ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[chex3009]

Pakistan news agency "The Daily News" again taking shots at Indian defense programs and scoffing at "LCA Tejas".


Being an Indian even though it hurts, but the question lingers, do you guys think LCA will be able to reach or surpass Gripen in terms of capabilities as a fighter jet?

http://dailymailnews.com/1210/15/Editorial_Column/DMEditorial.php

Just Ignore them. They even say JF-17 is better than Su-30MKI. This speaks of the knowledge our neighbours have.

 

[maomao]

Just Ignore them. They even say JF-17 is better than Su-30MKI. This speaks of the knowledge our neighbours have.

As you have read pakistans great oxymoron "the daily news" you should have your answers, however, LCA has a lot of state of the art avionics and tech and Mk2 is going to be an improvement, but what about pakistan's Chinese Junk Fighter-17 which was inducted first and being developed latter by the Chinese? LCA will be inducted after being developed, what makes Junk Fighter-17 which does not even have a credible Radar and pakistan was found begging French and British firms for solf loans to provide Junk Fighter-17 with avionics?? Now, after getting all their requests rejected, they have fallen back to inferior/junk Chinese avionics!!:happy_2:

Their F-16 Block 32s are so out-dated that they don't even fly them (Read: Kargil), they have begged US to upgrade them to Block 50s, and I have major doubts about what US will give them? Rest of the PAF is all crap flying around on their faces.....They only bark and beg....thats what pakistanis do...do you still want answers for what shyt they write in Junky Tabloids?:happy_2:

 

[chex3009]

Their F-16 Block 32s are so out-dated that they don't even fly them (Read: Kargil), they have begged US to upgrade them to Block 50s, and I have major doubts about what US will give them? Rest of the PAF is all crap flying around on their faces.....They only bark and beg....thats what pakistanis do...do you still want answers for what shyt they write in Junky Tabloids?:happy_2:

Actually the US is not helping them out with their older F-16s, they have gone to TAI, Turkey to upgrade it.

 

[maomao]

Actually the US is not helping them out with their older F-16s, they have gone to TAI, Turkey to upgrade it.

No bro US will upgrade their F-16 to Block 50s...meanwhile have a look at what they are perfecting and sham pakistani news agencies may publish this as an achievement greater than LCA:


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[chex3009]

No bro US will upgrade their F-16 to Block 50s...meanwhile have a look at what they are perfecting and sham pakistani news agencies may publish this as an achievement greater than LCA:


:happy_2::happy_2::happy_2::happy_2:

I thought PAF F-16s are getting MLU through Turkey and not the US.


Turkish Aerospace Industries to upgrade 42 F-16 jets
| Aug 20, 2008 | Comments 101

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has agreed to upgrade 42 Pakistani F-16 fighter jets.

Negotiations will be done later this year and then the contract for upgrading the F-16 fighter jets will be awarded to the Turkish company.

Such upgrade will boost the Pakistan Air Force F-16's capability close the newer models of the F-16 Block 50 standard.

Four of the 46 Pakistani F-16s are already in the United States for the MLU upgrade, which means that all 46 F-16 Block 15 aircrafts will be upgraded over time.

The upgrading of the 42 F-16s is set to begin in 2009 at TAI facilities near Ankara, Turkey.

In the competition of the deal. TAI was competing against a Dutch company Fokker and a Belgian company, Sabca.

Two of the 42 F-16s to be upgraded at the TAI facility will go for a test verification installation at a Lockheed Martin facility in the United States.

Pakistan issued the upgrading tender after an agreement was signed between Pakistan and United States in September 2007 clearing the transfer of avionics and structural upgrade components.

I got this on the PDF.

 

[maomao]

I thought PAF F-16s are getting MLU through Turkey and not the US.


Turkish Aerospace Industries to upgrade 42 F-16 jets
| Aug 20, 2008 | Comments 101



I got this on the PDF.

Could be but not without US avionics and radar, turkey cannot do it on it own either.

 

[Anshu Attri]

LCA to get its operational clearance in January 10.


http://www.zeenews.com/news674993.html
New Delhi: After nearly three decades of development, India's indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) will obtain its Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) in the second week of January next, taking its last step before induction into the Indian Air Force (IAF).



