owned Chinese companies under CCP command have 0% chance of innovation - it is the mindset. Money and time won’t solve this problem. The CCP has to go. Innovation happens in a free, fair, collaboration mindset - all qualities the CCP heavily frowns upon. Therefore no chance of catching up with the west. I can bet that at some point India’s universities which are open and collaborative will surge ahead in innovation and will become another Israel.

You have Huawei patents in your current smartphone. Whether it's an iPhone or Samsung or whatever.

You're actually paying Huawei for this.

USA is good but not representative of other western countries.

Most Western countries don't have the ability to navigate the Martian surface

 

[ym888]

The link I provided says exactly that. The economist article quotes inside sources in Huawei as saying the “international business is dead”.

That's "international" for Westerners.

 

[ym888]

Telecom Egypt With Huawei To Build First Green Tower Powered By Solar Energy In Egypt





https://solarquarter.com/2023/01/09...green-tower-powered-by-solar-energy-in-egypt/

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Telecom Egypt, Egypt’s first integrated operator of communication and information technology services, has announced that it has implemented the first eco-friendly integrated solution green tower for mobile networks by using a Fiber Reinforced Polymer tower (FRP) with wireless access in partnership with Huawei Technologies.

Telecom Egypt through this partnership will become the first operator to build this green tower in Egypt as well as Africa, will be a result of this partnership. This will replace the high-emission steel option, which produces high carbon dioxide emissions. The tower measures 18m tall and features camouflage fencing made from environmentally friendly materials. It is supported by integrated wireless access solutions as well as a green solar power system.
Adel Hamed, Telecom Egypt’s CEO and Managing Director, stated that this mobile site was unique in Egypt. He also highlighted the efforts of all involved in the project and their ability to implement the site efficiently and in a timely fashion, in accordance with international quality standards.
Also Read Madhya Pradesh To Establish Power & Renewable Energy Equipment Manufacturing Zone
He said that Telecom Egypt uses the most up-to-date versions of operating software to save energy. For example, the ability to turn off signal amplifiers at certain frequencies during low load hours. This reduces energy consumption by 24%.
Jim Liu, CEO of Huawei Egypt, said that the company had given great attention to the development of Information and Communication Technology infrastructure in Egypt. This is why they have partnered with Telecom Egypt, which is the leader in Egypt’s telecommunications market.
He said that Huawei is committed to using all of the innovative technologies available to save energy and create a sustainable future. This will certainly result in zero carbon emissions. Recent studies have shown FRP poles emit 43% less carbon dioxide than steel and cut E2E consumption by almost half for manufacturing and transportation.
He clarified that the process relies on the integration of solar energy with main electricity networks, with relative dependence upon green energy, namely solar, since the solar panels will produce about 2 kilowatts. This will result in a 20% reduction in carbon dioxide emissionss.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Telecom Egypt With Huawei To Build First Green Tower Powered By Solar Energy In Egypt





https://solarquarter.com/2023/01/09...green-tower-powered-by-solar-energy-in-egypt/

Reading Time: 2 minutes

Telecom Egypt, Egypt’s first integrated operator of communication and information technology services, has announced that it has implemented the first eco-friendly integrated solution green tower for mobile networks by using a Fiber Reinforced Polymer tower (FRP) with wireless access in partnership with Huawei Technologies.

