AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Bahamut]

MK I has TVC?...................................

Its was one the earliest to be equipped with TVC

 

[sasum]

We don't even have a prototype and we are already busy with nomenclature. Let's get the prototype flying first.

DM Parikkar doesn't seem too enthusiastic about AMCA. He keeps talking about a pvt. Sector project; another a HAL-US joint venture. AMCA is too ambitious. HAL as an aggregator is not equipped to handle this kind of project.

 

[smestarz]

The Design of AMCA is being finalised, and he know it will take a lot of years for it to be a plane that can fly,
And importantly what it needs is ENGINE
Remember the big delay for Tejas was due to engine, as HAL wanted to use only Kaveri,
Thus Parrikar priority is to get engine for AMCA and then he can talk other details

DM Parikkar doesn't seem too enthusiastic about AMCA. He keeps talking about a pvt. Sector project; another a HAL-US joint venture. AMCA is too ambitious. HAL as an aggregator is not equipped to handle this kind of project.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Yeah, lengthier radome implies more powerful radar. AMCA's radome is very lenghty, so guessing its AESA radar will be very capable one.

I am not talking about nose cone from Radar's capability point of view. A new design (0.5M longer) was proposed for better aerodynamic performance. I am curious whether it is incorporated in cobham new Nose cone or not?

 

[sasum]

And importantly what it needs is ENGINE

I remember in his blog, Ajay Shukla claimed, a few retired engineers from Pratt & Whitney offered consultancy to GTRE, when Kaveri was facing repeated leakages in its tubing. GTRE rejected the offer outright. They were loathe to accept foreign assistance for misplaced pride or whatever.

 

[Superdefender]

I am not talking about nose cone from Radar's capability point of view. A new design (0.5M longer) was proposed for better aerodynamic performance. I am curious whether it is incorporated in cobham new Nose cone or not?

Yeah, longer radome guarantees more power for radar as well as superior speed. Remember 1st design of AMCA and compare it to the recent design. Radome of 1st design was not long enough. Later on ADA planned AMCA to be a bird with a very fast speed. So nose cone is increased, so that, it will be able to cross supersonic barrier easily.

 

[Yumdoot]

Nuke research, ALH are at least two of the areas where the Indian R&D people were lead up the unsuitable/wrong tech. path by foreigners (westerners to be precise).

And there are examples of projects where foreign help on a particular project was sought to be used to create elbow room for imports of other unrelated weapons.

Then there are cases which, at least to me suggest collusion by supposed competitors, in bidding process.

Then there is the persistent problem of foreigners saddling India with yesterday's technology.

Consulting is not the easy way out of a mess. There is no alternative to hardwork and cash investments. Most of the problems with Indian R&D can be traced to a paltry R&D budget allocation of mere 6.5% of the defence budget (China was at 12% in 2002 and at present it is at 20%). Then there is the added difficulty of having only 2/3 guys per project, something that was mentioned by Mr. Avinash Chandra.

 

[cannonfodder]

There is no substitute to increasing R&D both by govt and mainly private cos. Most problems will be solved once we have research based culture in education institutes.

Nuke research, ALH are at least two of the areas where the Indian R&D people were lead up the unsuitable/wrong tech. path by foreigners (westerners to be precise).

And there are examples of projects where foreign help on a particular project was sought to be used to create elbow room for imports of other unrelated weapons.

Then there are cases which, at least to me suggest collusion by supposed competitors, in bidding process.

Then there is the persistent problem of foreigners saddling India with yesterday's technology.

Consulting is not the easy way out of a mess. There is no alternative to hardwork and cash investments. Most of the problems with Indian R&D can be traced to a paltry R&D budget allocation of mere 6.5% of the defence budget (China was at 12% in 2002 and at present it is at 20%). Then there is the added difficulty of having only 2/3 guys per project, something that was mentioned by Mr. Avinash Chandra.

 

[garg_bharat]

Let us face it that we are not ready to build a fifth generation fighter platform yet. I think it is logical to take LCA to 4.5 generation first. This will give us confidence to jump further to 5th generation in AMCA.

I doubt government will give AMCA approval until engine issue is sorted out. As this will be a very expensive program, selection of an engine is the first step in reducing risk.

Second is development of AESA radar. This alongwith improvements in LCA (like reducing radar return, self defence tech) will give a signal that we are ready for further journey.

