Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[ersakthivel]

 

[ersakthivel]

Also if you magnify the small rectangular opening for light at the top left corner of the second row pics, you can clearly see the small side of the rectangular light opening is sloped.

If the rectangular opening for light is on the roof as you claim it's small side should be horizontal, not vertical or sloped,

It is sloped , that only means it is on the bottom of the sloped wall on which the orange FCS box is bolted.So it looks like the same arrangement of LEO-2 turret as the roof vision block being situated at the middle of the armor block behind the main sight.

So the light from the turret top vision block at the top of ARJUN seeps through a passage cut in the middle of the armor block behind the main sight exactly in the same fashion as LEO-2 turret is my contention.

the LEO-2 turret below seen as having the same arrangement.it could have been add on feature on ARJUN mk-1 or original design feature like LEO-2 turret, that cannot be verified by now.

further from the picture posted by militarista below,

we can see a smooth white wall finish behind the orange FCS box. The blue optic is mounted vertically on the right side of this white wall (which I suspect is armor block behind main sight for ARJUN).

the roof of ARJUN turret looks dark covered in dark shadows well behind the blue optic. So the blue optic is not mounted on the roof of the turret, but on the side wall of the armor block is also my contention.

Also above the reserve gunner sight we can clearly see the armored wall behind the binocular like eyepiece sloping .

Why,
just look near the shadow of the yellow or orange FCS box (left side of the yellow or orange )on the white armor wall behind, you can clearly see the sharp edge of the armor wall sloping in.

 

[Dejawolf]

Next evidence when is endinf back place after main sight - line marked from edge of the gunner seat.


The armour block after main sight window is not thicker then merked on light blue area.

yes.. this is so painfully obvious.

 

[ersakthivel]

yes.. this is so painfully obvious.

this measurement was provided by STGN. So what is the turret width at the crew hatch center?

 

[Dejawolf]

this measurement was provided by STGN. So what is the turret width at the crew hatch center?

and what, exactly, does the width of the turret have to do with the armour thickness of the front of the turret?

 

[ersakthivel]

and what, exactly, does the width of the turret have to do with the armour thickness of the front of the turret?

For a long long time you were posting some dimensionless 3D model and

arguing that since arjun's turret width is below 3000 mm,

it cannot have any side turret protection .

And if you want any clarification on frontal turret armor arrangement behind main sight you can argue against the point posted in post no-4980 and 4982

 

[Dejawolf]

For a long long time you were posting some dimensionless 3D model and

arguing that since arjun's turret width is below 3000 mm,

it cannot have any side turret protection .

And if you want any clarification on frontal turret armor arrangement behind main sight you can argue against the point posted in post no-4980 and 4982

that's besides the point. what exactly, does the side turret protection have to do with the front turret thickness?
there was a decent constructive debate here for a few pages until you came along and started muddying the waters again with your completely random trollish drivel.

 

[ersakthivel]

that's besides the point. what exactly, does the side turret protection have to do with the front turret thickness?
there was a decent constructive debate here for a few pages until you came along and started muddying the waters again with your completely random trollish drivel.

I posted it to prove that you were maintaining that turret of ARJUN measures around 2900 mm for 100s of pages with your 3D models.

And if you want any clarification on frontal turret armor arrangement behind main sight you can argue against the point posted in post no-4980 and 4982

 

[ersakthivel]

 

[ersakthivel]

 

[ersakthivel]

 

[ersakthivel]

There is a gap of close to 300mm between the gunner's main sight and gun mantle plate in ARJUN.

But in this model this space is not there.

What has been depicted as ARJUN turret with 2875 mm width in the following drawing is actually an enlarged LEO turret,

the turret width too is wrong.It is close to 3100 mm as well.

 

[Dejawolf]

I posted it to prove that you were maintaining that turret of ARJUN measures around 2900 mm for 100s of pages with your 3D models.

And if you want any clarification on frontal turret armor arrangement behind main sight you can argue against the point posted in post no-4980 and 4982

and i still do. but this is still completely besides the point. what has any of this to do with the front turret armour of the arjun? stick to the subject.

 

[Dejawolf]

anyone got any information on the MAG TK-715 coax for the arjun?
is it a license produced FN MAG?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

If you cannot answer then don't call other troll...

