AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[kr9]

Data fusion examples....

Does IAF have any data link systems currently in operation?
I know the MKI can act as mini-AWACs, but do we have any system that compiles aircraft data with air-defence, ground radars etc into one synchronized battlefield view?

 

[AbhinavTheBrahmin]

AMCA isn't that easy project...you need airframe that can take any pressure at high G's..
Engines..capable of supercruise wothout afterburners..
stealth
internal weapon bay
missiles shape should be changed for internal bay requirements
Sensor Fusion like missile warning system,IRST,AESA radar,Optronics pod..etc
Data Fusion from different platforms like GPS/IRNSS ground link,data link b/w planes etc...
Code for every thing..estimated would be 6-8 million line(f-22 & f-35 has more than 8 million lines of code)
And lot more...

I Say we should buy rafale F 35 and Su 35 And Reverse engineer them and should incorporate their best features in amca like engine and radar and as india did it with russias sam 2 and now india is very good in missile technology and india has cheap labour as well this should decrease the cost

 

[tharun]

I Say we should buy rafale F 35 and Su 35 And Reverse engineer them and should incorporate their best features in amca like engine and radar and as india did it with russias sam 2 and now india is very good in missile technology and india has cheap labour as well this should decrease the cost

Reverse engineering lane fuselage is fine,but engine is not possible by any means...chinese are trying it for many years but still they are importing engines from russia.
Technology is unique for each plane u can't reverse engineer it....every plane works in different way u need sensors according to it,u need to code it and make it work...This is the only way..
Reverse Engineering saves u time but R&D gives you knowledge...

 

[tharun]

Does IAF have any data link systems currently in operation?
I know the MKI can act as mini-AWACs, but do we have any system that compiles aircraft data with air-defence, ground radars etc into one synchronized battlefield view?

AS of now we don't know the datalinks used in tejas...Hope DRDO,ADA other guys had done some thing

 

[Indx TechStyle]

I Say we should buy rafale F 35 and Su 35 And Reverse engineer them and should incorporate their best features

Dassault Rafael:
Already bought, we gave a small order of 36 jets just like Chinese purchase of Su-35, clarifies intentions.
We can incorporate Rafael's avionics or probably even some designs in AMCA.
Though, Rafael is a fourth generation made for dogfight. It's completely different machine against a stealth fighter. I can't say that it is suitable for making AMCA.
Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker E):
We have bought a similar fighter Rafael. What's need of other similar one?
Plus Chinese have bought the fighter, likely to be transferred to Pakistan, no point in buying it.
LM JSF F-35 (Lighting):
F-35 is itself a fifth generation fighter with high stealth and excellent features.
Instead of copying it, our Air Force will order more for service.
Simply, F-35 will kill AMCA project.
It has already killed Britain's BAE Replica fighter project because British Royal Air Force closes the Replica project after the performance of F-35.

I
in amca like engine and radar and as india did it with russias sam 2 and now india is very good in missile technology and

We are already making our own RADAR "Uttam". For copying engine, it can answer only our one question.

There are 100s of types of technologies and experiences required for aircraft engines which can't be achieved by reverse engineering.
For that, government has revived and rearranged Kaveri Project but first it's smaller dry version will test on AURA (Autonomous Unnamed Research Vehicle), a part of DRDO's USAV (Unmanned Strike Air Vehicle) project.
US has agreed for joint research with India for developing aircraft engines.
We will either have fully indigenous or an imported engine or a JV but not reverse engineering.

india has cheap labour as well this should decrease the cost

Cheap labour is not issue, issue is skilled labour. We are suffering with brutal shortage of skilled labour.
And without skilled labour, you can't revere engineer.

 

[AbhinavTheBrahmin]

Dassault Rafael:
Already bought, we gave a small order of 36 jets just like Chinese purchase of Su-35, clarifies intentions.
We can incorporate Rafael's avionics or probably even some designs in AMCA.
Though, Rafael is a fourth generation made for dogfight. It's completely different machine against a stealth fighter. I can't say that it is suitable for making AMCA.
Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker E):
We have bought a similar fighter Rafael. What's need of other similar one?
Plus Chinese have bought the fighter, likely to be transferred to Pakistan, no point in buying it.
LM JSF F-35 (Lighting):
F-35 is itself a fifth generation fighter with high stealth and excellent features.
Instead of copying it, our Air Force will order more for service.
Simply, F-35 will kill AMCA project.
It has already killed Britain's BAE Replica fighter project because British Royal Air Force closes the Replica project after the performance of F-35.

We are already making our own RADAR "Uttam". For copying engine, it can answer only our one question.

