AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Lonewolf]

What will be the range of the AMCA (estimates)? This one is an old estimate...
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What was fuel capacity back then

 

[Tshering22]

Unfortunately defence is the last priority to us and will continue to remain so. Turkey despite being a small troubled economy they are spending billions of dollars on TFX alone every year but here govt is finding hard to clear just 2 billion dollars for AMCA.

Well then get ready for Colonization 3.0.

Simple.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Remind me again, which platform of ours in full induction is 95%+ Indian. Pointing fingers at Turkey is not that simple.

Nobody is pointing fingers Turkey but commenting over AMCA vs TF-X drama. Turkey stands well behind India at least in aerospace sector.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Nobody is pointing fingers Turkey but commenting over AMCA vs TF-X drama. Turkey stands well behind India at least in aerospace sector.

In atleast everything, they can’t make an attack helicopter themselves and then go to Italy to get license to modify A-129 Mangusta into T-129 ATAK and then call it indigenous.

 

[Starlight]

Hey for AMCA, Tejas MK 2, TEDBF Navy/Airforce and future itirations of the respected designs; the canopy at least needs to be a full bubble like an F-22, I really don't like instruments over natural pilot view angles. Even the current Tejas and AMCA designs have the same Eastern block design philosophy of defecting pilots due to too much leeway in design.

 

[IndianHawk]

We are also a much bigger power with a long history in arms than modern Turkey.

- 5th largest economy
- 3rd largest defence spender
- 3rd largest power generator
- 2nd largest population
- 2nd largest military force on the planet.

With these kinds of stats backing us up, it is a shame that we have to be compared to Turkey, which does not even feature in the top 10 in any of these.

What stopped India from rapidly increasing collaborations with Brazil, South Korea, Sweden, Finland, Australia, South Africa, Ukraine, Serbia and Israel for defence production knowledge? What was any government doing for the last 70 years?

Forget that; why didn't the NDA government choose mid-level tech powers to collaborate and instead went about pursuing big ones?

Brazil even approached HAL to buy a stake in Embraer after Boeing backed out of the KC-390 project. And yet there is 0 news about it. Having a say in the KC-390 project is an example of strategic developments that would benefit India.

Instead, Indian government buys weapons like it is buying vegetables at a wholesale market.

India's defense production needs radical, radical reforms otherwise we are done for.

People who compare us to Turkey are idiots. Anyone with even preliminary understanding of technology and aerospace sector is well aware that india is light years ahead of Turkey in most of technological aerospace fields.

Turkey has done good assembly job in barely 3-4 programs which are there priority good for them but there is still no comparison overall.

 

[SavageKing456]

We are also a much bigger power with a long history in arms than modern Turkey.

- 5th largest economy
- 3rd largest defence spender
- 3rd largest power generator
- 2nd largest population
- 2nd largest military force on the planet.

With these kinds of stats backing us up, it is a shame that we have to be compared to Turkey, which does not even feature in the top 10 in any of these.

What stopped India from rapidly increasing collaborations with Brazil, South Korea, Sweden, Finland, Australia, South Africa, Ukraine, Serbia and Israel for defence production knowledge? What was any government doing for the last 70 years?

Forget that; why didn't the NDA government choose mid-level tech powers to collaborate and instead went about pursuing big ones?

Brazil even approached HAL to buy a stake in Embraer after Boeing backed out of the KC-390 project. And yet there is 0 news about it. Having a say in the KC-390 project is an example of strategic developments that would benefit India.

Instead, Indian government buys weapons like it is buying vegetables at a wholesale market.

India's defense production needs radical, radical reforms otherwise we are done for.

Increased budget doesn't matter as long as we have to spend huge in pension,salaries.
Turks have the luxury of small army with sufficient budget for their army.
And despite this Turkey is behind,you can introspect

 

[MonaLazy]

range of AMCA

Pretty recent & comes straight from the horse's mouth..

