Astra BVRAAM

[Tuco]

I am waiting for dual pulse Astra. Are there any dual pulse BVR's in international market.

 

[abhay rajput]

You have outdated information.

Fundamentally what makes Astra better.

1. Indian seeker - IAF is extremely happy about it
2. Two way data link - not mid course updates but 2 way data link

If you read between lines , IAF has a winner and Astra is doing more than its advertised.

No offence bro but you suffer from false perspective...Astra is good replacement for older r77 but not r77sd. As far as seeker is concerned there is still some more time needed that's why 50 pre induction variants uses agat seeker and same with next 200 order half of them will still use Russian seeker.
Regards two way data link - meteor with Rafale also don't have two way data link , is it means Astra is more advance than meteor in terms of avionics..? Its a good quality nonetheless but saying this will have by effect on range is absurd.. again I am saying weight is more important for range . next variants of Astra will significantly boost its range

 

[fire starter]

No offence bro but you suffer from false perspective...Astra is good replacement for older r77 but not r77sd. As far as seeker is concerned there is still some more time needed that's why 50 pre induction variants uses agat seeker and same with next 200 order half of them will still use Russian seeker.
Regards two way data link - meteor with Rafale also don't have two way data link , is it means Astra is more advance than meteor in terms of avionics..? Its a good quality nonetheless but saying this will have by effect on range is absurd.. again I am saying weight is more important for range . next variants of Astra will significantly boost its range

Astra is having two way data link.

 

[fire starter]

No offence bro but you suffer from false perspective...Astra is good replacement for older r77 but not r77sd. As far as seeker is concerned there is still some more time needed that's why 50 pre induction variants uses agat seeker and same with next 200 order half of them will still use Russian seeker.
Regards two way data link - meteor with Rafale also don't have two way data link , is it means Astra is more advance than meteor in terms of avionics..? Its a good quality nonetheless but saying this will have by effect on range is absurd.. again I am saying weight is more important for range . next variants of Astra will significantly boost its range

u r suffering from inferiority complex even after presenting u facts u r refusing to believe.

 

[abhay rajput]

u r suffering from inferiority complex even after presenting u facts u r refusing to believe.

Which facts ..? You haven't stated any fact. I give you detailed reason why Astra range is not enough based on its weight. PS I have no inferiority complex but I do know something's about army and airforce

 

[fire starter]

Which facts ..? You haven't stated any fact. I give you detailed reason why Astra range is not enough based on its weight. PS I have no inferiority complex but I do know something's about army and airforce

watch this video I already replied to u that it is perfect replacement of r77.

 

[abhay rajput]

watch this video I already replied to u that it is perfect replacement of r77.

Bro r77 have two variants.. there is older r77 and newer r77sd. Astra is better than older ones. Not the one we got recently. Astra mk1 will use dual pulse motor and will be better than any missiles in iaf except meteor.. Astra is good but why do you keep forgetting that it's our first AAM and it's not the best because if it was than IAF would have simply bought Astra rather than 700million dollars AAM from Russia in 2019. Okay don't fool yourself into thinking that we have achieved complete reliance on AAM in our first attempt.. Astra compliments r77sd.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

IAF is finding way & means to kill Astra.

ASTRA-1, No bulk production orders to get longer range Astra-2

Astra-2, longer ranged solid fueled, cancelled in favour of Ramjet

Astra Ramjet SFDR, 5 successful tests but ZERO Orders

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Foreign lobbies

Russian with R77 variant
Derby ER
Mica ER
Meteor getting desperate, unable to maintain long term facade that its sale must be tied only to Rafale. Though Retired IAF Chief working hard, selling his izzat for imports.

 

[Steven Rogers]

IAF is finding way & means to kill Astra.

ASTRA-1, No bulk production orders to get longer range Astra-2

Astra-2, longer ranged solid fueled, cancelled in favour of Ramjet

Astra Ramjet SFDR, 5 successful tests but ZERO Orders

SFDR has been tested twice,and the propulsion was tested not the missile .....no missile on SFDR will come anytime soon.

 

[Steven Rogers]

No offence bro but you suffer from false perspective...Astra is good replacement for older r77 but not r77sd. As far as seeker is concerned there is still some more time needed that's why 50 pre induction variants uses agat seeker and same with next 200 order half of them will still use Russian seeker.
Regards two way data link - meteor with Rafale also don't have two way data link , is it means Astra is more advance than meteor in terms of avionics..? Its a good quality nonetheless but saying this will have by effect on range is absurd.. again I am saying weight is more important for range . next variants of Astra will significantly boost its range

Meteor on Rafale has two way datalink...

