AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

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nice article even if tejas is not awesome it is indian with increase in number of atleast 400+ we will have
advantage first economy of scale which can bring the cost down to 25 million a piece and will instill confidence in market. we can sell the product in the huge market where over 2000 light attack aircraft are needed bringing funding for the amca project and establishing india claim of next superpower.

it will create thousands of job in India

it will bring the number advantage in iaf and increase the time in flight for its pilot which is decreasing rapidly.
tejas can always used as a advance trainer in future just like gripen is used by raf and the number exported to other countries if we mange to get some order hopefully they can be given away from the 400 jets ordered by iaf.

we need people like ajai shukla in mainstream media who can echo our voice as we are dying on forum. with no one listening.
I would tend to agree with everything except the last part about Ajai Shukla, i would rate the guy as a cheap journo. Also try to analyse his articles over the years, the guy is part of pro-Russian lobby. I would not give weight to what he says.
 

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I would tend to agree with everything except the last part about Ajai Shukla, i would rate the guy as a cheap journo. Also try to analyse his articles over the years, the guy is part of pro-Russian lobby. I would not give weight to what he says.
Many of us thought so as well. Ajay Shukla was very much anti-Arjun and pro-T-90, but after the Arjun beat the T-90 and that report about Arjun being the "Desert Ferrari" came out, he made a volt-face, and became a strong supporter of Arjun. Since then, he has been supporting indigenous products.

Now, whether we agree with him or not, I doubt he is part of the Russian lobby. If we are looking for the Russian lobby, it might be useful to look at the recent decision to acquire more T-90s.
 

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http://www.orfonline.org/cms/export...rief/attachments/IBrief_105_1442303279930.pdf

The Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft: A Technical Analysis

@tharun , Brother , you can find the pics in above analysis too.
From that link, for the benefit of all:

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Configuration and Shaping for Stealth

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Inlet and exhaust ducts

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Weapons Bay

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Radar field of view

Credit:
Abhijit Iyer-Mitra is Programme Coordinator, ORF National Security Programme.
Pushan Das is Research Assistant, ORF National Security Programme.
 

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Drawings look stunning. Hope we will see the real one soon.


From that link, for the benefit of all:



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Weapons Bay

Radar field of view

Credit:
Abhijit Iyer-Mitra is Programme Coordinator, ORF National Security Programme.
Pushan Das is Research Assistant, ORF National Security Programme.
 

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From that link, for the benefit of all:

View attachment 6063
Configuration and Shaping for Stealth

View attachment 6064
Inlet and exhaust ducts

View attachment 6065
Weapons Bay

View attachment 6066
Radar field of view

Credit:
Abhijit Iyer-Mitra is Programme Coordinator, ORF National Security Programme.
Pushan Das is Research Assistant, ORF National Security Programme.
Hmm it proves that AMCA program is running at a good pace, this AMediumCA with AESA radar will be one of the most dangerous fighter jets :lehappy: since smaller size does matter in the field of stealth fighters it'll be having a definite age over J20 and other stealth fighters, off course only if we complete this with proficiency.
 

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Here I would like to add something....

Indian Air Force chief expects full strength of 42 squadrons by 2027

Indian Air Force (IAF) boss, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, has verified Business Standard's report (October 2, " Parrikar cuts Gordian knot to boost Tejas line ") that the air force was ordering 120 (six squadrons) Tejas Mark I Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), triple the 40 aircraft it had previously committed to buying from Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL).

Addressing a press conference in New Delhi on Saturday, in the lead up to Air Force Day on October 8, Raha declared, "We are ready to take more - 120 (fighters), six squadrons of Tejas… We are ready to take it as soon as they (HAL) can provide it. That means they have to ramp up the production rate, which is running behind schedule… But we will take all 120."

Raha endorsed Business Standard's description of the configuration of the additional fighters, which is being dubbed the Tejas Mark 1A. It will have an under-wing pod for electronic warfare and jamming, aerial refuelling capability, better air-to-air missiles and rearranged internals for easy maintenance.

Unlike former air force chiefs who have often used Air Force Day to paint a dire picture of a weakening air force with dwindling aircraft numbers, an optimistic Raha predicted, "We are looking forward to building up our combat fleet to 42 squadrons by the end of the 14 th plan, by 2027. I think it is possible, it is viable, there are a lot of options available with us, and discussions are already on."

Raha's optimism rests on his acceptance of indigenisation, a notable turnaround from his predecessors, who never planned beyond one-to-two Tejas squadrons. Raha's acceptance of six Tejas squadrons immediately makes the numbers better.