Width as per that photo is 3.1 meters ( Mine was 3.2 approx ) now the tool boxes are not bulge out, Since so ..

ersakthivel, statement about turret width was right.. ( Not talking sides )

that's besides the point. what exactly, does the side turret protection have to do with the front turret thickness?
there was a decent constructive debate here for a few pages until you came along and started muddying the waters again with your completely random trollish drivel.

 

[Dejawolf]

There is a gap of close to 300mm between the gunner's main sight and gun mantle plate in ARJUN.

But in this model this space is not there.

wrong, the gap is there, and it's about 400mm on my model.

What has been depicted as ARJUN turret with 2875 mm width in the following drawing is actually an enlarged LEO turret,

the turret width too is wrong.It is close to 3100 mm as well.

 

[Dejawolf]

updated my model, mostly in mantlet area:

 

[Damian]

Hmmm, some day Arjun Mk1 might finds it's way to SB Pro PE.

 

[ersakthivel]

and i still do. but this is still completely besides the point. what has any of this to do with the front turret armour of the arjun? stick to the subject.

can you explain the curvature on the inner turret wall of ARJUN near the crew seat?

What occupies the space covered by curvature? certainly not storage box.Because storage boxes are well outside of the curvature,

First of all do you understand the implication of the curvature? What could have been the implication behind it?

where is this curvature in the in the inner side turret wall in your corrected or not corrected model?

Fit it you will see how in accurate your 3 d model is,

Another point is there should be a gap of one human head width between the gun mantlet pivot holder and the start of the main sight covered by turret frontal armor. Still in your corrected models this distance is not even half of what it actually is

Also look at the solid rectangular block just in front of the Tc's head in pictures below.

This solid rectangular block is shown in enlarged size in the bottom picture,

Where is it in your updated 3d model?

If you have any doubt look at the bottom picture.

there must be a 300 mm lateral distance at the placed marked as A in the ARJUN turret interior picture,

But there is not even 50 mm gap in your models.

You are still placing the slanted orange gunners box in line with the gun manlet cutaway's wall.

So your model is still that of LEO-2

If you want to represent ARJUN in your 3D model, move that orange box 300 mm to the right.

And that is where the back of the main sight starts.

There should

 

[ersakthivel]

Another point is there should be a gap of one human head width between the gun mantlet pivot holder and the start of the main sight covered by turret frontal armor. Still in your corrected models this distance is not even half of what it actually is

there must be a 300 mm lateral distance at the placed marked as A in the ARJUN turret interior picture,

But there is not even 50 mm gap in your models.

The left ear and the holder for gun mantlet plate pivot are almost in line in your 3D model, which is completely distorted idea about turret interior. there should be a gap of atleast 300 mm between the left ear of the gunner and the pivot holder for gun mantlet plate.

The distance between the back side of the yellow FCS box and back side of the main sight must be close to 700 mm as we both accepted based on head width averages earlier. But this distance is also not there in your 3d model.

So it is clear you are still using the LEO-2 lower width turret model variation as ARJUN turret interior. with just a change in few dimensions and drawing many wrong conclusions..

You are still placing the slanted orange gunners box in line with the gun manlet cutaway's wall.

So your model is still that of LEO-2

If you want to represent ARJUN in your 3D model, move that orange box 300 mm to the right.

And that is where the back of the main sight starts.

The height of the driver's head is also horribly wrong. It should be in a place at least 300 mm below the point where it is in your 3d model.

The distance between the driver's head top and the inner turret roof of ARJUN is at least a minimum of 500 mm in my estimate.But in your model this distance is shown to be equal to the distance above the tc' s head , which is basically wrong.

So both the horizantal and vertical position of gunner's head is completely off the mark in you picture by a large margin of more than 300 mm in both directions.

So what you are claiming to be a ARJUN 3d model is actually still that of an enlarged LE-2 3d model with LEO-2 inside turret arrangement, nothing to do with the ARJUN interior turret arrangement.

Your 3d model neither has the inner curvature of the turret sidewall ,

nor the 300 mm horizontal distance between the gun mantlet pivot and the main sight edge covered by frontal turret armor,

both the vertical and horizantal position of orange gunner's box is wrong as well.

Another crucial mistake is the position of the gunner's seat and head.

You neither have any idea about the ARJUN turret width at the axis joining the crew hatch centers, which in reality is more than 3100 mm, but your turret model shows it as 2875 mm straight rectangular soap box type.

So how come you arrive at frontal turret weakness of ARJUN based on such an erroneous model?