Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[Shaitan]

^^^

Why don't you guys stop making attacks on other people's nations...

 

[Damian]

Thanks for the examples yaar.

I have few more pics and schematics of different armor types, mostly from Russian and Ukrainian sources.

lol... I doubt if poland even has an army...

Yes we have an Army that is participating in Afghanistan War, our units were also send to Iraq, former Yugoslavia and other places over the world.

Situation with our armed forces is not perfect but our soldiers, industry and some decision makers are working on making our armed forces better.

And I was called troll...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I thought they are only redesigning the bore and not the entire gun?

That what read somewhere cant find the source now..

 

[Damian]

ouch sorry ..... u r quite informed .... about UK but not India ...

?? What have UK and India to subject of this thread?

Besides of course that both countries are tank developers.

besides... kanchan has been inducted in Arjun MBT

And?

heres a video for arjun...

Cool... and?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Knife ERA can be mounted on any tank, like any other ERA type, so it can be also mounted on Arjun.

IRCC there were some rumors that Poland is interested in Knife ERA for UCP Anders, as well as in Zaslon APS.

Agree. You can make such topic.

Their is no talk on that, As far we know DRDO era going for Arjun but if we get Russian or Ukrainian you are welcome to post..

 

[Damian]

Their is no talk on that, As far we know DRDO era going for Arjun but if we get Russian or Ukrainian you are welcome to post..

On what design will be based DRDO ERA? Based on 4S22 Kontakt-5?

 

[p2prada]

Damian dont feed the trolls. As a really great man once said - Empty vessels make more noise.

Damn this thread has moved a lot. I am still reading previous pages and am nowhere near to completion. Phones aren't particularly good for this.

There were rumours the drdo era will be based on K-5 or that Arjun will use K-5 initially. Not sure how far it's true.

 

[agentperry]

no doubt Indian drdo bought many stuff from poland russia and israel to make indigenous weapon platform... but they were not integrated as such... all of the stuff from poland and russia is of 1980s and 1990s R&D effort and thus are already 2 decade old... so they were worked upon by drdo to replace older and critical tech and parts and enhance few good things left in it... moreover structural designs and basic efforts which were to be made by drdo were skipped....
dont feel bad damian... but decaying former stud country's are best to get tech---cheaply and easily.... in case of israel both India and israel are cooperating or raping i cant say with precision.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

On what design will be based DRDO ERA? Based on 4S22 Kontakt-5?

One thing we know it will be DRDO ERA that is in use over Indian T-72M1

"The ERA will protect the Arjun's crews from enemy missiles. Initially we will fit the same Russian ERA that protects the T-90 and the T-72. But we will also develop our own indigenous ERA."

Other is DRDO is in process of making a Heacy ERA or already fielding it..
Broadsword: Army to order more Arjun tanks

Ammo:
Besides that their is a strong signal that we may see HEAT rounds for Arjun based on CL-20 Explosive..
Also New APDSF rounds which may be based on latest IMI 120mm Round like M338.

 

[Damian]

no doubt Indian drdo bought many stuff from poland russia and israel to make indigenous weapon platform... but they were not integrated as such... all of the stuff from poland and russia is of 1980s and 1990s R&D effort and thus are already 2 decade old... so they were worked upon by drdo to replace older and critical tech and parts and enhance few good things left in it... moreover structural designs and basic efforts which were to be made by drdo were skipped....
dont feel bad damian... but decaying former stud country's are best to get tech---cheaply and easily.... in case of israel both India and israel are cooperating or raping i cant say with precision.

Strange that Indian goverment is not highly interested in our newest weapon systems, like Loara SPAAG or modernised Krab SPH that was just recently tested and now first several ones are under production (3 are now ready to be fielded, one was show on MSPO this year).

Of course we don't have some spectacular weapon systems developments but many smaller, still very important, like infantry weapons (MSBS-5,56) or parts for vehicles like new thermal sights for MBT's and other AFV's.

There were rumours the drdo era will be based on K-5 or that Arjun will use K-5 initially. Not sure how far it's true.

One thing we know it will be DRDO ERA that is in use over Indian T-72M1

Other is DRDO is in process of making a Heacy ERA or already fielding it..

On the one hand going for Heavy ERA is obvious thing, but ERA on pic provided by Kunal looks more like 4S20 Kontakt-1 derivative.

Ammo:
Besides that their is a strong signal that we may see HEAT rounds for Arjun based on CL-20 Explosive..
Also New APDSF rounds which may be based on latest IMI 120mm Round like M338.

Interesting that they want HEAT ammunition, rather problematic design in case of rifled gun (HEAT don't like rifling and spin).

As for M338, yeah, this penetrator should increase penetration levels, question is if this type of penetrator is designed to defeat composite armor backed up by heavy ERA.

Main enemy of India is Pakistan right? Pakistan most modern and best protected tanks are T-80UD's with 4S22 Kontakt-5... sobetter choice would be DM53/DM63 or M829A2/M829A3 (but these are not exported).

 

[p2prada]

Damian we are planning on inducting a Polish tank soon.

30 tons with a 120mm gun. 100 wheeled and 200 tracked. It is meant for replacing tanks in the Himalayan region.

 

[A.V.]

Kalki you are banned from this thread any more offence you are banned from forum too.

A red card offence for you ,

INFARCTION for KALKI

 

[Damian]

Damian we are planning on inducting a Polish tank soon.

30 tons with a 120mm gun. 100 wheeled and 200 tracked. It is meant for replacing tanks in the Himalayan region.

