AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

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We don't even have a prototype and we are already busy with nomenclature. Let's get the prototype flying first.
Sir, the purpose is to drive the people here towards DFI, whom will be tasked to come with a name for AMCA. They can find some of those here. Take it for fun. In some forums, I have seen regular, senior members as well as moderators name AMCA and extending thread to 3-4 pages in naming only!!
 

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We are a country which is in habit of naming kids the moment the guy gets married ".. ladka hua to tejas, ladki hui to Tejasvini ..." We are just following the glorious tradition.

Since the Mod does not like it, I say lets name the planes after my GFs. problems solved...
 

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Sir, the purpose is to drive the people here towards DFI, whom will be tasked to come with a name for AMCA. They can find some of those here. Take it for fun. In some forums, I have seen regular, senior members as well as moderators name AMCA and extending thread to 3-4 pages in naming only!!
We are a country which is in habit of naming kids the moment the guy gets married ".. ladka hua to tejas, ladki hui to Tejasvini ..." We are just following the glorious tradition.

Since the Mod does not like it, I say lets name the planes after my GFs. problems solved...
Just like you folks have enjoyed the liberty of offering nomenclature, I also enjoy the liberty to point out what I feel is premature. We are all entitled to an opinion. Given that you guys are pointing out that I am a MOD, it would have taken me one second to delete those posts, but I did not. So, chill guys, and keep posting nomenclature. It doesn't violate forum rules.
 

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A ship might fire 40-50 Nirbhay, How many SU30-MKI you are going to use to match that. Just increase the range of the missile to 1500-2000 KM and you can fire the missiles towards Pakistan for Gujrat to Islamabad flight, that to without risking any resource and in 1000s.
To my mind, Nirbhaya's subsonic speed is not it's main drawback. US's Tomahawk (similar to Nirbhaya) entered into service in 1983. Still there is no effective counter against it. Cruise missiles are not easy to strike down in-flight. However, it sounds a little silly to launch a long range subsonic missile from a supersonic fighter Aircraft. Nirbhaya will serve best from ships.
 

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For the Nirbhay it is its stealth (on account of its terrain following flight profile)
But all cruise missiles follow a terrain-hugging horizontal flight-path for better part. That is why Theatre-missile defence system can shoot down ballistic missiles but not CMs. As for supersonic Brahmos emitting more heat, when even a bird reflects RF signal, what is the significance of heat-emitting supersonic planes/ missiles?

I agree, if Brahmos can be made long range (1000+ km) it will be a valuable asset to our military.
 

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How can we wake up someone if that fellow is acting to sleep? IAF knows that AMCA, being a 5th gen multirole bird, can easily outclass Rafale in every parameter. But alas, mentality of acquiring western fascinating stuffs fascinates them till date. What will we do with 36 Rafales when AMCA enters mass production?

[Fact: We can buy almost 130 MKIs with $12 billion budget!]
AMCA may indeed have lower maneuverability than lighter F-16 with fewer payloads, oil-tanks. Heavier SU-30 MK I suffers from same deficit. Higher engine thrust doesn't contribute to greater maneuverability.
 

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AMCA may indeed have lower maneuverability than lighter F-16 with fewer payloads, oil-tanks. Heavier SU-30 MK I suffers from same deficit. Higher engine thrust doesn't contribute to greater maneuverability.
How can you say that? F-16 is more manuevrable or T-50? I have not said more thrust implies more manuever. Do you really think makers of AMCA are unknown to foriegn fighter designs? Tejas's wing loading is among lowest in the world. If the makers want AMCA to be super manuevrable, they will make it.
 

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@pmaitra, thanks for your post. You can create a new thread like 'Possible names for AMCA' and move these posts to that thread. New names:

1. HAL Indrayudh (Vajra/Lightening)
2. HAL Udayan (Risen)
3. HAL Vinashak (Destroyer)
4. HAL Indrari (Demon)
5. HAL Ugrabij (Very Powerful)
6. HAL Ulka (Astroid)
7. HAL Rushav (Bull)
 

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Do you really think makers of AMCA are unknown to foriegn fighter designs?
:rotfl:In a lighter vein, our makers are very much aware of foreign plane designs..otherwise how they will rip off?
BTW, I am not aware of any medium category plane niftier than Rafael or even F-16 !!
 

