AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

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I admit that F-35 is a fat non-manuruevable pig. But if AMCA will be slightly bigger than F-35, then how can its empty wt. be 11 tn? It will be above 14 tn, F-35 is some 13.9 tn.
 

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AMCA will most probably look like Japani X-2 "Shinshin" but wider than it and less lengthy.
1st design of AMCA was most stunning and visually like a mini F-22 (and somewhat like Japans ATD-X). Final design of AMCA is very different.
 

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PAKFA is bigger then F-22 but at least 2 tons lighter then F-22. Basically all the problems with F-35 is because of it's F-35 B variant. It's fat bulky because of that. Also I am not sure but F-35 uses only about 30-35% of composites where AMCA will be having at least 70% composites. This will save a lot of weight.
 

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I admit that F-35 is a fat non-manuruevable pig. But if AMCA will be slightly bigger than F-35, then how can its empty wt. be 11 tn? It will be above 14 tn, F-35 is some 13.9 tn.
Main reason for weight for F 35 is engine and many part which are not going to be use in one model but is still there so as a result AMCA is lighter.
 

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PAKFA is bigger then F-22 but at least 2 tons lighter then F-22. Basically all the problems with F-35 is because of it's F-35 B variant. It's fat bulky because of that. Also I am not sure but F-35 uses only about 30-35% of composites where AMCA will be having at least 70% composites. This will save a lot of weight.
PAKFA is bigger then F-22 but at least 2 tons lighter then F-22. Basically all the problems with F-35 is because of it's F-35 B variant. It's fat bulky because of that. Also I am not sure but F-35 uses only about 30-35% of composites where AMCA will be having at least 70% composites. This will save a lot of weight.
Really, if that is true, than 4 tn is too small for AMCA. It must have above 8 tn int. fuel. By the way, no one is answering about int. bays? F-35 has lesser int. weapons than proposed AMCA design. Is that why it has so much int. fuel despite less composite?
 

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Now I have got a happy news. The first flight of AMCA is planned in 2019. We can see fully designed AMCA by 2021/22 and IAF to get 1st sqdn. of AMCA by 2025!!!
 

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I admit that F-35 is a fat non-manuruevable pig. But if AMCA will be slightly bigger than F-35, then how can its empty wt. be 11 tn? It will be above 14 tn, F-35 is some 13.9 tn.
If weight is your concern, then AMCA will have two engines, as opposed to one in F-35.
 

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But that does not answer my question....how does F-35 has 8tn internal fuel when it is of same weight as of AMCA? And can you give me link which shows IAF quoting speed of AMCA to be mach 2.5!
there is no existence of either amca or its engines then how such info gonna available.
 

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Guys, I have couple of questions about AMCA.
1. Why does AMCA has 4tn internal fuel where as F-35 has 8tn? Both are medium fighters and of around same empty weight! Is it because F-35 has less no. internal weapons than AMCA? AMCA will have 2 weapon bays with 4 missiles each,i.e., 8 in internal bays. So by carrying more weapons internally, it sacrifices half of in-fuel capacity. Is it the reason?
2. Top speed of AMCA is mach 2.5 (mentioned in wiki)!! Is it true?

Please reply..
I have been talking of AMCA in many forums and everybody says that internal weapon bay design of AMCA is inconsistent
 

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there is no existence of either amca or its engines then how such info gonna available.
This info is available because specs of fighter are well defined before its development.
For example, first its weight capacity was to be 29 tonnes when there were plans to use Kaveri.
But when it was decided that it would use GE F404, weight capacity projected is 36 tonnes.
By the way, this info isn't accurate but almost near about the future real fighter.
 

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Guys, I have couple of questions about AMCA.
1. Why does AMCA has 4tn internal fuel where as F-35 has 8tn? Both are medium fighters and of around same empty weight! Is it because F-35 has less no. internal weapons than AMCA? AMCA will have 2 weapon bays with 4 missiles each,i.e., 8 in internal bays. So by carrying more weapons internally, it sacrifices half of in-fuel capacity. Is it the reason?
2. Top speed of AMCA is mach 2.5 (mentioned in wiki)!! Is it true?

Please reply..
US might have designed F 35 as very long range Bomber role. We may have designed AMCA in a role like the one of Rafale.
 

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If weight is your concern, then AMCA will have two engines, as opposed to one in F-35.
I know that! F-35's peak thrust is above 190 kN in afterburner and it uses single engine. But if India chooses GE-414 Enhanced engine (peak thrust=116 kN), then peak thrust of AMCA will be 232 kN, way more than that of F-35! Still their empty weights are nearly simillar.
 

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I know that! F-35's peak thrust is above 190 kN in afterburner and it uses single engine. But if India chooses GE-414 Enhanced engine (peak thrust=116 kN), then peak thrust of AMCA will be 232 kN, way more than that of F-35! Still their empty weights are nearly simillar.
What is the TWR of the two? Sorry, being lazy.
 

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US might have designed F 35 as very long range Bomber role. We may have designed AMCA in a role like the one of Rafale.
Yes, F-35 can act as a bomber. But how 8tn vs. 4tn. in int. fuel? I am asking how, when e.w. of both are almost equal. AMCA will have more no. of int. weapons than F-35, sacrificing space for more internal fuel. Is it the reason? And someone just said AMCA will have way more composites than AMCA, does not make sense. I have still not got any satisfactory answer.
 

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Yes, F-35 can act as a bomber. But how 8tn vs. 4tn. in int. fuel? I am asking how, when e.w. of both are almost equal. AMCA will have more no. of int. weapons than F-35, sacrificing space for more internal fuel. Is it the reason? And someone just said AMCA will have way more composites than AMCA, does not make sense. I have still not got any satisfactory answer.
I said long range bomber and not simply Bomber.
 

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It is like Rafale and Su 30 MKI. MKI is heavy and has lot more internal fuel so it can go further. Rafal can carry even more load but can not to a distance where Su 30 can go.
 

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there is no existence of either amca or its engines then how such info gonna available.
You must have seen pics of final design of AMCA at AERO INDIA 2013 with surpentile intake. The specification mentioned in wiki is based on that final design. It's not fake! Top speed is ofcourse my doubt. One expert had said it to be above mach 1.9, but mach 2.5!!
 

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It is like Rafale and Su 30 MKI. MKI is heavy and has lot more internal fuel so it can go further. Rafal can carry even more load but can not to a distance where Su 30 can go.
Are you kidding? Rafale can carry more load than MKI! Rafale is medium multirole and Su-30 MKI is heavy dominance. Both have separate roles, so both are different. But here we have two simillar jets in almost all aspect. Still F-35 can take double capacity of int. fuel than AMCA. It does not make sense. I donot care about short/long range bomber. I mean how?
 

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