ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[johnj]

Well with this tot hals experience will go up hopefully they can upgrade su 30mkis engine's but even if we can isn't testing engines is something we can't do here in India? Wasn't kaveri supposed to go to russia for testing but couldn't cause of war

I think goi ended kaveri pgrm, only kabini further development remain.
No, this experience don't help any improvement, but helps mro, wartime maintenance, to understand manufacturing process of engine, & create jobs.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

I think goi ended kaveri pgrm, only kabini further development remain.
No, this experience don't help any improvement, but helps mro, wartime maintenance, to understand manufacturing process of engine, & create jobs.

Thank you for info but whatever program it is its true that we don't have any means to test engines as of now right?

 

[johnj]

Thank you for info but whatever program it is its true that we don't have any means to test engines as of now right?

We have a lots of means test engines as of now, but not big or high expensive ones. Lets say, for 1 type engine R&D spending billions of $$ for test facilities/beds not a good idea, but in future, MTA/RTA/AMCA/etc etc etc provide more funds to build more high end means to test engines.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

If designing was completed then what major issues did they find that it might take 1 year

Trust me, I believe I have completed the project I am working on, and everytime I believe I am done, another huge problem comes in. As a result, the product is still under validation. While I am working on some complex protocol, designing an fighter is much more complex. Some stuff they can only know after fabrication.

The best companies capture that issues during design phase. But no company I know will induct an fighter in 3-4 years. The GoI has delayed the financial release for the project beyond acceptable delay.

 

[abingdonboy]

Trust me, I believe I have completed the project I am working on, and everytime I believe I am done, another huge problem comes in. As a result, the product is still under validation. While I am working on some complex protocol, designing an fighter is much more complex. Some stuff they can only know after fabrication.

The best companies capture that issues during design phase. But no company I know will induct an fighter in 3-4 years. The GoI has delayed the financial release for the project beyond acceptable delay.

I fear the same fate awaits IMRH and AMCA (especially the engine element). Self reliance is just a political slogan, when it comes to putting money where their mouth is they go meek.

the messed up part is these are PEANUTS to the GoI, the entire cost of LCA+LCA MK.2+Kaveri funding to date is less than they spend on welfare schemes in a 3 month period, maybe even a month’s worth. But the economic multiplier of these projects is gargantuan

it’s really starting to bug me how much spin is going on but the ground realities are not matching up- they create slogans but there’s little that translates into actual orders. Since 2014 there’s not been any major IDDM orders except for LCA MK.1A and P17A that I can count.

 

[Steven Rogers]

I fear the same fate awaits IMRH and AMCA (especially the engine element). Self reliance is just a political slogan, when it comes to putting money where their mouth is they go meek.

the messed up part is these are PEANUTS to the GoI, the entire cost of LCA+LCA MK.2+Kaveri funding to date is less than they spend on welfare schemes in a 3 month period, maybe even a month’s worth. But the economic multiplier of these projects is gargantuan

it’s really starting to bug me how much spin is going on but the ground realities are not matching up- they create slogans but there’s little that translates into actual orders. Since 2014 there’s not been any major IDDM orders except for LCA MK.1A and P17A that I can count.

They couldn't manage to buy Medium multi role fighters other than rafales in small nos, resulting in the decline of squadron strength below 30....8 yrs wasted only in initial gap,single engine multirole and MRFA drama

 

[Whitecollar]

Raw materials comes from Russia, HAL do the rest.
HAL builds su 30 mki engine al31 from scratch. - according to HAL.
But processed raw materials, hot section comes from Russia
HAL also do MRO of al31.
Similar things go with ge414.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I fear the same fate awaits IMRH and AMCA (especially the engine element). Self reliance is just a political slogan, when it comes to putting money where their mouth is they go meek.

the messed up part is these are PEANUTS to the GoI, the entire cost of LCA+LCA MK.2+Kaveri funding to date is less than they spend on welfare schemes in a 3 month period, maybe even a month’s worth. But the economic multiplier of these projects is gargantuan

it’s really starting to bug me how much spin is going on but the ground realities are not matching up- they create slogans but there’s little that translates into actual orders. Since 2014 there’s not been any major IDDM orders except for LCA MK.1A and P17A that I can count.