Tejas done, focus on three other fighter jets: two for IAF, one Navy

Three new fighter jets will be flying by 2026, of which two will be for the Air Force and one for the Navy, Girish S Deodhare, chief of Aeronautical Development Agency of the Defence Ministry, which has designed the LCA, told The Indian Express.

indianexpress.com

 

[IndianHawk]

What will be the range of the AMCA (estimates)? This one is an old estimate...
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3000 km ferry range at least . Which translates to 1500 km combat radius.

 

[Kchontha]

Has the metal cuuting started n let the plane fly. I still have doubt in the timelines.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

People who compare us to Turkey are idiots. Anyone with even preliminary understanding of technology and aerospace sector is well aware that india is light years ahead of Turkey in most of technological aerospace fields.

Turkey has done good assembly job in barely 3-4 programs which are there priority good for them but there is still no comparison overall.

Not quite true. Turkey is quite ahead of us in UAV tech. Their Bayraktar TB2 is quite successful. They also have made huge strides in avionics. Claiming India is light years ahead of Turkey is blind patriotism.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Why AMCA thread has become measuring contest between India and Turkey.

 

[IndianHawk]

Not quite true. Turkey is quite ahead of us in UAV tech. Their Bayraktar TB2 is quite successful. They also have made huge strides in avionics. Claiming India is light years ahead of Turkey is blind patriotism.

Just being successful in one or two niche areas means nothing . If you want the compare compare whole aerospace industry.

Where is Turkish air to air missile ?? We have Astra mk1 operation mk2 to start testing this year. Sfdr tech already tested. When will turkey test sfdr?? In this decade??

Our uttam aesa is already complete and gan based module are nearing manufacturing. Where is Turkish gan based aesa?? Will be ready in this decade??

We have build and inducted full 4 th generation jet in Tejas and developing multiple varients ?? What have turks done other than a drone??

In helicopters too we have own designs and multiple varients from alh to rudra to lch to luh and now imrh and ruav in development. Again what did turkey do other than copy pasting Italian helicopter.

We have civilian jet in work with saras mk2 what does turkey have??

We have build own awacs what has turkey done??

We have world's fastest air launched cruise missile . Turkey has nothing to compare.

We have multiple sam systems of our own akash , Akash ng , vertical launched Astra , mrsam (joint venture), QRsAM and we have a bloody BMD system which only 3-4 countries have managed to develop.
On top of that XRSAM will start test this year , we have tested hypersonic vehicles. What has turkey done in comparison???

Stating facts is not patriotic. It's just pragmatic. Denying facts is stupid. India is facually light years ahead of Turkey in aerospace industry.

I could fill pages if I go into detail and forget about secrecy but what's the point.

 

[SavageKing456]

Not quite true. Turkey is quite ahead of us in UAV tech. Their Bayraktar TB2 is quite successful. They also have made huge strides in avionics. Claiming India is light years ahead of Turkey is blind patriotism.

Bayrakhtar isn't what people claim it to be.
Any armed drone backed by another drone like harop,harpy would cause destruction.
People tend to forget that it was Israeli drones which made ADs sitting ducks and later job was done by bayrakhtar,it's not blind patriotism,it's the truth.

 

[SavageKing456]

I could fill pages if I go into detail and forget about secrecy but what's the point

Secrecy?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Just being successful in one or two niche areas means nothing . If you want the compare compare whole aerospace industry.

Ground reality is that they are exporting drones why we are unable to commission a single drone.

Where is Turkish air to air missile ?? We have Astra mk1 operation mk2 to start testing this year. Sfdr tech already tested. When will turkey test sfdr?? In this decade??

Except for Astra Mk. 1 others are still in development.
Turkey is also developing Bozdoğan (Merlin) and Gökdoğan (Peregrine) for WVR and BVR combat.

Our uttam aesa is already complete and gan based module are nearing manufacturing. Where is Turkish gan based aesa?? Will be ready in this decade??

