ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Aniruddha Mulay]

ADA said there will be only 4 aircrafts in entire development stage of Mk-2
1 & 2 IOC standard, 3 & 4 FOC standard...

And let me repeat again what PD said, 1st Air Force Serial Production Aircraft will roll out around the time of 3rd Prototype

The order for 108 jets is pretty much confirmed, probably by the time 1st or 2nd prototype enters flight trials, will the orders be placed

 

[johnj]

ADA said there will be only 4 aircrafts in entire development stage of Mk-2
1 & 2 IOC standard, 3 & 4 FOC standard...

And let me repeat again what PD said, 1st Air Force Serial Production Aircraft will roll out around the time of 3rd Prototype

Yes, iff IAF become a part of ADA.
They can only choose how many aircraft they want, not others, may be they are considering their own AF.
Mass production only happens after ioc & ioc given by IAF not ada & iaf need 1sqn for that, hal also need time to process training/maintenance manuals.

 

[Vamsi]

iaf need 1sqn for that,

1st aircraft of that IOC sqn will roll out before 2027, this is what he said.....watch the video in the link

DefExpo 2022: IAF to phase out Mig-29, Mirage and Jaguar fighter jets by 2035; LCA Mk2 will replace them

While six squadrons of the Jaguar fighter aircraft would be retired by 2032 in a phased manner, commencing from 2025, three squadrons of Mig-21 to be retired by 2024, followed by phasing out of three squadrons each of Mirage 2000 and MiG-29 fleets by late next decade.

newsable.asianetnews.com

 

[johnj]

The order for 108 jets is pretty much confirmed, probably by the time 1st or 2nd prototype enters flight trials, will the orders be placed

Not going to happen.
Don't believe every thing ADA saying, listen to HAL or IAF or GoI about mass production.
No ones gives full order of products without testing it.
Lets assume goi going to order 108 jets without tests, then they also orders 200 rafale also.
First, once goi place order hal starts lsp for iaf, and after 1.5 years [delivering 8~12 jets] mass production starts, 16 ~24.

 

[thebakofbakchod]

Thats why the opinion of ADA should be regarded as trash tier. Not a single deadline has been met by them in the last 30 years. I expect the first prototype to fly only in 2025 or 26.

 

[johnj]

1st aircraft of that IOC sqn will roll out before 2027, this is what he said.....watch the video in the link

For testing, key word is ''roll out'' and for ada. Its upto HAL, when first aircraft to iaf ''roll out'' .
First ADA need to fly mk2. In the case of ADA, two things important is roll out & first flight.

 

[mehrotraprince]

Am I daydreaming?

Dr Madhusudana further said that the Mk2 has more indigenous content than the Mk1 and the Mk1A.
"We started with 75 per cent and will reach 82 per cent. The engine will be manufactured in India. In this regard, we had MoU with GE for its manufacturing with 100 per cent transfer of technology. With that, we will be touching over 90 per cent indigenous content," he said.

https://newsable.asianetnews.com/in...jets-by-2035-lca-mk2-will-replace-them-rjzimx

 

[johnj]

Am I daydreaming?



https://newsable.asianetnews.com/in...jets-by-2035-lca-mk2-will-replace-them-rjzimx

No. its true, 100% tot for screwdriving gef414.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Am I daydreaming?



https://newsable.asianetnews.com/in...jets-by-2035-lca-mk2-will-replace-them-rjzimx

Probably the ToT agreements with GE regarding the engine might be another reason for the delay other than the delay in CCS funding.

 

[johnj]

Probably the ToT agreements with GE regarding the engine might be another reason for the delay other than the delay in CCS funding.

I don't think so, GE already working with HAL in maintenance, overhaul & repair of ge 404 & ready to share tech of ge414, after delivering initial batch. South Korea also builds ge engines, & tot comes under 99 ge414 deal.

 

[Sachinananda]

Yes, iff IAF become a part of ADA.
They can only choose how many aircraft they want, not others, may be they are considering their own AF.
Mass production only happens after ioc & ioc given by IAF not ada & iaf need 1sqn for that, hal also need time to process training/maintenance manuals.

We were expecting a bunch of good news in this Expo but God have other wishes

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

No. its true, 100% tot for screwdriving gef414.

Can this tot help us in Kaveri project?

 

[johnj]

We were expecting a bunch of good news in this Expo but God have other wishes

I sees a lots of good news & great works in Expo forum. Anyways orders depends on goi & military.

 

[johnj]

Can this tot help us in Kaveri project?

No.
Hint- Tot to HAL & HAL is not responsible for Kaveri R&D. [but we can benchmark both] HAL builds su 30 mki engine al31 from scratch.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

No.
Hint- Tot to HAL & HAL is not responsible for Kaveri R&D. [but we can benchmark both] HAL builds su 30 mki engine al31 from scratch.

Well that's still good news did this happen today? And this engine will be used for mk2 right?

 

[johnj]

Well that's still good news did this happen today? And this engine will be used for mk2 right?

Its old news, just rewriting & yes used for mk2. HAL starts manufacturing engines once goi orders 108 mk2 & first batch of ge engines arrived in 2019~20 period. GE won 99 engine deal against ej200 with tot for local manufacturing.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

I don't think so, GE already working with HAL in maintenance, overhaul & repair of ge 404 & ready to share tech of ge414, after delivering initial batch. South Korea also builds ge engines, & tot comes under 99 ge414 deal.

I remember hearing quite a lot of news about a few months back whether the GE F414 engines will be imported off the shelf or licensed produced in India, there was quite a lot of back and forth about it.
Glad its finally settled, hopefully this will help HAL is niggling out the issues with the AL-31FP

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Its old news, just rewriting & yes used for mk2. HAL starts manufacturing engines once goi orders 108 mk2 & first batch of ge engines arrived in 2019~20 period. GE won 99 engine deal against ej200 with tot for local manufacturing.

Well with this tot hals experience will go up hopefully they can upgrade su 30mkis engine's but even if we can isn't testing engines is something we can't do here in India? Wasn't kaveri supposed to go to russia for testing but couldn't cause of war

 

[mehrotraprince]

No.
Hint- Tot to HAL & HAL is not responsible for Kaveri R&D. [but we can benchmark both] HAL builds su 30 mki engine al31 from scratch.

Its a myth. HAL only builds cold section of AL31 while hot section directly comes from Russia and finally HAL assembles them. The material used for building cold section of AL31 also comes from Russia.

 

[johnj]

Its a myth. HAL only builds cold section of AL31 while hot section directly comes from Russia and finally HAL assembles them. The material used for building cold section of AL31 also comes from Russia.

Raw materials comes from Russia, HAL do the rest.
HAL builds su 30 mki engine al31 from scratch. - according to HAL.
But processed raw materials, hot section comes from Russia
HAL also do MRO of al31.
Similar things go with ge414.