ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[johnj]

Did anyone tried asking him that can it be sped up if Govt provide enough funds ??

It can happen by 2026 if they got enough funding and enough hours clocked.



Economy of scale.

Let it be 20 for first 3 years.

Mk1a will be delivered by 2029 from that assembly we can have extra 16 MK2.

Nope, best optimic date 2028 for loc, best real date 2030, considering snail phase decision making 2030+ for ioc. full production rate 24/y after foc. with enough funding and with extra 2028 ioc/2030 foc/2032 16/y, 24/y till a dream like 10 trillion $ economy.

 

[NutCracker]

Nope, best optimic date 2028 for loc, best real date 2030, considering snail phase decision making 2030+ for ioc. full production rate 24/y after foc. with enough funding and with extra 2028 ioc/2030 foc/2032 16/y, 24/y till a dream like 10 trillion $ economy.

Thankfully , more headache to decide order size .

Rafale en Indonésie : un nouveau succès pour Dassault et Florence Parly

Dassault Aviation engrange une commande de 42 Rafale pour un montant de 8,1 milliards de dollars en Indonésie. La ministre des Armées Florence Parly a appuyé la vente de près de 200 Rafale depuis son arrivée au ministère des Armées.

www.latribune.fr

with the new contract in indonesia, the rafale production line will be "busy" until 2031

Avec le nouveau contrat en Indonésie, la chaîne de production du Rafale sera occupée jusqu'en 2031. (Crédits : Dassault Aviation)

Put 20% extra Capex and roll some heads .
They have chosen slow timeline because they have only planned to use MK1 assembly for MK2.

 

[johnj]

Thankfully , more headache to decide order size .

Rafale en Indonésie : un nouveau succès pour Dassault et Florence Parly

Dassault Aviation engrange une commande de 42 Rafale pour un montant de 8,1 milliards de dollars en Indonésie. La ministre des Armées Florence Parly a appuyé la vente de près de 200 Rafale depuis son arrivée au ministère des Armées.

www.latribune.fr

Put 20% extra Capex and roll some heads .
They have chosen slow timeline because they have only planned to use MK1 assembly for MK2.

Good for mk1a, additional 2 to 4 sqn.
LCA requirement around 15 sqn -/+ 3.

 

[Javelin_Sam]

Did anyone tried asking him that can it be sped up if Govt provide enough funds ??

It can happen by 2026 if they got enough funding and enough hours clocked

What are you blabbering here? Using funds to speed up testing? Bribe the test pilots and CEMILAC? The test aircrafts have to clock given number of hours for IOC and FOC in the different configurations and also need to validate for the entire spectrum of flight envelope. There is no shortcut here.

 

[NutCracker]

What are you blabbering here? Using funds to speed up testing? Bribe the test pilots and CEMILAC? The test aircrafts have to clock given number of hours for IOC and FOC in the different configurations and also need to validate for the entire spectrum of flight envelope. There is no shortcut here.

Dump your narrow thought process and think.

Won't having extra LSPs help to speed up testing various configurations ??

Won't having extra LSPs help clocking more hours and collecting data for "entire spectrum of flight envelope" ??

 

[johnj]

Dump your narrow thought process and think.

Won't having extra LSPs help to speed up testing various configurations ??

Won't having extra LSPs help clocking more hours and collecting data for "entire spectrum of flight envelope" ??

What if one lsp grounded due a fault ?
More time in testing increases the quality of final product and also search for crash/failware of tejas. Zero crash/minimal issue is very important to ada/drdo.

 

[Javelin_Sam]

Dump your narrow thought process and think.

Won't having extra LSPs help to speed up testing various configurations ??

Won't having extra LSPs help clocking more hours and collecting data for "entire spectrum of flight envelope" ??

The entire point to have just 4 lsp is to speed up the process. Additional lsp will only delay further

 

[NutCracker]

What if one lsp grounded due a fault ?
More time in testing increases the quality of final product and also search for crash/failware of tejas. Zero crash/minimal issue is very important to ada/drdo.

If one LSP is grounded then it doesn't matter if we have 2 or 4, all will be grounded.
But once issue is rectified the ADA/DRDO will get twice the amount of testbeds.

Now if man power is the issue then get the funding hire more aviation data scientists / repairmen.

The entire point to have just 4 lsp is to speed up the process. Additional lsp will only delay further

What i am saying is that instead of having one unit per incremental LSP , they should make 2 .

Instead of inducting missiles one by one , they can simultaneously induct NATO / Russian /Indian origin missiles.

 

[johnj]

If one LSP is grounded then it doesn't matter if we have 2 or 4, all will be grounded.
But once issue is rectified the ADA/DRDO will get twice the amount of testbeds.
Now if man power is the issue then get the funding hire more aviation data scientists / repairmen.

Doubling the effort - good point.
Q- what about the quality, in long run, considering new systems [irst/electronic warfare/sensor fusion/ground collision avoiding/health monitoring etc] ? minimum time required ? thanks.

 

[NutCracker]

Doubling the effort - good point.
Q- what about the quality, in long run, considering new systems [irst/electronic warfare/sensor fusion/ground collision avoiding/health monitoring etc] ? minimum time required ? thanks.

yeah what about them ?? They can be sourced,

Want them to be indigenous ? Same route that delayed MK1a.

Mk2 will have dual pylons so plenty of hard points. It can fly with pod based IRST.

Everything can be done if we stop searching for "PERFECTION".

 

[johnj]

yeah what about them ?? They can be sourced,
Want them to be indigenous ? Same route that delayed MK1a.
Mk2 will have dual pylons so plenty of hard points. It can fly with pod based IRST.