There are 100s of types of technologies and experiences required for aircraft engines which can't be achieved by reverse engineering.
For that, government has revived and rearranged Kaveri Project but first it's smaller dry version will test on AURA (Autonomous Unnamed Research Vehicle), a part of DRDO's USAV (Unmanned Strike Air Vehicle) project.
US has agreed for joint research with India for developing aircraft engines.
We will either have fully indigenous or an imported engine or a JV but not reverse engineering.

Cheap labour is not issue, issue is skilled labour. We are suffering with brutal shortage of skilled labour.
And without skilled labour, you can't revere engineer.

Ok But We Could Force The Air force To Accept Reverse Engineered Products Too As We didi it with the Army or incorporate some of the feature which can be reverse engineered and that could not be done by our R&D

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Ok But We Could Force The Air force To Accept Reverse Engineered Products Too As We didi it with the Army

What we did?

No one can Force armed forces, they chose logistics and equipment themselves. Making reverse engineered project takes time, till then, fleet will be full of F-35.

Navy is good at building warships as they have their own design bureau since 56 years,

Army has been doing good from quite recent, because they have made a design bureau 56 years after Navy, finally.

Air Force is still struggling and we have to pump more funds to run the indigenous programs because they still have no design bureau.

These design bureaus and direct way of interaction between indigenous weapon designers and developers and the armed forces.


Sometimes, design bureaus design weapons even themselves. Hence, they reduce the pressure on PSU's like DRDO, HAL, HSL or private vendors.
Instead of working directionlessly on a foggy picture of weapon, DRDO gets a clear goal about what to make actually and hence, Navy has edge.

 

[AbhinavTheBrahmin]

What we did?

No one can Force armed forces, they chose logistics and equipment themselves. Making reverse engineered project takes time, till then, fleet will be full of F-35.

Navy is good at building warships as they have their own design bureau since 56 years,

Army has been doing good from quite recent, because they have made a design bureau 56 years after Navy, finally.

Air Force is still struggling and we have to pump more funds to run the indigenous programs because they still have no design bureau.

These design bureaus and direct way of interaction between indigenous weapon designers and developers and the armed forces.


Sometimes, design bureaus design weapons even themselves. Hence, they reduce the pressure on PSU's like DRDO, HAL, HSL or private vendors.
Instead of working directionlessly on a foggy picture of weapon, DRDO gets a clear goal about what to make actually and hence, Navy has edge.

We Made Them Accept Insas and Arjun
or incorporate some of the feature which can be reverse engineered and that could not be done by our R&D

 

[Indx TechStyle]

We Made Them Accept Insas and Arjun
or incorporate some of the feature which can be reverse engineered and that could not be done by our R&D

They were derivatives, incorporating only few features, not exact reverse engineering.

 

[Filtercoffee]

Is there a possibility of Boeing TX being inducted to train su 50/AMCA pilots?

 

[AbhinavTheBrahmin]

They were derivatives, incorporating only few features, not exact reverse engineering.

So WE could do something Like That With An Osprey Bro?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Water Car Engineer found something about Engine.

Unfortunately, specs are not available yet.
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[Indx TechStyle]

So WE could do something Like That With An Osprey Bro?

I don't say we can't do, but we need skilled neighbor and make sure that you don't lose your own R&D expertise in dilemma of copying.

Sooner or later, will happen if in our interests. Don't worry.

 

[AbhinavTheBrahmin]

I don't say we can't do, but we need skilled neighbor and make sure that you don't lose your own R&D expertise in dilemma of copying.

Sooner or later, will happen if in our interests. Don't worry.

we should make an small and seperate organization for reverse engineering and i heard india is going to buy osprey

 

[Anirbann Datta]

we should make an small and seperate organization for reverse engineering and i heard india is going to buy osprey

No way. Osprey is a $ gazzler, even YZF-22 takes less $/Hr ( about 45% of its) flying cost.

We can't just allow money to be burned with it.

 

[AbhinavTheBrahmin]

No way. Osprey is a $ gazzler, even YZF-22 takes less $/Hr ( about 45% of its) flying cost.

We can't just allow money to be burned with it.

well we could tax the mosques to get money bro and maybe get some money of pakistan through covert operations

 

[AbhinavTheBrahmin]

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well we could tax the mosques to get money bro and maybe get some money of pakistan through covert operations

and stop giving them money

 

[AbhinavTheBrahmin]

or could

well we could tax the mosques to get money bro and maybe get some money of pakistan through covert operations

give a private company to do it

 

[republic_roi97]

LOL..........................................

well we could tax the mosques to get money bro and maybe get some money of pakistan through covert operations

 

[AbhinavTheBrahmin]

@republic_roi97 where are you bro