Well HTT40 has been ordered today. Third major IDDM to be ordered in their term.

But to be fair, our soldiers are better protected with jackets, helmets and stuff compared to 2014. Would give marks on them. But major fund releases haven’t happened.

 

[Vamsi]

Total 10Sqns were planned for Mk-2, initially order will be placed for 6 Sqns and later additional 4 Sqns will be ordered.Total there will be 3 Production lines, with production rate of 24 per annum

16 Countries Interested in LCA Tejas Mk2, Efforts on to Identify Private Agencies to Speed Up Production - News18

The 4.5-generation fighter aircraft, a more advanced and lethal version of the LCA Tejas, is in design and development stage at present

www.news18.com

 

[Sachinananda]

Total 10Sqns were planned for Mk-2, initially order will be placed for 6 Sqns and later additional 4 Sqns will be ordered.Total there will be 3 Production lines, with production rate of 24 per annum

16 Countries Interested in LCA Tejas Mk2, Efforts on to Identify Private Agencies to Speed Up Production - News18

The 4.5-generation fighter aircraft, a more advanced and lethal version of the LCA Tejas, is in design and development stage at present

www.news18.com

That's why we shouldn't trust Indian media
Ab tak mk2 bana nahi test hua nahi lsp aya nahi uspe delay ho raha hai par 16 countries interested hai
Mast mal hai

 

[Vamsi]

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

GE-414 TOT permission letter out within 2-3 weeks by US govt? We'll see.
He is expecting 10 squadrons, 6 in batch 1 and 4 in batch 2. Air Force is not even mentioning the batch 2.
Damn, the wind tunnel testing done abroad requires 1+ year of advance booking. Good to hear that they are considering building those tunnels here.

 

[Vamsi]

GE-414 TOT permission letter out within 2-3 weeks by US govt? We'll see.
He is expecting 10 squadrons, 6 in batch 1 and 4 in batch 2. Air Force is not even mentioning the batch 2.
Damn, the wind tunnel testing done abroad requires 1+ year of advance booking. Good to hear that they are considering building those tunnels here.

my worry is that Amrimutts will have our test data...but the good thing in interview is they are planning to increase production rate to 48...but let's see what's gonna happen

 

[DumbPilot]

GE-414 TOT permission letter out within 2-3 weeks by US govt? We'll see.
He is expecting 10 squadrons, 6 in batch 1 and 4 in batch 2. Air Force is not even mentioning the batch 2.
Damn, the wind tunnel testing done abroad requires 1+ year of advance booking. Good to hear that they are considering building those tunnels here.

why they already aren't here is beyond me.

last time we got sanctioned, all our stuff was seized by the Americans. Why are we taking this risk of taking our stuff there again?

 

[The Shrike]

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American must have finally realised what "100% TOT" means in Indian context from the Russians and French

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

my worry is that Amrimutts will have our test data...but the good thing in interview is they are planning to increase production rate to 48...but let's see what's gonna happen

Production rate 48 a year that sounds like a dream a very sweet dream if that happens I think it will be a really big achievement

 

[Vamsi]

Now I get IAF chief repeatedly saying MRFA,MRFA

 

[Sachinananda]

Now I get IAF chief repeatedly saying MRFA,MRFA

So it's pmo who is sitting on mrfa

 

[thebakofbakchod]

Now I get IAF chief repeatedly saying MRFA,MRFA

Am i hearing this correctly? First flight pushed back to end of 2024?? First flight has been casually delayed by 2 years since last year.

 

[Vamsi]

Am i hearing this correctly? First flight pushed back to end of 2024?? First flight has been casually delayed by 2 years since last year.

it is not delayed by 2 years, it's delayed only by 1 year...it was supposed to happen by Aug 2023, now will happen in Dec 2024