Approving AMCA today is equal to throwing money in the wind.

 

[smestarz]

At one point of time Tejas had consultancy from Dassault, but then they not seem very effective (seems they were either trying their best to handicap the project or whatever)

For what you said, there is business standard news
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...ndia-into-high-tech-field-197011501024_1.html
Seems it did not work out

They had also got SNECMA to jointly build an engine, which SNECMA was ready, but then they wanted to use their own core instead of the Kabini core of GTRE engine
http://www.livemint.com/Industry/H0...ne-development-you-cannot-set-a-timeline.html

Something good to read too
http://www.ibnlive.com/blogs/india/saurav-jha/an-engine-for-indias-growth-10879-748324.html

The fact is that our reliance on building world class planes all depends on having our OWN Engine,

I remember in his blog, Ajay Shukla claimed, a few retired engineers from Pratt & Whitney offered consultancy to GTRE, when Kaveri was facing repeated leakages in its tubing. GTRE rejected the offer outright. They were loathe to accept foreign assistance for misplaced pride or whatever.

 

[smestarz]

At one point of time Tejas had consultancy from Dassault, but then they not seem very effective (seems they were either trying their best to handicap the project or whatever)

For what you said, there is business standard news
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...ndia-into-high-tech-field-197011501024_1.html
Seems it did not work out

They had also got SNECMA to jointly build an engine, which SNECMA was ready, but then they wanted to use their own core instead of the Kabini core of GTRE engine
http://www.livemint.com/Industry/H0...ne-development-you-cannot-set-a-timeline.html

Something good to read too
http://www.ibnlive.com/blogs/india/saurav-jha/an-engine-for-indias-growth-10879-748324.html

The fact is that our reliance on building world class planes all depends on having our OWN Engine,

I remember in his blog, Ajay Shukla claimed, a few retired engineers from Pratt & Whitney offered consultancy to GTRE, when Kaveri was facing repeated leakages in its tubing. GTRE rejected the offer outright. They were loathe to accept foreign assistance for misplaced pride or whatever.

 

[Yumdoot]

Snecma reminds me, how fickle this consultancy business can be.

It was Snecma that started the whole charade around - Kaveri is designed all wrong, throws blades.

A few years later without any fundamental changes GE people come in and say - Kaveri is a world class engine, we wish to cooperate with India.

Reality - The frenchies wanted to get into the system to be able to sell stuff. Americans too wanted to do the same. Both said what was comfortable for the then 'authorities'.

Turns out Kaveri funding was stiffled by a coterie of MOD agents and IAF after the successful high altitude tests in Russia. Till NaMo govt came along and revised everything.

 

[Superdefender]

Mr. Parikar and Mr. Carter agreed on hot engine development as well as helmet mounted display. Is it for Mk. 2 or AMCA?

 

[smestarz]

Mr. Parikar and Mr. Carter agreed on hot engine development as well as helmet mounted display. Is it for Mk. 2 or AMCA?

why not for all the planes.. why limit to just two?

 

[Superdefender]

why not for all the planes.. why limit to just two?

No, AMCA should have 5th gen type HMD. Already AMCA will get advanced PCD much like F-35; so will HMD be like that of F-35 too? HMD of JSF is quite bulky and problematic. I think a simple but hightech and light HMD will be developed.

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Just like you folks have enjoyed the liberty of offering nomenclature, I also enjoy the liberty to point out what I feel is premature. We are all entitled to an opinion. Given that you guys are pointing out that I am a MOD, it would have taken me one second to delete those posts, but I did not. So, chill guys, and keep posting nomenclature. It doesn't violate forum rules.

Lol

Don't try to pull rank

Dosenr work with us here ;-)

Enjoyed pulling your leg a little

 

[sasum]

why not for all the planes.. why limit to just two?

Ghaziabad based Samtel Avionics makes Helmet mounted displays for Mirages and Migs. This item is of little significance.

 

[smestarz]

i this HMD is way superior than what Samtel is producing now

 

[sasum]

i this HMD is way superior than what Samtel is producing now

My point is, can't we trust Desi companies like Samtel to upgrade their products to suit 5th Gen aircrafts? Why chase foreign suppliers for every item? In this way govt. is killing local initiative. Samtel has a partnership with Thales. Certainly there is no dearth of technical resources.

 

[Superdefender]

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