We have a head start with Uttam AESA but Aselsan is reported to be currently developing an AESA radar.

We have build and inducted full 4 th generation jet in Tejas and developing multiple varients ?? What have turks done other than a drone??

When we started we had no experience in aircraft design still we manage to build Tejas (not taking in account the delays) so why can't Turkey develop 5th generation aircraft. Expecting Turkey to fail or claiming AMCA is superior just because we built Tejas is not rational.

Again what did turkey do other than copy pasting Italian helicopter.

The same can be said about all our ToT projects.

We have world's fastest air launched cruise missile . Turkey has nothing to compare.

Every country build missile as per their requirement. We have brahmos they have SOM and ATMACA.

We have civilian jet in work with saras mk2 what does turkey have??

Lets brag about it once the project completes development and enters mass-production. Saras Mk. 1 ended without success. Their are no points for attempting to build aircraft.

We have multiple sam systems of our own akash , Akash ng , vertical launched Astra , mrsam (joint venture), QRsAM and we have a bloody BMD system which only 3-4 countries have managed to develop.
On top of that XRSAM will start test this year , we have tested hypersonic vehicles. What has turkey done in comparison???

Again every countries develop missile as per their requirement. Turkey developed HISAR, SOR, Mizrak-U, etc. You can google their developments. Turkey is also known to be developing hyper-sonic and BMD weapon.

Stating facts is not patriotic. It's just pragmatic. Denying facts is stupid. India is facually light years ahead of Turkey in aerospace industry.
I could fill pages if I go into detail and forget about secrecy but what's the point.

Thinking Indian defense industry is superior to Turkish industry without objectively analyzing is stupid specifically when Turkish aerospace industry is exporting their products.
Both industry are
Claiming AMCA is superior TF-X because of claim Indian defense industry is superior to Turkish is not pragmatic but plain stupid or blind patriotism.

 

[Lonewolf]

Ground reality is that they are exporting drones why we are unable to commission a single drone.

Except for Astra Mk. 1 others are still in development.
Turkey is also developing Bozdoğan (Merlin) and Gökdoğan (Peregrine) for WVR and BVR combat.

We have a head start with Uttam AESA but Aselsan is reported to be currently developing an AESA radar.

When we started we had no experience in aircraft design still we manage to build Tejas (not taking in account the delays) so why can't Turkey develop 5th generation aircraft. Expecting Turkey to fail or claiming AMCA is superior just because we built Tejas is not rational.

The same can be said about all our ToT projects.

Every country build missile as per their requirement. We have brahmos they have SOM and ATMACA.

Lets brag about it once the project completes development and enters mass-production. Saras Mk. 1 ended without success. Their are no points for attempting to build aircraft.

Again every countries develop missile as per their requirement. Turkey developed HISAR, SOR, Mizrak-U, etc. You can google their developments. Turkey is also known to be developing hyper-sonic and BMD weapon.

Thinking Indian defense industry is superior to Turkish industry without objectively analyzing is stupid specifically when Turkish aerospace industry is exporting their products.
Both industry are
Claiming AMCA is superior TF-X because of claim Indian defense industry is superior to Turkish is not pragmatic but plain stupid or blind patriotism.

I don't know either you are ignorant or trade matter to you more than system capability and indigenous efforts , turkish missile program was assisted by mbda , and other nato players fully .

They are trying to build hurjet but still it haven't been into prototyping stage , theircruise missile are mostly subsonic with european engine , with design similarly to some already existent Design , they don't have a single upper supersonic wind tunnel , neither they have ramjet tech , nor scramjet , nothing yet you believe they can develop bmd , hypersonic , no they don't have theur own seeker , even communication antenna were imported , we are not in nato they are and are more interested in military unlike other smaller memebers of their size .


We have astra mk 2 in deveolpment ,that too with oyr own seeker ,they don't .


