AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[THESIS THORON]

 

[THESIS THORON]

lack of private players

surely I will make one

 

[asianobserve]

European LO FCAS, Tempest, Indian AMCA, Turkish TF-X fighter designs also all look similar to F-22. No LM input there as far as I know

I disagree.

 

[Knowitall]

It's only a matter of time.

Our naval industry has already overshadowed the Russians by a enormous margin barring submarine construction.

Today India can construct ships of tonnage that the Russians can only dream of.

Similar our aerospace and ground forces industry has gained a edge over the Russians in many fields.

 

[Brood Father]

It's only a matter of time.

Our naval industry has already overshadowed the Russians by a enormous margin barring submarine construction.

Today India can construct ships of tonnage that the Russians can only dream of.

Similar our aerospace and ground forces industry has gained a edge over the Russians in many fields.

Unfortunately India even in naval lacks advanced tech for submarines vis a vis Russia (nuclear and conventional) . We need to bridge that gap soon
However for surface ships we are doing very good compared to Russia

 

[WARREN SS]

It's only a matter of time.

Our naval industry has already overshadowed the Russians by a enormous margin barring submarine construction.

Today India can construct ships of tonnage that the Russians can only dream of.

Similar our aerospace and ground forces industry has gained a edge over the Russians in many fields.

Actually no We far behind from in
Turbofan Engines technology

Which the Core Aviation infrastructure.

Russians are only second to Americans
In this regard

And it's all Because of Lack funding to there
Defense and economic constraints
There industry


Had Russians had even half economy of Americans

US might had been sitting bricks

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars And the ROK has been working on since 2001. And still delivering a 4 plus generations aircrafts after like 3 decades.

And here we are crushing our Tejas which has delivered a fuctional aircraft after three decades with a potential line ups of 4 plus generations aircrafts.

 

[THESIS THORON]

lack of private players

surely I will make one

HAS LO ABHI

 

[THESIS THORON]

DOUBLE THE POWER OF F35 (ELECTRICAL)

AMCA MK2 WITH JV ENGINE WILL BE PUNY IN FRONT OF THIS

I am now wondering whether we will make another program for 6th gen fighter or just continue the design of AMCA

 

[Spitfire9]

DOUBLE THE POWER OF F35 (ELECTRICAL)

AMCA MK2 WITH JV ENGINE WILL BE PUNY IN FRONT OF THIS

I am now wondering whether we will make another program for 6th gen fighter or just continue the design of AMCA

Yes, Japan used the right approach: sort out an engine in good time to avoid ending up with a production aircraft with no engine, the position in which India and Turkey currently find themselves. Turkey's position is even worse - it seems that permission to use the GE F100 for the prototype TF-X may not be forthcoming from US Congress.

Turkey sinks into denial over defense programs

By dint of wanting to play on several fronts at the same time, Ankara now seems to see the prospects for its ambitious defense programs

www.meta-defense.fr

As for dumping AMCA and starting on a 6G aircraft... ???

 

[THESIS THORON]

As for dumping AMCA and starting on a 6G aircraft... ???

it will be a big blunder.

best would be that if we had made kaveri k10. and then dev ganga core

but dreams remains dreams if one do not takes right action at right time.

 

[SavageKing456]

Yes, Japan used the right approach: sort out an engine in good time to avoid ending up with a production aircraft with no engine, the position in which India and Turkey currently find themselves. Turkey's position is even worse - it seems that permission to use the GE F100 for the prototype TF-X may not be forthcoming from US Congress.

Turkey sinks into denial over defense programs

By dint of wanting to play on several fronts at the same time, Ankara now seems to see the prospects for its ambitious defense programs

www.meta-defense.fr

As for dumping AMCA and starting on a 6G aircraft... ???

Never ever
Dropping amca for 6th gen aircraft would undoubtedly the most stupid idea.
Also 6th gen aircraft won't be coming any time soon
Only US has calibre of developing such advanced technologies

 

[Spitfire9]

Also 6th gen aircraft won't be coming any time soon
Only US has calibre of developing such advanced technologies

Europeans are also looking at developing 6G aircraft - FCAS, Tempest. Of course, that depends on what is considered to be 5G or a generation ahead. Not sure about either project actually getting the go ahead, though.

 

[THESIS THORON]

Never ever
Dropping amca for 6th gen aircraft would undoubtedly the most stupid idea.
Also 6th gen aircraft won't be coming any time soon
Only US has calibre of developing such advanced technologies

japs will have 6th gen fighter earlier than umreeka.

their engine is also ready

 

[SavageKing456]

japs will have 6th gen fighter earlier than umreeka.

their engine is also ready

US has already flown the prototype man
Japan is nowhere near US.
Their engine adaptive cycle is also tested XA100

 

[IndianHawk]

DOUBLE THE POWER OF F35 (ELECTRICAL)

AMCA MK2 WITH JV ENGINE WILL BE PUNY IN FRONT OF THIS

I am now wondering whether we will make another program for 6th gen fighter or just continue the design of AMCA

Use common sense. We started designing amca even before we finalized design of lca mk2. And we were also in partnership with Russia for fgfa which later got cancelled.

What it means that we are actually designing 3 jets simultaneously lca mk2 , amca and fgfa while producing lca mk1.

