AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[no smoking]

Saraswat noted that the project to develop a Light Combat Aircraft was initiated in early 1980s but soon after Missile Transfer Control Regime (MTCR) came into effect in 1988.

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In 1986, they were flying their prototypes when these so called friend stopped helping. The years from 1980-88 were wasted like this and overall 20years were wasted due to unreliable partners. From 1980 it took 21 years for first flight for tejas in 2001 & only since 2014 we have actually sincerely worked on tejas...
this is the reason even when USA is coming to us all arms wide open we are still sceptical...

That is a very interesting argument. MTCR is MISSILE transfer control, how come it affected a fighter jet program?

Furthermore, MTCR was founded and guideline was set in Apr 1987 not 1988, and in Oct 1987 - the design started with Dassault's consultancy, the phase continued to 1988.

And here is what is said about Mr Sarawat in Wiki

"Dr. Saraswat is a forerunner in the development of number of critical missile technologies that were under denial due to the Missile Technology Control Regime, thus making India self-reliant in Missile Technologies."

So, obviously, the journalist got what he said about missile program mixed with LCA.

 

[FalconSlayers]

That is a very interesting argument. MTCR is MISSILE transfer control, how come it affected a fighter jet program?

Furthermore, MTCR was founded and guideline was set in Apr 1987 not 1988, and in Oct 1987 - the design started with Dassault's consultancy, the phase continued to 1988.

And here is what is said about Mr Sarawat in Wiki

"Dr. Saraswat is a forerunner in the development of number of critical missile technologies that were under denial due to the Missile Technology Control Regime, thus making India self-reliant in Missile Technologies."

So, obviously, the journalist got what he said about missile program mixed with LCA.

No it is, like we were unable to buy 100 Avenger drones as MTCR limits sale of drones with >800kmph speed or something like that, so similar may apply on Fighters as well?

 

[no smoking]

No it is, like we were unable to buy 100 Avenger drones as MTCR limits sale of drones with >800kmph speed or something like that, so similar may apply on Fighters as well?

No, drone is categorized under UAVs (unmanned air vehicles) with cruise missile. Fighters are never included in MTCR.

Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) (fas.org)

The fighter is never part of this. One example was Taiwanese FCK-1 which was built completely on US technological assistance from 1982 to 1990 first flight.

 

[IndianHawk]

That is a very interesting argument. MTCR is MISSILE transfer control, how come it affected a fighter jet program?

Furthermore, MTCR was founded and guideline was set in Apr 1987 not 1988, and in Oct 1987 - the design started with Dassault's consultancy, the phase continued to 1988.

And here is what is said about Mr Sarawat in Wiki

"Dr. Saraswat is a forerunner in the development of number of critical missile technologies that were under denial due to the Missile Technology Control Regime, thus making India self-reliant in Missile Technologies."

So, obviously, the journalist got what he said about missile program mixed with LCA.

Why do you even post when you have no knowledge of anything. Many aerospace components and technology are classified as dual use and are under mtcr . Why don't read teb mtcr lists before showing your bafoonary.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Duffer just look at the progress of both the countries in strategic weapons (ballistic missiles, submarines, hypersonic weapons, BMD etc.) In which no foreign help is received You will get to know about the reality.

There is no hidden thing that turkey developed it's defence industry with help of NATO and they still hire thousands of scientists from Europe every year and pay them hefty amount with only condition that they will keep it secret.

Instead of calling other duffer if you had used google you will find most of what you have claimed like ballistic missiles (technical assistance from Russia's NPOM, which also supplied the missile's guidance hardware), submarines (Russian inputs in nuclear reactor design and overall system design), hyper-sonic weapons missile (Engine and probably fuel from Russia), BMD (Assistance from Russia, Israel and France; most notably Israeli help - Swordfish radar), etc. were done with outside help.
Kindly fact check before chest thumping.
No R&D can take place in isolation.

There is no hidden thing that turkey developed it's defence industry with help of NATO and they still hire thousands of scientists from Europe every year and pay them hefty amount with only condition that they will keep it secret.

