Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[Kunal Biswas]

450km is way to much for any insertion As per Indian need Arjun MK-1/2 is just fine doing that..

No issues there..

 

[t_co]

450km is way to much for any insertion As per Indian need Arjun MK-1/2 is just fine doing that..

No issues there..

Actually, not really. The 450km is not just all "full speed ahead" movement, but also includes the feints, lateral maneuvers, and zig-zagging that any decent tank commander would likely perform. The actual forward range will then be smaller.

 

[t_co]

Test are going on for Arjun MK2 therefore you cant say that it has operational range until it clear trial first by DRDO and then by Army. Same standards are not applicable to T90MS.

If you want to discuss cold start please do so in different thread.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Read my post again, you will get the point..

Actually, not really. The 450km is not just all "full speed ahead" movement,

 

[sasi]

The Arjun Mark II battle tank, developed by the CVRDE, is currently undergoing technicaland user trials in Rajasthan. The major upgrades in Arjun Mark II include the panoramic sight with night vision to attack targets at night, missile-firing capability against long-range targets, an anti-aircraft gun to shoot down helicopters, penetrative ammunition, sensors to detect lasers fired by an enemy tankand a plough to weed out mines. It will take a few more months before all the user trials are completed. Sundaresh said, "We have done some upgrades to the panoramic sight of Arjun Mark II. We have done ammunition trials. We have ammunition with higher penetration and other types of ammunition. Wewill fire them and we will give them to the user to fire them. Arjun Mark II will have a remote-controlled anti-aircraftgun. It has been integrated with the tank and has been evaluated by the user. In firepower, it is as good as any other tank in the world."
On the Mark II being heavier than the Mark I, Sundaresh said: "While Arjun Mark I weighs 62 tonnes, Arjun Mark II weighs 67 tonnes. There is a difference of only five tonnes. Compared with Arjun Mark II, tanks of similar class such as Leopard 2, Merkava and M1 Abrams weigh between65 tonnes and 70 tonnes. Owing to terrain conditions, the Army said Arjun Mark II cannot be deployed in all parts of the border."
P. Sivakumar, Director, CVRDE,asserted that the mobility characteristics of Arjun Mark II, such as acceleration, gradient climbing, cross-country ride and braking wereexcellent.
Sundaresh said the DRDO was developing the Mark II versionof Pinaka, the multi-barrel rocket launcher that fires the Pinaka rockets. While the rocket Pinaka-I has a 10 km to 38 km range, Pinaka-II will have a range of 60 km. It will go for user-trials by the end of next year.
A kit with instruments for detecting explosives, developed by the High EnergyMaterials Research Laboratory(HEMRL), Pune, has gone into commercial production and is being distributed to different paramilitary forces. A United States company had paid DRDO$1,00,000 for the transfer of technology to market it in the U.S., said Sundaresh.
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[JBH22]

Sundaresh said: "While Arjun Mark I weighs 62 tonnes, Arjun Mark II weighs 67 tonnes. There is a difference of only five tonnes. Compared with Arjun Mark II, tanks of similar class such as Leopard 2, Merkava and M1 Abrams weigh between65 tonnes and 70 tonnes. Owing to terrain conditions, the Army said Arjun Mark II cannot be deployed in all parts of the border."

It again brings the point can we afford to have a two-tier tank force?

This add burden to logistics think about it 120mm shells for the rifle gun,add to that Lahat missile and lots of components do not match with the T-series tanks we have, is it wise to spend money on T-72,T-90 and Arjun.

 

[sayareakd]

It again brings the point can we afford to have a two-tier tank force?

This add burden to logistics think about it 120mm shells for the rifle gun,add to that Lahat missile and lots of components do not match with the T-series tanks we have, is it wise to spend money on T-72,T-90 and Arjun.

yeah give Arjun tanks to BSF. IA dont want to so be it.

 

[JBH22]

yeah give Arjun tanks to BSF. IA dont want to so be it.

BSF is a paramilitary force.

Even if Arjun is good tank I think its too late now,how can we afford a so many tanks in an army.

This will only create more logistics headache for the planners,I've been through this thread and not a single point to make on this logistic aspect.

