ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[SHASH2K2]

where the hell is LSP-5 ?

Its down to little over a week for the December deadline,

It seems more and more likely it has been delayed 2-3 weeks and pushed to Jan

LSP 5 is up and flying . They cannot test a ll systems on same plane hence they are testing subsystems on various prototypes.

 

[Rahul Singh]

where the hell is LSP-5 ?

Here it is. Note the rudder marking 'KH-2015'.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Wow starboard pylon is empty and port wing's innermost pylon is with 1200 liter drop tank! Asymmetric load configuration is one tough thing to fly with and even today one of the most challenging tasks for any DFCC developing team.

 

[icecoolben]

Pakistan news agency "The Daily News" again taking shots at Indian defense programs and scoffing at "LCA Tejas".


Being an Indian even though it hurts, but the question lingers, do you guys think LCA will be able to reach or surpass Gripen in terms of capabilities as a fighter jet?

http://dailymailnews.com/1210/15/Editorial_Column/DMEditorial.php

First Tejas is not obsolete at all. The aircraft it would be facing on the front are not gripens but JF-17, J-10, F-7. Their technological level interms of avionics, engines, weapons are lower or on par if not better than Tejas. We are not in an arms race with the US and Europe like the soviets were to field the very latest to challenge weapons systems fielded by the technological hegemons. News is that S Korea has diluted its KFX program to a 4.5 gen fighter, so we are on the verge of finishing development of a 4.5 gen fighter when our regional peers have only trampled on one of their own. Turkey is thinking of building a completely national fighter rejecting the Eurofighter offer by Italy to provide low cost complement to F-35. Egypt is reportedly seeking to licence produce JF-17. Inspite of being on the verge of retirement from US inventory, F-16 still scores worldwide sales. In Europe itself, Gripen NG is not going to come anywhere near a clean stealth fighter , so sweden itself won't put up a new aircraft standard for us to follow. If AMCA comes out in 2025, we would surpass Europeon aircraft builders atleast momentarily, till they field an armada of drones, which could be classified 6 generation. Nowadays, econmics has taken precedence over security. The development costs to numbers built don't stack up good for programs like 195 for F-22, 100+ for V-22 etc. So it is wiser to leverage the sunk costs of programs to build cheaper platforms with better capabilities than ones built 10-20 years before. presently Cross border terrorism scores more on national security than external conventional threat. The foot soldier is going to receive the attention he deserves from Europe and to less extent US till Asians can play catch up on other platforms field. I hope I've adequately clarified my position.

Its classic smear campaign. Pakistan is not going to buy any Tejas even if it was a top notch product like the Eurofighter or Gripen, So we are not losing anything by what our adversary opines about our technology. It could dent our image in the image of general public of Indian friendly countries. But then again who are such countries probably Vietnam, Egypt , african countries etc. In such countries levels of awareness of defence tchnologies among general public is very minimal. The people who matter there are the elite of those countries who would be shown around HAL complexes every time they visit India. If India can offer LCA Tejas as a dirt cheap multi-role fighter which can complement or compete with high cost alternatives present or available to their military utility inventory. I'm sure the pakistanis offer the same with JF-17, which is by all standards a F-7 mk-2. Lets play indifferent to people who have just learnt the technology of Licence manufacture. But lets take cues from their confidence that has resulted from Licenced production. They believe now they are on par to critisize us, its time we raised the bar from being a licence producer to systems integrator, then progress towards becoming an innovator in our own right. If in the future, we end up licencing F-35 production by HAL, the blame would have to be squarely on us for missing out on progression from tejas development.

If Indian tejas has to stay ahead of Pakistani JF-17, starting after FOC Astra has to be integrated, Indian large LGBS tested, an astra deriivative with IIR,MMW seeker as short range missiles developed with Tejas as platform, Air launched Helina with 8-10 km has to be integrated, on mk-2 AESA radar devloped should feature, finally after Tejas Mk-2 first batch of F414 engines, the aircraft needs to accept the GTRE-snecma engine. Indian programs should receive continuous backing from the eecutive establishment. so that we become a military power center in our own right. The rheotic for a multi-polar world won't come to fruition until Indian elite can vision a broad view how the country should figure in the future among world powers, or we could feature as a paper power as we have always been and engage in war of words with pakistan in fear of the K-word.

LCA Tejas is not just a techology demonstrator to boast of, it is the means to ride into a club reserved for those exclusive nations, who can dictate terms to their rivals at the edge of the sword.