So what. The end result is what matters and the end result is their products are being accepted by their armed service and also being exported to foreign customers. At the same time our products are not even being inducted by our armed forces.

Amca will be superior to TFX this I can guarantee 110%.

You are guaranteeing about 2 aircraft that are still in drawing board whose detailed specifications are also not out. That tells a lot about your thinking capability.
Funny thing about the above statement was that I remember people comparing and guaranteeing how HAL Tejas is better than F-16.

I don't get one aspect of many people's mentality on this forum, their is no problem/shame in getting outside help/assistance if you don't have in-house expertise. What matters is getting the project completed and commissioned. Over the period you will develop expertise.
Remember the saying Rome was not built in a day.

 

[IndianHawk]

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2021/06/01/national/defense/KFX-jet-prototype/20210601191600302.html

Korean kfx prototype is being dismantled. Seems it was shown too early .

 

[kamaal]

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2021/06/01/national/defense/KFX-jet-prototype/20210601191600302.html

Korean kfx prototype is being dismantled. Seems it was shown too early .

AMCA now looks on track to me.

 

[Killbot]

AMCA now looks on track to me.

How do they hve anything to do with each other?

 

[Lonewolf]

How do they hve anything to do with each other?

Means maybe not rushed up like kf x ??

 

[ManhattanProject]

Means maybe not rushed up like kf x ??

We still shouldnt jump to conclusions, it might actually be for ground testing, who knows?

 

[Lonewolf]

We still shouldnt jump to conclusions, it might actually be for ground testing, who knows?

Maybe but dismantling and re assembling seems a bit of unusual , well they built three prototype ,so some issues with that particular one

 

[fire starter]

Making the Mission Computer Intelligent – A Step Ahead.
This paper presents the approach of applying the artificial intelligence (AI) techniques in the critical mission computer (MC).

cognitive processing in the MC will make MC to act as an electronic crew assistant sharing the workload of the pilot and helping him in severe situations.

It was being developed since 2013 now it's ready.

Making the Mission Computer Intelligent – A Step Ahead | Defence Science Journal

 

[Lonewolf]

Making the Mission Computer Intelligent – A Step Ahead.
This paper presents the approach of applying the artificial intelligence (AI) techniques in the critical mission computer (MC).

cognitive processing in the MC will make MC to act as an electronic crew assistant sharing the workload of the pilot and helping him in severe situations.

It was being developed since 2013 now it's ready.

Making the Mission Computer Intelligent – A Step Ahead | Defence Science Journal

Can it use voice command ???

 

[SARTHAK]

Can it use voice command ???

voice command is being implemented in su 30 upgrade itself

 

[Lonewolf]

voice command is being implemented in su 30 upgrade itself

So here is my real question ,how would it be managed to talk with system and communicate with other pilot and how will be noise cancellation be done for surrounding noise in cockit ,will the cockpit be sound proof

 

[THESIS THORON]

So here is my real question ,how would it be managed to talk with system and communicate with other pilot and how will be noise cancellation be done for surrounding noise in cockit ,will the cockpit be sound proof

it was stated that it has accuracy of 99% for indian accent which is very nice

 

[ym888]

AMCA TFX KFX

Which one will fly first?

 

[Lonewolf]

AMCA TFX KFX

Which one will fly first?

Kfx as a 4.5 gen without internal bays and irst in place of das and pod in place of eots , basically a rafale category but with stealth shaping

 

[Killbot]

AMCA TFX KFX

Which one will fly first?

No offence, but,




Who gives a fuck?

We aren't going to be facing those anytime soon. Even if we do, you think AMCA will be scrambled to intercept?? AMCA is mainly going to be used as a strike platform. ADA will develop AMCA according to timelines and requirements for the Indian forces, not Turkish or Korean. So which one flies first doesn't matter. Neither does whichever one is '''''better'''''', whatever that means. What matters is that AMCA adheres to IAF's requirements. That is all.

I really don't get why people start comparing our stuff with the most random and unrelated stuff possible

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

AMCA TFX KFX

Which one will fly first?

Junk fighter 35!!

Oooo.....yeah it will be the only one to crash