 

[tharikiran]

Dear Chinese friends, 450 kms or 300kms is more than enough to take care of Pakistan. So beat it.Have some common sense before talking about Arjun range.
It will reach it's operational area ie. western border through train.I don't know why one whole page was discussed regarding it's range.Indian army is no expeditionary force for it to maintain long line of logistics.What should have been discussed was width of Pakistan.You guys are hilarious.

 

[sayareakd]

BSF is a paramilitary force.

Even if Arjun is good tank I think its too late now,how can we afford a so many tanks in an army.

This will only create more logistics headache for the planners,I've been through this thread and not a single point to make on this logistic aspect.

check the bold part.

 

[Tolaha]

I'm no expert in this and asking as I'm unaware. Are there any records in actual war conditions where tanks had to traverse 400-500 kms, at one go, on their own internal fuel?

Also, irrespective of Pakistan's width, what would be the purpose for a tank attack from Indian side that would require its tank to travel for more than 400 kms back and forth?

 

[Damian]

Actually the provided vehicle range is so called cruise range, the maximal range the vehicle can go on single refueling. However it does not mean vehicles are doing this. The command needs to keep in mind that vehicles are manouvering in combat or are travel longer distances. So there is a need to estabilish refueling and rearming points through the whole root.

I think that everyone interested in this, should examine how US Army and USMC solved this problems both in 1991 and 2003 in the Gulf. Especially that both are operating tanks with less fuel efficent gas turbine engines, so they had a bigger headache to solve such problems, and they solved them very well.

 

[GromHellscream]

There are still differences between the indian case and Gulf War here.

The assets for US army were transported through high sea in the Gulf War, so the preparation work took such a long time.
After the first Gulf War, US possessed forward bases in ME which made it much easier to launch the following Iraq War.

While India can launch its war against Pakistan from their homeland,Considering the convenience for logistics in populated areas and flat terrains, the Indus River across Pakistan from north to south, which might provide a natural barrier.

 

[tharikiran]

the day India goes even 100 km's inside Pakistan, wake me up.

 

[sayareakd]

yeah Pakistani attack our Parliament and we just watched.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

You Should read more about Armored warfare of 1971 in eastern front ..

the Indus River across Pakistan from north to south, which might provide a natural barrier.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

In battle situation MBTs not only need to refuel but rearm, In a fast moving force there are always mobile field workshop..

Tanks in a battle have to get back field workshop in back of the lines to rearm and refuel and the process goes on, Its nothing new and there is no change in working manner regardless the type of tank ..

Actually the provided vehicle range is so called cruise range, the maximal range the vehicle can go on single refueling. However it does not mean vehicles are doing this. The command needs to keep in mind that vehicles are manouvering in combat or are travel longer distances. So there is a need to estabilish refueling and rearming points through the whole root..

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That is not an Issue coz if an unit is using two different tank then you have problems but if one unit is alone using single type of tank the flow is just fine like it used to be before with T-55 / PT-76 then T-72 and T-90S..

This add burden to logistics think about it 120mm shells for the rifle gun,add to that Lahat missile and lots of components do not match with the T-series tanks we have, is it wise to spend money on T-72,T-90 and Arjun.

 

[tharikiran]

I think a mountain is being made of Indian logistics. I believe current Indian logistics is enough to support it's armoured regiments making their trusts into Pakistan when the need arises.Those who think that Pakistan will simply cut off the supply lines need to to realise that the Pakistan Airforce does not fight the Pakistan Army's war.
Indian Army will have it's attack choppers defending it's supply lines so will the air force supporting the supply lines.
This is the Indian Army, not some rag tag force of militia who don't do their home work before making adventures or thinking about logistics.
Give those guys some respect.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

About Indian Army Ordinace :


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About Indian Army Field Maintenance :


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About Indian Army Service Crop :


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Short documentary are in English and easy to understand..

 

[JBH22]

That is not an Issue coz if an unit is using two different tank then you have problems but if one unit is alone using single type of tank the flow is just fine like it used to be before with T-55 / PT-76 then T-72 and T-90S..

I beg to differ on this when you have an armoured corp using only 1 tank this simplifies logistics and you even gain on economies of scale,given that we have a large tank force. For example let's get to the ammo Arjun uses 120mm and T-90 uses 125mm so we need to produce two types.


At the end of the day we are not the USSR who would muster huge tank forces with elite units staffed with 1 tank and regular units with another tank.