So once we are done with mk2 design and put it into production we will again have resources to design more jets along with amca. Our 6th gen design could be ready by the time amca starts induction.

Difference between mk2 prototype in 2022 and amca in 2024 is just 2 -3 years.

6 th gen prototype might come earlier then expected . Probably by 2032-34.

 

[Super Flanker]

japs will have 6th gen fighter earlier than umreeka.

their engine is also ready

DudeI hope you know what you are saying! US? And behind Japa? Dude America is way ahead of the Japanese in this field and Matter!

The Americans have already reportedly flown the first Prototype of Their 6th Generation Aircraft of Project NGAD(Next Generation Air Dominance)

Here is a couple of Articles with regards to America Flying the 1st Prototype of its 6th Generation Aircraft.
have a read through this:

US Secretly Tests World's First 6-Gen Fighter Jet That Is Hypersonic & Untraceable

After already setting a bench-mark in defense innovation with the advanced F-35 stealth fighter jets, the United States has reportedly developed and tested its mysterious new sixth-generation fighter jet. China Confirms PLA Soldiers Were Killed In Galwan Valley Clash; Claims India Suffered More...

eurasiantimes.com

The US Air Force has built and flown a mysterious full-scale prototype of its future fighter jet

Does this give the Next Generation Air Dominance program more momentum, or does it open it up to more scrutiny?

www.defensenews.com

US Fast-Tracks Its 6th-Gen Fighter Jet Program As It Looks To Outpace European Tempest & FCAS, Retire F-22 Raptors

The US seems to have fast-tracked its sixth-generation fighter jet program, also known as Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) in a bid to outpace the UK and France-led programs. Stealthy & Nuclear-Capable – World’s First 5th-Gen Fighter Jet To Get Clearance For Nuclear Strike Role China’s...

eurasiantimes.com

These articles are Saying that US flew the 1st prototype literally in September 2020! So they are Way ahead of the Japanese and any other country in this field!

 

[Tshering22]

DOUBLE THE POWER OF F35 (ELECTRICAL)

AMCA MK2 WITH JV ENGINE WILL BE PUNY IN FRONT OF THIS

I am now wondering whether we will make another program for 6th gen fighter or just continue the design of AMCA

Japan is at least 3 centuries ahead of us in overall technological prowess. We should not be comparing ourselves to them. They have a few benefits:

1. A very committed government regardless of political parties or coalitions - The Japanese care about their nation a lot and it doesn't matter who it is, they prioritize their domestic sector over anything else.
2. Their mastery in practically all core technologies: Aerospace grade alloys, steel-making, propulsion engineering, >80 years of aircraft manufacturing experience, powerful semiconductor industry, and a carbon composites industry that is even the envy of the Americans (cough cough....Teijin & Torei)
3. America's blessings: The US will not give them F-22s, but everything else to make sure that they can more than stand up to the PLAN. Japan is more closely allied with 'murica than the entire NATO combined. It has access to the best that Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman & Boeing can offer.

ADA and ARDC might have a better chance of collaborating with Mitsubishi and Kawasaki and try to fine-tune the weak points that we have and those areas where they are already experts without American involvement. For example, aircraft weight reduction, better aerodynamics, and maybe, even Kaveri (which is currently being tested with Russia's Gromov Research Institute).

Look at the document attached.

Not to mention that the Japanese are partnering with the United Kingdom for the Project Tempest.

Japan could become partner nation on UK-led future fighter effort, says program director

 

[Spitfire9]

Japan could become partner nation on UK-led future fighter effort, says program director

I think it was last year that Japan said it was going it alone and was not interested in becoming a partner in Tempest.

 

[Trololo]

Japan is at least 3 centuries ahead of us in overall technological prowess. We should not be comparing ourselves to them. They have a few benefits:

1. A very committed government regardless of political parties or coalitions - The Japanese care about their nation a lot and it doesn't matter who it is, they prioritize their domestic sector over anything else.
2. Their mastery in practically all core technologies: Aerospace grade alloys, steel-making, propulsion engineering, >80 years of aircraft manufacturing experience, powerful semiconductor industry, and a carbon composites industry that is even the envy of the Americans (cough cough....Teijin & Torei)
3. America's blessings: The US will not give them F-22s, but everything else to make sure that they can more than stand up to the PLAN. Japan is more closely allied with 'murica than the entire NATO combined. It has access to the best that Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman & Boeing can offer.

ADA and ARDC might have a better chance of collaborating with Mitsubishi and Kawasaki and try to fine-tune the weak points that we have and those areas where they are already experts without American involvement. For example, aircraft weight reduction, better aerodynamics, and maybe, even Kaveri (which is currently being tested with Russia's Gromov Research Institute).

Look at the document attached.

Not to mention that the Japanese are partnering with the United Kingdom for the Project Tempest.

Japan could become partner nation on UK-led future fighter effort, says program director

XF9 engine, XA 100 VC Engine, and RR engine for tempest (with very high electrical power) will be used as templates for a domestic high thrust military turbofan. If India decides to be conservative in approach then our engine will be an F414 EPE type, which can be achieved with a JV with Snecma. If it decides to go all out then they will try to imbibe the XF9's small form factor with the XA100 VCE's versatility and the RR's revolutionary high electrical power generation capability. Lets see which approach is taken. It won't be easy or cheap.
There is no middle ground in either case.