 

[abhay rajput]

Meteor on Rafale has two way datalink...

No it hasn't because Rafale don't

 

[abhay rajput]

IAF is finding way & means to kill Astra.

ASTRA-1, No bulk production orders to get longer range Astra-2

Astra-2, longer ranged solid fueled, cancelled in favour of Ramjet

Astra Ramjet SFDR, 5 successful tests but ZERO Orders

I don't know where you get the number but I need to check it .. but sfdr has only be tested from ground launchers

 

[Bleh]

Regards two way data link - meteor with Rafale also don't have two way data link , is it means Astra is more advance than meteor in terms of avionics..?

It most definitely means that is one ground where Astra is superior to Meteor and holds an advantage.

Astra is better than older ones. Not the one we got recently.

...And you say that based on what inside information om both their performance data?

 

[abhay rajput]

It most definitely means that is one ground where Astra is superior to Meteor and holds an advantage.
...And you say that based on what inside information om both their performance data?

No bro meteor has two way data links capability but it is Rafale who doesn't.
My two brother works in IAF and army.. basically my whole family is in military except navy but I had flatfoot .. he never told me what he do in IAF although but he did came to see us in Delhi after riots and I asked him a lot of questions , and his exact words about Astra were -" Astra is very good replacement for older r77".

 

[Steven Rogers]

No bro meteor has two way data links capability but it is Rafale who doesn't.
My two brother works in IAF and army.. basically my whole family is in military except navy but I had flatfoot .. he never told me what he do in IAF although but he did came to see us in Delhi after riots and I asked him a lot of questions , and his exact words about Astra were -" Astra is very good replacement for older r77".

It will come on Rafale 4.......thanks for that point....

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Astra Mk1 matches AIM-120C-5 in range and performance: IAF Chief

On the first anniversary of the Balakot airstrikes, on Wednesday, Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria speaking to NDTV confirmed that the indigenously developed Astra Mk1 beyond visual range air to air missile (BVRAAM) which has been cleared for production matches in range and performance when compared to the AIM-120C-5 BVRAAMs of the PAF. Astra has a range of 110km against bigger targets in the head of chase and has a range of 75 against maneuverable targets like fighter jets which makes it fall in the same category as AIM-120C-5 BVRAAMs acquired by PAF for its F-16 fleet. Bhadauria also confirmed that the Astra integration priority has been given to the entire Su-30MKI fleet after successful demonstration of the missile in real-world configuration against all possible scenarios including the day after Balakot airstrikes as per sources close to idrw.org. Su-30MKI which were armed with R-77 BVRAAMs didn’t get firing confirmation due to being out of range of the missile system which allowed PAF F-16s advantage to fire 4-5 AMRAAMs at lone Su-30 fighter jet which survived AAMs after carrying out aggressive maneuvers. AIM-120C-5 has a range of 105km against Larger targets and has an effective range of 60km against fighter jets and a no escape kill zone of 15-20km this is where Mig-21Bis was shot down when it crossed LOC in Hot Pursuit.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

R-771 which is the best BVRM of Russia is having range of 110 KM R-77M is under development.

Astra can compete with any missile which is having range of 110 KM. And anyways it's quite nice to have two totally different bvrm missiles armed on a jet because it will make electronic warfare even more difficult for them.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but i guess india bought the R-77 (80)km variant which is totally inferior to Astra Mk1 and for R-73 we don't have any indigenous alternative.

These include air-to-air missiles with an extended range as well air-to-surface missiles, ThePrint has learnt.

Highly placed sources said close to 300 short-range air-to-air missiles, the R-73, and 400 medium-range air-to-air guided missiles, the RVV-AE, also known as the R-77, have been ordered.

 

[Bleh]

" Astra is very good replacement for older r77".

Oh ok. Unless he works directly under the Astra testing team, he doesn't know much concrete inside info.

If Astra is officially declared to be of similar capability as AIM-120-C5, it can match R-77M in range. Performance parameters may vary within the envelope, with that better in some respects and Astra better in some, but no way in hell it is not comparable.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but i guess india bought the R-77 (80)km variant which is totally inferior to Astra Mk1 and for R-73 we don't have any indigenous alternative.

No you are right. India is working on ASRAAM, but nothing presently.

Also only Derby is the advance one comparable to vintage R-27 right now, with only Tejas having access to it.