It is not light tank, but UCP, well actually if India would buy our UCP Anders in great numbers You can have modern light tanks, IFV's, APC's, SPAAG's, SPH's etc. etc. etc. on one common hull.

I think that licence production in India is more than probabale.

As for wheeled vehicles, India can buy our combat proven KTO Rosomak, just on this year MSPO they shown version armed with 105mm gun and 120mm automatic mortar (both can be mounted on different vehicles, for example automatic mortar can be mounted on MT-LB hull).

So I must say that my country have many things to offer for India, and in the end this things can be made in India. Also because Poland is rather small country I don't think that licence agreements can't be good ones for India in terms of modifications made by Indian designers at later stages of production.

We can also offer several dynamic protection types for different vehicles in form of light ERA ERAWA-1, advanced light ERA ERAWA-2 and ceramic ERA CERAWA, we also can provide Indian T-72M1 tanks with new armor inserts codenamed CAWA.

I don't think that there would be problems with licence production in India with these components.


BTW several questions.

1) India wants to go with 120mm smoothbore guns in future right?
2) India wants light tanks armed with such gun right?
3) It is desired by Indian army to improve logistic chain right?

So why not buy production licence for RUAG CTG L50 gun?

India is interested in our UCP Anders in FSV/LT version that is armed with this gun, so rearming Arjun with CTG L50 would be good idea for improving logistics. Besides this RUAG CTG L50 gun is compatibile with all NATO 120mm ammuntions for smoothbore guns.

So why not buy full licence for it with Indian modifications agreement?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Strange that Indian goverment is not highly interested in our newest weapon systems, like Loara SPAAG or modernised Krab SPH that was just recently tested and now first several ones are under production (3 are now ready to be fielded, one was show on MSPO this year).

Of course we don't have some spectacular weapon systems developments but many smaller, still very important, like infantry weapons (MSBS-5,56) or parts for vehicles like new thermal sights for MBT's and other AFV's.

The reason is we upgrade all our AD from Poland, We upgrade our tanks from Poland, Alot of things are coming from polish firm..
Thats why we are not looking at such developments, But Tunguska dont have a good reputation here, Loara would have been better with some modifications for us, We are also looking at 155mm SPGH and DRDO can input lots of other things in KRAB, Its a Bureaucratic decision..

On the one hand going for Heavy ERA is obvious thing, but ERA on pic provided by Kunal looks more like 4S20 Kontakt-1 derivative.
Interesting that they want HEAT ammunition, rather problematic design in case of rifled gun (HEAT don't like rifling and spin).
As for M338, yeah, this penetrator should increase penetration levels, question is if this type of penetrator is designed to defeat composite armor backed up by heavy ERA.

That ERA is based on RDX, It minimized Milan HEAT warhead by 70%, HEAT round and new AP rounds many fired from Rifled or Smooth-bore, Their is no conformation yet..

Regarding breaching Heavy ERA, I dont have info on that subject, Its a Concern its solutions are not disclosed by Army or DRDO, For now LAHAT top attack on such target suits the condition..

 

[black eagle]

Any pic of Arjun Mk2 anyone?????

 

[Damian]

That ERA is based on RDX,

All ERA are based on RDX explosive, or allmost all.

It minimized Milan HEAT warhead by 70%,

It was tandem warhead version of Milan?

ERAWA-2 is capabale to significantly decrease performance of tandem HEAT warheads, it was tested against German PzF-3T with tandem warhead, Germans were surprised how well ERAWA-2 performed.

 

[sayareakd]

@Damian which is perfect tank in your mind ??? present day.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

We can also offer several dynamic protection types for different vehicles in form of light ERA ERAWA-1, advanced light ERA ERAWA-2 and ceramic ERA CERAWA, we also can provide Indian T-72M1 tanks with new armor inserts codenamed CAWA.

BTW several questions.

1) India wants to go with 120mm smoothbore guns in future right?
2) India wants light tanks armed with such gun right?
3) It is desired by Indian army to improve logistic chain right?

So why not buy production licence for RUAG CTG L50 gun?

India is interested in our UCP Anders in FSV/LT version that is armed with this gun, so rearming Arjun with CTG L50 would be good idea for improving logistics. Besides this RUAG CTG L50 gun is compatibile with all NATO 120mm ammuntions for smoothbore guns.

So why not buy full licence for it with Indian modifications agreement?

T-72M1 are update in Poland, ERA suit was provided from Polish firm..

1.Its upto Army decision, for most its a obvious thing that Smooth-bore is better..
2.Gun should able to put shells at 3000meters wheeled or Chassis, 120mm is the hint..
3.Logestics in sence of Ammo, Spares elctronics, etc....

Getting Logistic straight will only happen when we have Arjun, FMBT together with no T-tanks, Also their is a FICV race is one, My assumption is which ever private firm would won its vehicle would be used for MGS and ICV/IFV purpose..

Now on MGS part, It will be decided when we will have the winner in country, Probably if Anders see active duty in IA, We may use the same gun..

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Any pic of Arjun Mk2 anyone?????

As i have learnt there is no Arjun Mk-2 yet, there is only an Mk-1 plat form where all Mk-2 kits are under trail. There would be no changes to the exterior of the tank, i dont think any ERA or NERA has been added yet.

We wont see the picture of an actually proto type till 2013, so hold your horses.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It was tandem warhead version of Milan?

ERAWA-2 is capabale to significantly decrease performance of tandem HEAT warheads

Milan-II which active in IA..
Its not a tandam, But as a basic era it decrease it by 70%..

ERAWA-2 based on RDX ? Btw it decrease Tandam war head by what percentage ( Approx ) ?

Any pic of Arjun Mk2 anyone?????

Not yet..