Furthermore, he is optimistic about the next-generation "advanced medium combat aircraft" (AMCA) that the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) has begun designing in close partnership with the IAF. Raha sees the AMCA, which he says will take 15 years of development and prototype testing, as the IAF's future, along with the "fifth-generation fighter aircraft" (FGFA) that Russia and India plan to co-develop.

The AMCA would come into service around 2030, just in time to replace three types of IAF combat aircraft whose service lives are currently being extended through avionics upgrades (MiG-29 and Mirage 2000), and an engine replacement programme (Jaguar).

Raha signalled growing IAF disenchantment with the FGFA, something that has been increasingly evident from the inability of New Delhi and Moscow to agree on an R&D contract. The air chief confessed, "There are some issues which have cropped up in terms of the work share, in terms of the present technological and technical aspects of the PAK-FA (the Russian FGFA prototype, which is undergoing test flights), and of course the cost visibility. So these are the issues we are looking at and they have been taken up at the highest level."

However, the air chief believes that the AMCA's promise compensates for uncertainty over the FGFA. Says Raha, "If the FGFA comes through it is fine, otherwise the Indian FGFA - that is the AMCA, the advanced medium combat aircraft - we still have over 15 years to work on it before the MiG-29 upgraded aircraft retire, before the Mirage 2000 upgraded ones retire, as well as Jaguar upgraded ones retire in another 15 years."

In contrast to its aloofness from the Tejas programme, the IAF has immersed itself in the AMCA programme, to the DRDO's pleasant surprise. Raha enthuses, "I am very sure, if we put our hearts and souls together, and if the air force, the DRDO, the ADA (Aeronautical Development Agency) and HAL and other agencies involved take joint responsibility, joint accountability and joint ownership, [AMCA] is highly possible."


Notwithstanding Raha's embrace of indigenisation, he retains the IAF's conviction that it is essential to have at least six squadrons of the Rafale.

Interestingly, he leaves the door open for any other medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA). "I cannot give you numbers, but definitely we would like to have the MMRCA type of aircraft, at least six squadrons to my mind. But let's see, there may be some other alternatives as well," he said.

The IAF chief stressed on the on-going development of advanced landing ground (ALGs) along the Himalayan frontiers, especially in Jammu & Kashmir and the north-east. He said Nyoma and Kargil airports in Ladakh are important, "Not only for capability enhancement of the air force in support of the army, it is also going to help us in increased tourist traffic and economic development."

Indicating that Kargil would be developed as a tourist hub, Raha said the IAF would "extend the runway not only so that it can be used by larger bodied aircraft of the air force, or combat aircraft, but also larger-bodied (civil) aircraft…"

In contrast, Nyoma, which is being developed as a fighter-capable airfield in remote Southern Ladakh, at an altitude of over 13,000 feet, would take longer, because of its hostile climate and short working seasons. "So even if we can start the work this year, it will take several working seasons, to my mind between three and five to complete the work."
 

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15 years for AMCA testing !! isn't it too long looking at our requirement ? Many technologies which will be used in AMCA are being developed for LCA MK-II, except engine, so why not we can create prototype in next 3-4 years ? shouldn't we target 10 years ?
 

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Here I would like to add something....



Raha signalled growing IAF disenchantment with the FGFA, something that has been increasingly evident from the inability of New Delhi and Moscow to agree on an R&D contract. The air chief confessed, "There are some issues which have cropped up in terms of the work share, in terms of the present technological and technical aspects of the PAK-FA (the Russian FGFA prototype, which is undergoing test flights), and of course the cost visibility. So these are the issues we are looking at and they have been taken up at the highest level."

kutte ki dum kabhi seedhi nahin ho sakti

1. he knows AMCA is a long time off so no harm in singning along till the time they can criticise it

2. He is worried about FGFA costs but not worried about Rafale bankrupting not only IAFs budget but whole of india defence budgets in the very near term and Still hankering for 120
 

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F-35 fuel tank layout...
Fuel capacity-8300kgs Combat Radius about-1000km+
We need AMCA upto 1200-1500km combat radius
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Is it too low ? How abt F18/Mig29/Typhoon ?
F-18 Hornet 10,400 KG/4,900 KG(Empty Weight/Internal Fuel)
F-18 Super Hornet 14,500 KG/6,400 KG
EFT 11,000 KG/5,000 KG
Mig-29 13,400 KG/3,400 KG

Now
F-18 Hornet ~ 47% internal fuel of empty weight
F-18 Super Hornet ~ 44%
EFT ~ 45%
Mig-29 ~ 25%

Except Mig-29 no other fighter is short legged. Each other have more then 40% internal fuel of empty weight.

Now lets consider AMCA a 11-12K empty weight class fighter.

ie. 33-36% internal fuel of empty weight.

Where as Rafale have more then 50% of the same.
 

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