 

[Pintu]

Picture of Tejas dropped bomb hitting bull's eye, DRDO Picture courtesy Livefist


Hosted in: http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/12/photo-tejas-bomb-trials-on-target.html

Regards

 

[Rahul Singh]

IAF Gets Tejas In One Week

Wohaaa!!!!!!!!!!! What happened to January 10.

 

[ppgj]

IAF Gets Tejas In One Week

that is nice to hear. great work ADA/DRDO/HAL/NAL.

Wohaaa!!!!!!!!!!! What happened to January 10.

i have not seen any ADA/DRDO confirmation of that. so for me IOC remains dec 27. however jan 10/11 could be an official function where a govt minister will witness and dedicate the aircraft. very similar to how flyovers are built and are not thrown to the public till a minister graces the occasion with a speech to boot!!!

OTOH i would like a future double engined scaled up version of LCA similar to M4K vis a vis M2K though M4K was disbanded in favour of Rafale. with great volume of internal fuel and about 12 hard points and an AESA to boot would be a rocker!! would be doable since LCA has a proven design. may be in a 5 year time span. :happy_2:

 

[SATISH]

OTOH i would like a future double engined scaled up version of LCA similar to M4K vis a vis M2K though M4K was disbanded in favour of Rafale. with great volume of internal fuel and about 12 hard points and an AESA to boot would be a rocker!! would be doable since LCA has a proven design. may be in a 5 year time span. :happy_2:

Why do you want something like the M4K instead resources can be spent for MCA.

 

[dineshchaturvedi]

IAF Gets Tejas In One Week

Wohaaa!!!!!!!!!!! What happened to January 10.

That January date is only for official announcement at Aero India 2011. The IOC has already happened.

 

[ppgj]

Why do you want something like the M4K instead resources can be spent for MCA.

a scaled up version has many advantages -

1. invovlves less design work as against a totally new design. advantage/s of being based on a proven design.

2. reduced development time and cost.

3. reduced time on testing as most of the relative parameters are known. though not exactly linear, but to a great extent in the known territory.

4. more of an engineering work than a totally new concept.

5. quick delivery at a competitive price.

6. a great combat platform in the medium category and budget friendly.

however being double engined, that would be the one area which would need focus in design work but with experience, expertise gathered via the original could be done a lot more quickly. though not a cake walk - a time span of 5 years would be doable IMO.

besides non stealth aircraft are not going away for atleast another 3-4 decades. even MMRCA A/Cs are going to go beyond 2040 in IAF. a quick 2 engined scaled up LCA would be more than a match for any 4.5 gen A/Cs like EUROFIGHTER, RAFALE and the rest. it could become a great interceptor and a bomber for deep penetration.

may be it could be powered by Kaveri :happy_2: (if it can achieve a 70+KN wet thrust, a possibility going by the recent advances in high altitude testing in Russia). that would be an icing on the cake. however this is a wish open to change.

AMCA is not going to happen atleast before 2025. possibly 2030 or thereabouts. while that can go on parallely a medium scaled up version in the class of euro canards would be a great addition at a great price.

possible??

yes, i guess.

 

[SATISH]

a scaled up version has many advantages -

1. invovlves less design work as against a totally new design. advantage/s of being based on a proven design.

2. reduced development time and cost.

3. reduced time on testing as most of the relative parameters are known. though not exactly linear, but to a great extent in the known territory.

4. more of an engineering work than a totally new concept.

5. quick delivery at a competitive price.

6. a great combat platform in the medium category and budget friendly.

however being double engined, that would be the one area which would need focus in design work but with experience, expertise gathered via the original could be done a lot more quickly. though not a cake walk - a time span of 5 years would be doable IMO.

besides non stealth aircraft are not going away for atleast another 3-4 decades. even MMRCA A/Cs are going to go beyond 2040 in IAF. a quick 2 engined scaled up LCA would be more than a match for any 4.5 gen A/Cs like EUROFIGHTER, RAFALE and the rest. it could become a great interceptor and a bomber for deep penetration.

may be it could be powered by Kaveri :happy_2: (if it can achieve a 70+KN wet thrust, a possibility going by the recent advances in high altitude testing in Russia). that would be an icing on the cake. however this is a wish open to change.

AMCA is not going to happen atleast before 2025. possibly 2030 or thereabouts. while that can go on parallely a medium scaled up version in the class of euro canards would be a great addition at a great price.

possible??

yes, i guess.