Telecom Egypt through this partnership will become the first operator to build this green tower in Egypt as well as Africa, will be a result of this partnership. This will replace the high-emission steel option, which produces high carbon dioxide emissions. The tower measures 18m tall and features camouflage fencing made from environmentally friendly materials. It is supported by integrated wireless access solutions as well as a green solar power system.
Adel Hamed, Telecom Egypt’s CEO and Managing Director, stated that this mobile site was unique in Egypt. He also highlighted the efforts of all involved in the project and their ability to implement the site efficiently and in a timely fashion, in accordance with international quality standards.
Also Read Madhya Pradesh To Establish Power & Renewable Energy Equipment Manufacturing Zone
He said that Telecom Egypt uses the most up-to-date versions of operating software to save energy. For example, the ability to turn off signal amplifiers at certain frequencies during low load hours. This reduces energy consumption by 24%.
Jim Liu, CEO of Huawei Egypt, said that the company had given great attention to the development of Information and Communication Technology infrastructure in Egypt. This is why they have partnered with Telecom Egypt, which is the leader in Egypt’s telecommunications market.
He said that Huawei is committed to using all of the innovative technologies available to save energy and create a sustainable future. This will certainly result in zero carbon emissions. Recent studies have shown FRP poles emit 43% less carbon dioxide than steel and cut E2E consumption by almost half for manufacturing and transportation.
He clarified that the process relies on the integration of solar energy with main electricity networks, with relative dependence upon green energy, namely solar, since the solar panels will produce about 2 kilowatts. This will result in a 20% reduction in carbon dioxide emissionss.

I already said low purchasing power states with corrupt leadership will sign on with the CCP. Gulf is clearly going on anti west stance. This is a new development for sure. Saudi Arabia and UAE have pivoted. Again these are all dictators where royals come first. So, anything can happen. I am pretty sure the US is looking at ways to punish UAE. There is massive pressure. Let’s see.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

In any case these are all small markets and will hardly lead to much sales for Huawei. No company can bank on such small sales in international markets to claim they have an “international“ business.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

That's "international" for Westerners.

The inside source is an executive in Shenzhen Huawei.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

You have Huawei patents in your current smartphone. Whether it's an iPhone or Samsung or whatever.

You're actually paying Huawei for this.

USA is good but not representative of other western countries.

Most Western countries don't have the ability to navigate the Martian surface

What? Switzerland is the #1 in innovation. Israel is great as well. It is not just USA. The common thing is they all have world class university research which makes all the difference.
All of the AI in your phones is possible because of innovation from Canadian Universities.
Oxford/Cambridge University research + India R&D is what gave the world AstraZeneca, the #1 vacc against Wuhan virus. Meanwhile ccp vaccine turned out to be a dud. Why? Lack of fundamental research capabilities and closed, fear-based culture by CCP which does not lead to any innovation.
On security chips and devices, almost all of them have valuable Israeli patents, a reason Israel got very rich.
On Huawei patents, so what? there’s a bunch of Snapdragon patents in all phones belonging to Qualcomm India. There are still Nokia patents from the 90s in there. The question is not getting paid for patents. The question is how valuable the patent is and how much can you get for it. We all know that Huawei patents are not that valuable.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

At the end of the day, a country where humans are just resources and mined for labor and organs cannot foster innovation. Arm twisting companies to share technologies is also coming to and end like we saw in the Moderna case. Gone are the days when Siemens and Shinkansen were forced to share HSR technology for market access.

The reality is in the video below. This is what real CCPia is. China has no chance of competing with Israel in innovation, let alone USA.

 

[ym888]

What? Switzerland is the #1 in innovation. Israel is great as well.

You mean the list

11 china

13 japan

14 china hongkong

40 India

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Very interesting results you'll like

 

[ym888]

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

You mean the list

11 china

13 japan

14 china hongkong

40 India

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Very interesting results you'll like

No list or ranking garbage. But on the ground innovations by Switzerland in pharmaceuticals, precision tools, lenses, power equipment, railway engineering etc. ABB that powers most of the high voltage transmission in your country is Swiss. The technology that you use to tunnel or build highways etc is Austrian and German. the Scandinavian countries are the original innovators of cellular networks, operating systems. Nokia and Motorola hold the original patents to key cell phone and network technologies, and are making money all the time. Google acquired Motorola and Microsoft acquired Nokia, only for their patents portfolio. Japanese, Dutch and American patents in semiconductors are massively valuable. Almost all of the lifesaving biomedical patents are in the west, Israel or India. Now those are powerful patent portfolios. Huawe’s patents are low value.
Most of American companies value comes from their intellectual property. 70-80% of NASDAQ’s value comes from IP. China simply cannot compete in innovation under CCP, no matter the PR and shortcuts. CCP and innovation are like oil and water. They don’t mix.