No sourcing, but under development for mwf, some under testing, delayed mk1a due to delay in foc which is due to import stuff and other delay of mk1a due to price and a little delay in decision making, and mk1a undergoing testing phase.
mk2 having integrated irst, and its uses sensor fusion.
Going for new sources, mk2 again goes through redesign phase.
But can do in teddy without major delay.
When mk2 started, it like a mk1 with ge414, now entirely a new aircraft - similar to top f16/sh etc and rafale/eft[ada/drdo].

 

[Flying Dagger]

No sourcing, but under development for mwf, some under testing, delayed mk1a due to delay in foc which is due to import stuff and other delay of mk1a due to price and a little delay in decision making, and mk1a undergoing testing phase.
mk2 having integrated irst, and its uses sensor fusion.
Going for new sources, mk2 again goes through redesign phase.
But can do in teddy without major delay.
When mk2 started, it like a mk1 with ge414, now entirely a new aircraft - similar to top f16/sh etc and rafale/eft[ada/drdo].

Let the nibba... Cook Pulao... And eat alone.

Unwanted headache to deal .

 

[porky_kicker]

Same thing is been done by the RW and the ruling party,however none want to focus on indigenous product....

Do share that since we don't really follow him around.

Having said that we have hounds all around us need to evolve and fight back no escaping that.

Bro what is being done or not done
How can we know and in turn how can we pass judgement

50 years of web of corruption/babugiri/ecosystem cannot be undone that easily
The ecosystem ( in military, bureaucracy, politics, media ) fights back at every step
The bureaucratic process is itself a trap , if you try to bypass it you will be accused of not following procedures and corruption, even if not true it will be milked by opposition, media anti nationals, ex military etc . Which govt will want to risk it ?

In a democracy govt in power must ensure its own survive , if govt don't survive than how will it even try attempting to change the ecosystem, so it tries to go through/with the system while trying to change it , successfully or not that's another matter

Every democracy worthy enough to be called a functioning democracy suffers from this inherent problem

For the other question check the YouTube Q&A videos from Nsharma period onwards, in one of them in reply to a question you will find

 

[omaebakabaka]

Bro what is being done or not done
How can we know and in turn how can we pass judgement

50 years of web of corruption/babugiri/ecosystem cannot be undone that easily
The ecosystem ( in military, bureaucracy, politics, media ) fights back at every step
The bureaucratic process is itself a trap , if you try to bypass it you will be accused of not following procedures and corruption

In a democracy one the govt main priorities is to survive , if govt don't survive than how will it even try attempting to change the ecosystem, so it tries to go through/with the system while trying to change it , successfully or not that's another matter

Every democracy suffers from this problem

For the other question check the Q&A videos from Nsharma period onwards, in one of them in reply to a question you will find

Thats what gulaami influenced bureaucracy does without a feck of consciousness that it is not suited to our society for the most part. IAS, IFS nor NDA or any other have no Bharatized processes that went into it, how can it be after almost 800 years of being under foreigners thumb, we forgot what is ours and salute to this bs. GARbage in mostly results in garbage out with very few good side effects.

 

[Chinmoy]

We're beating around the same bush. Both HAL & IAF are at fault. HAL for usual babu slowness and govt like snail pace and IAF for expecting a very hifi fighter from the get go. Is Tejas good enough to replace aging MiG-21 ? Yes. Is it needed in large nos ? Yes. Then order it in large nos. Sadly this point or line of thinking is absent in IAF and HAL too to some extent

Aren't we all same here?

Recent F-INSAS showed us what our line of thought is. IN in past were inducting ships without weapon and we had issue with that. But IAF wants a fighter with all capability from day 1 and again we have problem with that.

Order for 83 Mk1A was signed even before the planned Python firing was done from it. Onboard gun is still not being tested. After its integration and tests, we have to rewrite the engagement rule book all over again. But I think no one is even thinking about it. All we need to see 123 Mk1A and equal number of Mk2 in service.

 

[NutCracker]

Aren't we all same here?

Recent F-INSAS showed us what our line of thought is. IN in past were inducting ships without weapon and we had issue with that. But IAF wants a fighter with all capability from day 1 and again we have problem with that.

Order for 83 Mk1A was signed even before the planned Python firing was done from it. Onboard gun is still not being tested. After its integration and tests, we have to rewrite the engagement rule book all over again. But I think no one is even thinking about it. All we need to see 123 Mk1A and equal number of Mk2 in service.

Usage of gun comes into the last page of that "rulebook". If they had to write all over again then they are incompetent clowns.

 

[Chinmoy]

Usage of gun comes into the last page of that "rulebook". If they had to write all over again then they are incompetent clowns.

Have you designed or made anything more then a paper plane?

 

[NutCracker]

Have you designed or made anything more then a paper plane?

That's not needed to sense BS that exaggerates the the presence of cannon.

 

[Chinmoy]

That's not needed to sense BS that exaggerates the the presence of cannon.

Ofcourse its needed.

Onboard canon in a fighter is just like a sidearm for an Infantry man. Its the last item anyone would use, but it doesn't mean that you could set aside the sidearm training before giving the badge to the soldier.

We all know what happened with F-35 which is using the same pod-based canon like Tejas.

 

[NutCracker]

Ofcourse its needed.

Onboard canon in a fighter is just like a sidearm for an Infantry man. Its the last item anyone would use, but it doesn't mean that you could set aside the sidearm training before giving the badge to the soldier.

We all know what happened with F-35 which is using the same pod-based canon like Tejas.

Agree it might be needed . But its importance is exaggerated .

Correct analogy would be artillery man carrying side arm. Or bayonet for sniper.