Alright...still am not convinced as I think that AMCA and AURA are far more valuable projects when compared to an upgraded twin engine model of LCA. And who gave you the idea that having a twin engine will be easier to make? It makes the aircraft tail-heavy for starters, and a lot of wing planform design and control surface design changes must be made. Next you need to change the air intake shape so as to provide proper air into the engines. The delta crank must be adjusted in order to accommodate the flight control laws and so on and so forth.

Now you still think that you need a twin engine? this is just the tip of the iceberg that I have told you. There is a lot more to aircraft design than it meets the eye.

 

[duhastmish]

tejas is going good for once, thanks for well needed kick from our defence experts and media to show the inadequate number of aircraft we had.

people should stop talking about mca being more important than LCA. rigt now LCA is need of hour.who knows how much time it will take to come up with a fifth gen fighter of our own.

 

[gogbot]

I remember reading somewhere that the AMCA evolved out of the Twin engine LCA concept.
The twin engine concept was originally proposed due to underperforming Kaveri engines.

Look at the early concepts for the MCA this is very clearly visible

A twin engine LCA seems like your going backwards from AMCA.

 

[Kinshuk]

MCA will take a lot of time to mature, I would be damned if we see its first flight before 2018...

 

[p2prada]

A Twin engined LCA is out of question since it will simply be a whole new aircraft. When we already have the MCA planned, a twin engined LCA will be next to useless.

A slightly heavier modification to the Mk2 would be a better option, but not a necessary option.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

IAF aim is to get MRCA till AMCA develops and ready for replacing MRCA in future..

LCA is a excellent interceptor and perfect as Air defense fighter in future..

FGFA will be IAF heavy fighter same as SU-30MKI MK3..

 

[SATISH]

IAF aim is to get MRCA till AMCA develops and ready for replacing MRCA in future..

LCA is a excellent interceptor and perfect as Air defense fighter in future..

FGFA will be IAF heavy fighter same as SU-30MKI MK3..

No Kunalji....the IAF has something else in mind. It seems like the IAF is concentrating on increasing the combat squadron and is planning to assist/Joust with the IN in the IOR. The IAF has at last realized the threat that we are going to face from the sea in 2 decades and wants to strengthen the bases down in the south also.

Even I had this doubt about the AMCA, LCA MMRCA, FGFA SU 30 and MiG 29 and Mirage fleets were a bit lot. But this shows that IAF now has something else in it's mind.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

No Kunalji....the IAF has something else in mind. It seems like the IAF is concentrating on increasing the combat squadron and is planning to assist/Joust with the IN in the IOR. The IAF has at last realized the threat that we are going to face from the sea in 2 decades and wants to strengthen the bases down in the south also.

Even I had this doubt about the AMCA, LCA MMRCA, FGFA SU 30 and MiG 29 and Mirage fleets were a bit lot. But this shows that IAF now has something else in it's mind.

Their are plans or presently 25 or more Su-30mki capable for deploying Bhramos are under Navy command..

IAF got many plans abt Andaman bases..

But it doesn't change the structure above i explain..

The statements are from Ex-IAF officials in interviews on Vayu Def-mag..

 

[SATISH]

Their are plans or presently 25 or more Su-30mki capable for deploying Bhramos are under Navy command..

IAF got many plans abt Andaman bases..

But it doesn't change the structure above i explain..

The statements are from Ex-IAF officials in interviews on Vayu Def-mag..

No Kunalji...The IAF, IN and SFC have now parted ways totally. Even the IA is mulling for it's own aviation wing. The Su 30s will be in IAF command only and will be requested by the IN if the need arises. It is just like the Jaguar-IM of the IAF. The Su 30 will be for maritime strike role or one squadron for dedicated maritime strike. The force structure of IAF is changing drastically. We need to wait and watch how the events and command structure is unfolding.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The IAF, IN and SFC have now parted ways totally. The Su 30s will be in IAF command only and will be requested by the IN if the need arises.The Su 30 will be for maritime strike role or one squadron for dedicated maritime strike.It is just like the Jaguar-IM of the IAF.

Exactly..

Even the IA is mulling for it's own aviation wing.

IA already have its Air wing, What we need few squadrons of CAS aircrafts..

http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php?t=1332&page=1
http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php?t=15861&page=1
http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php?t=14807&page=1