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@pmaitra, thanks for your post. You can create a new thread like 'Possible names for AMCA' and move these posts to that thread. New names:

1. HAL Indrayudh (Vajra/Lightening)
2. HAL Udayan (Risen)
3. HAL Vinashak (Destroyer)
4. HAL Indrari (Demon)
5. HAL Ugrabij (Very Powerful)
6. HAL Ulka (Astroid)
7. HAL Rushav (Bull)
Rushav is more suited to Tank, Ulka for missile, Ugrabij for warhead, Vinashak already taken? Udayan is too soft for a defence hardware..that leaves Indrayudh..ahem.

PS: This is my perception. Members may come out with more names and throw open a wider choice. I find Nirbhay for a CM rather inappropriate !!
 

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Nirbhay main problem is that it's not operational yet.

Otherwise, it is fact tomahawk is outdated & trash.

We need to aim for desi equivalent of Klub ie Mach 3+ 2k+ km range.

Russia due to mtcr cannot help us in range past Brahmos 300km.

Working on getting Nirbhay functional & hypersonic Brahmos should be priority.

Also, Nirbhay would be useful in raping britshits for India's daughter propumentary.
 

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To my mind, Nirbhaya's subsonic speed is not it's main drawback. US's Tomahawk (similar to Nirbhaya) entered into service in 1983. Still there is no effective counter against it. Cruise missiles are not easy to strike down in-flight. However, it sounds a little silly to launch a long range subsonic missile from a supersonic fighter Aircraft. Nirbhaya will serve best from ships.
I can understand your point here, and for Pakistam we can launch the missile from anywhere say 100 kms from border and yet it can hit a target anywhere in Pakistan, but China is a different situation.
A supersonic plane can come to the point of lauching the missile much faster than subsonic one but that is not a rule that one has to go super sonic only.

One advantage of using Su-30 MKI / Nirbhaya combination is for Su-30 MKI to move move towards the Western border of Pakistan and launch from there, CMs from India can be launched from East and South of Pakistan and hence using Su-30 MKI + Nirbhaya and launching it from Western border of Pakistan makes Rawalpindi and Quetta more difficult for pakistan to defend, thining their defences.
 

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AMCA may indeed have lower maneuverability than lighter F-16 with fewer payloads, oil-tanks. Heavier SU-30 MK I suffers from same deficit. Higher engine thrust doesn't contribute to greater maneuverability.
PKAFA has 3D thrust victor nozzle. How can it be less maneuverable than any other plane in world?
 

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Change of plan. Tejas Mk. 2 will feature UTTAM AESA; Which AESA will AMCA have, that must be much more powerful than UTTAM?
 

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Change of plan. Tejas Mk. 2 will feature UTTAM AESA; Which AESA will AMCA have, that must be much more powerful than UTTAM?
If the nose cone size of AMCA is bigger than automatically bigger radar size shall result into more powerful radar.
 

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PKAFA has 3D thrust victor nozzle. How can it be less maneuverable than any other plane in world?
Thrust vectoring can aid in changing pitch and yaw. So can ailerons, rudders, flaps etc. But Dog-fight maneuver involves much more..Airframe, FCS, drag, payload and so on.
 

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One advantage of using Su-30 MKI / Nirbhaya combination is for Su-30 MKI to move move towards the Western border of Pakistan and launch from there, CMs from India can be launched from East and South of Pakistan and hence using Su-30 MKI + Nirbhaya and launching it from Western border of Pakistan makes Rawalpindi and Quetta more difficult for pakistan to defend, thining their defences.
This will be over-kill. If brahmos (290 km) are launched from Punjab & Rajasthan border, they can easily cover Lahore, Islamabad & Rawalpindi. Nirbhaya will come into play if fired from Arabian sea..in that case it can hit Gwadar to Lahore !
 

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Thrust vectoring can aid in changing pitch and yaw. So can ailerons, rudders, flaps etc. But Dog-fight maneuver involves much more..Airframe, FCS, drag, payload and so on.
What TVC allow it that it increase the turn rate of the plane and momentary allow you to point you nose at extreme angle of attack .Unlike Su 30 MKI ,newer version the TVC are controlled by flight system not pilot
 

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If the nose cone size of AMCA is bigger than automatically bigger radar size shall result into more powerful radar.
Yeah, lengthier radome implies more powerful radar. AMCA's radome is very lenghty, so guessing its AESA radar will be very capable one.
 

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What TVC allow it that it increase the turn rate of the plane and momentary allow you to point you nose at extreme angle of attack .Unlike Su 30 MKI ,newer version the TVC are controlled by flight system not pilot
MK I has TVC?...................................
 

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