Just because they assemble and export , Don't make them superior

 

[Blank]

Ground reality is that they are exporting drones why we are unable to commission a single drone.

Ideaforge SWITCH?

Except for Astra Mk. 1 others are still in development.
Turkey is also developing Bozdoğan (Merlin) and Gökdoğan (Peregrine) for WVR and BVR combat.

NGARM? Brahmos-A?

We have a head start with Uttam AESA but Aselsan is reported to be currently developing an AESA radar.

Tejas is already flying with Uttam. We are working with Uttam MK2 for MWF, MK3 for Su-30MKI, a GaN radar for AMCA! We also sold Swathi radar to Armenia.

When we started we had no experience in aircraft design still we manage to build Tejas (not taking in account the delays) so why can't Turkey develop 5th generation aircraft. Expecting Turkey to fail or claiming AMCA is superior just because we built Tejas is not rational.

Nobody is saying they can't build it. They are saying they can't build it soon enough.

The same can be said about all our ToT projects.

Every country build missile as per their requirement. We have brahmos they have SOM and ATMACA.

Every nation can build Ballistic and Hypersonic missiles?

Lets brag about it once the project completes development and enters mass-production. Saras Mk. 1 ended without success. Their are no points for attempting to build aircraft.

Again every countries develop missile as per their requirement. Turkey developed HISAR, SOR, Mizrak-U, etc. You can google their developments. Turkey is also known to be developing hyper-sonic and BMD weapon.

Exactly. Our requirements are more. So naturally we developed more. It's only natural.

Thinking Indian defense industry is superior to Turkish industry without objectively analyzing is stupid specifically when Turkish aerospace industry is exporting their products.

Since Japan doesn't exports much defence products, so probably they are lagging behind Russia right?

Both industry are claiming AMCA is superior TF-X because of claim Indian defense industry is superior to Turkish is not pragmatic but plain stupid or blind patriotism.

OK boomer.

 

[THESIS THORON]

When we started we had no experience in aircraft design still we manage to build Tejas (not taking in account the delays) so why can't Turkey develop 5th generation aircraft. Expecting Turkey to fail or claiming AMCA is superior just because we built Tejas is not rational.

why is it not rational. we have gained significant exp in tejas mk1 and mk2. we have dev radar absorbing material and the ram which will be used in amca will be of 2nd gen.

what about their erdofucked economy??

they are still devloping aesa radar whereas we have released uttam and we are improving them mk2 mk3
and in next 18 months we will get gan radar also

there are also reports that we have dev eots and das for amca have they??

 

[SavageKing456]

Ground reality is that they are exporting drones why we are unable to commission a single drone.

Except for Astra Mk. 1 others are still in development.
Turkey is also developing Bozdoğan (Merlin) and Gökdoğan (Peregrine) for WVR and BVR combat.

We have a head start with Uttam AESA but Aselsan is reported to be currently developing an AESA radar.

When we started we had no experience in aircraft design still we manage to build Tejas (not taking in account the delays) so why can't Turkey develop 5th generation aircraft. Expecting Turkey to fail or claiming AMCA is superior just because we built Tejas is not rational.

The same can be said about all our ToT projects.

Every country build missile as per their requirement. We have brahmos they have SOM and ATMACA.

Lets brag about it once the project completes development and enters mass-production. Saras Mk. 1 ended without success. Their are no points for attempting to build aircraft.

Again every countries develop missile as per their requirement. Turkey developed HISAR, SOR, Mizrak-U, etc. You can google their developments. Turkey is also known to be developing hyper-sonic and BMD weapon.

Thinking Indian defense industry is superior to Turkish industry without objectively analyzing is stupid specifically when Turkish aerospace industry is exporting their products.
Both industry are
Claiming AMCA is superior TF-X because of claim Indian defense industry is superior to Turkish is not pragmatic but plain stupid or blind patriotism.

Let me know how much of the components of bayrakhtar are Turkish.