Astra BVRAAM

[rone]

Sir.
Is it possible to track ground hugging cruise missile before entering indian border? By any means AWACS OR SU 30MKI OR Something else.

Is it possible to destroy that missile by our high flying or low flying fighter by using ASTRA?

ASTRA Cost effcetive+local made+can produce any number of missile.

Yes you can Sam system's such as s300 ,s400 hq9 sereiss have these capability they have tree top search radar which detect low flying elements, AWACS and su30ki scan cone won't be that low but ground based early waring radar network can detect them,once sub sonic cm detected it useless becoz it don't have maneuverability or decoy's it will just like a Target drone

 

[aarav]

Sir.
Is it possible to track ground hugging cruise missile before entering indian border? By any means AWACS OR SU 30MKI OR Something else.

Is it possible to destroy that missile by our high flying or low flying fighter by using ASTRA?

ASTRA Cost effcetive+local made+can produce any number of missile.

Off Topic But One of old DRDO slides about CMD and Akashdeep Aerostat System says AAD can intercept subsonic Cruise missiles like tomahawks

 

[Chinmoy]

Sir.
Is it possible to track ground hugging cruise missile before entering indian border? By any means AWACS OR SU 30MKI OR Something else.

Is it possible to destroy that missile by our high flying or low flying fighter by using ASTRA?

ASTRA Cost effcetive+local made+can produce any number of missile.

On detection and tracking, in theory it possible. In practical, next to impossible.

On taking it down, if you could detect and track it, you could destroy it.

 

[knathan]

Sir
S300 s400 radars may have some limitations to detect + track ground hugging cruise missile (line of sight+mountains) say atleast they can 20 to 30km.
Even AKASH radars do that, akash can hit that c.missile.
After detect n track AAD also do the kill.

But high flying AWACS or SU30mki may detect n track even more distance.

What will be the cost effective+efficient method. ?
Astra from fighter?
S300 or s400 missile from ground launcher?
AAD From ground launcher?
Akash from ground launcher?

Pls consider the kill distance should be maximum.

 

[rone]

Sir
S300 s400 radars may have some limitations to detect + track ground hugging cruise missile (line of sight+mountains) say atleast they can 20 to 30km.
Even AKASH radars do that, akash can hit that c.missile.
After detect n track AAD also do the kill.

But high flying AWACS or SU30mki may detect n track even more distance.

What will be the cost effective+efficient method. ?
Astra from fighter?
S300 or s400 missile from ground launcher?
AAD From ground launcher?
Akash from ground launcher?

Pls consider the kill distance should be maximum.

Mostly terrain hugging cm not a threat as u think if u have decent air defence it can shoot down becoz in entire fly path sub Sonic cm have speed lower than mach .9 so even in close range consider less than 20km detection and shoot down of these cm possible by a decent qrsam( spydar, or DRDO one) only issue if these missile's come after enemy dead / sead missions

 

[varun9509]

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[Aaj ka hero]

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Well he also said for fighter size planes the range is75km and for bigger planes it is 120km, what he meant by that?
Does it mean in agility and maneuverability scenario or in seeker lock range scenario?
If that is the case then the pakis prediction is already wrong.
Because for hit they must have came within the range of 70kms that mean within the range of 77km but we don't know the range of r-77 for fighter size aircraft?
It opens whole lot of points.

 

[Steven Rogers]

Well he also said for fighter size planes the range is75km and for bigger planes it is 120km, what he meant by that?
Does it mean in agility and maneuverability scenario or in seeker lock range scenario?
If that is the case then the pakis prediction is already wrong.
Because for hit they must have came within the range of 70kms that mean within the range of 77km but we don't know the range of r-77 for fighter size aircraft?
It opens whole lot of points.

R77 has bigger motor,so its burnout time should be higher than the AMRAAM,no one will fire even in the range of 70kms,the opponent plane would certainly change the course to evade and the missile will have no chance at those ranges unless the enemy is ignoring the rwr at continues heading towards the missile...

 

[Raj Malhotra]

But no Orders for Astra missile will ever be given. DRDO will be asked to improve it a little more, so that it can also be used for manned space mission to Mars.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

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[AmoghaVarsha]

Ramjet SFDR tested 5 times?

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[ezsasa]

True............................

Not necessarily, it depends on the contract signed and their past performance on previous contracts.

Barak8 was a co-development project. Orders were not given upfront, they were given in tranches and majority of the orders given in last 4 years.

 

[dude00720]

If something is cleared for production, does that not mean, orders? Does this need ccs approval now?

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[rone]

The first 50 short order where for validation and user trail along with primary Integartion A.D char study on different IAF platforms, the followed order by 200 No's cleared but signing contract or not no data available on it ,as from Def expo experience from bdl person's I think its already singed and first tranch on production with Russian seeker further orders will have Indian seekers ( after 200 No's) range against low speed or less maneuverable birds like AWAC , heli, UAv. Etc will be 90-110 for fighter type birds it will be 60-75

 

[abhay rajput]

I don't believe for a second that Astra is better missiles than Russian ones simply because Astra uses Russian seekers as of now and I believe there missiles are far better than us (read propellants). So how come Astra is better than r77 SD . Astra weight is less than Russian ones .. Maybe indigenous Astra is good replacement of r77 with similar capabilities but definitely not better.. Astra weight is 154 kg with 15 kg Warhead and r77sd weight 190kg with 22 kg warhead. You can do the math

 

[fire starter]

I don't believe for a second that Astra is better missiles than Russian ones simply because Astra uses Russian seekers as of now and I believe there missiles are far better than us (read propellants). So how come Astra is better than r77 SD . Astra weight is less than Russian ones .. Maybe indigenous Astra is good replacement of r77 with similar capabilities but definitely not better.. Astra weight is 154 kg with 15 kg Warhead and r77sd weight 190kg with 22 kg warhead. You can do the math

speed of r77- mach 4
astra- mach 4.5
indegeneous seeker is ready.
both are mature missiles with same electronics and capabilities so what did u expected more from astra Alien technology?

 

[abhay rajput]

speed of r77- mach 4
astra- mach 4.5
indegeneous seeker is ready.
both are mature missiles with same electronics and capabilities so what did u expected more from astra Alien technology?

No there were people saying here and there that Astra is better than r77 which is not the case . I even doubt that Astra can match r77sd variants. Although It's better than older r77.
And your analogy about speed is seriously flawed. Weight is the only consideration here and we all know Russia is still far ahead in propellants and motors then us.. And no indigenous seeker is not ready , it still need some time. 50 variants which have been ordered are equipped with Russian seeker

 

[sorcerer]

No there were people saying here and there that Astra is better than r77 which is not the case . I even doubt that Astra can match r77sd variants. Although It's better than older r77.
And your analogy about speed is seriously flawed. Weight is the only consideration here and we all know Russia is still far ahead in propellants and motors then us.. And no indigenous seeker is not ready , it still need some time. 50 variants which have been ordered are equipped with Russian seeker

errrmm

IAF already has placed orders 50 units of Astra BVR-AAM to be used for testing, trials, and integration into other fighter aircraft in near future and to also to niggle out production issues at early stages. Astra which was equipped with Russian supplied 9B-1103M Agat active radar seeker borrowed from RVV-AE (R-77) was later replaced by Indian made active radar seeker but according to reports coming in due to production constraints order for 200 Astra BVR-AAMs will be split between Agat and Indian Seeker and IAF is ok with the arrangement since both seekers have been tested successfully onboard Astra in last few years and both have performed exceptionally well in trials.

idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website https://idrw.org/200-astra-mk1-order-soon-with-two-different-seekers/ .

 

[Anathema]

I don't believe for a second that Astra is better missiles than Russian ones simply because Astra uses Russian seekers as of now and I believe there missiles are far better than us (read propellants). So how come Astra is better than r77 SD . Astra weight is less than Russian ones .. Maybe indigenous Astra is good replacement of r77 with similar capabilities but definitely not better.. Astra weight is 154 kg with 15 kg Warhead and r77sd weight 190kg with 22 kg warhead. You can do the math

You have outdated information.

Fundamentally what makes Astra better.

1. Indian seeker - IAF is extremely happy about it
2. Two way data link - not mid course updates but 2 way data link

If you read between lines , IAF has a winner and Astra is doing more than its advertised.

 

[Kchontha]

Astra is an import substitute.........sfdr will also be another.