"The IOC is expected to come sometime around January 10 and it will be witnessed by Defence Minister A K Antony and IAF Chief Air Chief Marshal P V Naik in Bangalore," a senior Defence Ministry official said here today.



Being India's long-time-in-the-works project, LCA design and development by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) was approved by the government in the late 1960s.

Nicknamed 'Tejas' in 2004, the LCA designing had been launched in 1985 by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) under the DRDO with HAL as the nodal manufacturing agency.

With the IOC coming in January, the IAF intends to induct two squadrons of the LCA by the middle of 2011. The IAF had first placed the orders for 40 LCAs in March 2005.

The first 40 LCAs will be powered by the American General Electric GE-F404 engines.

"The LCA will be inducted into the IAF sometime in the middle of next year," Naik had informed an aerospace seminar yesterday.

IAF also has plans to induct five more squadrons (100 aircraft) in the coming years but with a more powerful engine, the announcement for which came in 2009.

The government had a couple of months ago chosen GE-F414 as the new engine for future LCAs after rejecting its competitor Eurojet's EJ200 engine. A total of 99 GE-F414 engines are to be purchased under the deal with General Electric.

The IAF may ultimately have around 200 LCAs (10 squadrons) in its fleet, primarily to replace the ageing Russian MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighter jets.

IAF is likely to base the first of its LCA squadrons in one of the air bases in south India and Sulur near Coimbatore in Tamil Nadu is touted to be that air base.

PTI

 

[Anshu Attri]

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[Rahul Singh]

Being an Indian even though it hurts, but the question lingers, do you guys think LCA will be able to reach or surpass Gripen in terms of capabilities as a fighter jet?

It hurts you, surprised? I don't think Mr Bean show hurts any. BTW, why you think LCA should surpass Gripen, was it build with that in mind? No friend, MK-1 was built keeping in mind the Mig-21 replacement, and MK-1 is a very advance replacement. I believe Mk-2 will be very comparable to Gripen NG in terms of technology but i do not expect it to surpass its specifications unless some radical design change is carried out. But again is there a need? Why the heck ADA will convert LCA into a M-MRCA and what will happen to need for L-MRCAs for IAF? Until the requirements changes i expect HF-XX Tejas MK-2 to remain as a L-MRCA.

Pakistan news agency "The Daily News" again taking shots at Indian defense programs and scoffing at "LCA Tejas".
Indian indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas is already obsolete, even before its induction. India may be dreaming of becoming a world power and definitely behaving like a bully on the block but it has to traverse a long way before it can become one.
http://dailymailnews.com/1210/15/Editorial_Column/DMEditorial.php

What does word OBSOLETE means? The technology which is outdated, right? Yes HF-XX Tejas is obsolete when compared with F-22 but then everything else in world including Rafale and Eurofighter is also obsolete. Is it the case? I think no, certainly not. In military world word obsolete is fairly used when your enemy have advance counter. Since we are talking about Pakistan let me concentrate to JF-17. Who the idiot in the world thinks JF-17 is technologically superior to HF-XX Tejas? The present LCA uses technologies which JF-17 will take years to have. And even if china proposes these improvements, will these beggars have the money? Bl888dy sh888heads and their crap media.

 

[Parthy]

LCA to get its initial operational clearance in January '11

After nearly three decades of development, India's indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) will obtain its Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) in the second week of January next, taking its last step before induction into the Indian Air Force (IAF).

"The IOC is expected to come sometime around January '11 and it will be witnessed by Defence Minister A K Antony and IAF Chief Air Chief Marshal P V Naik in Bangalore," a senior Defence Ministry official said here Thursday.

Being India's long-time-in-the-works project, LCA design and development by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) was approved by the government in the late 1960s.

Nicknamed 'Tejas' in 2004, the LCA designing had been launched in 1985 by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) under the DRDO with HAL as the nodal manufacturing agency.

With the IOC coming in January, the IAF intends to induct two squadrons of the LCA by the middle of 2011. The IAF had first placed the orders for 40 LCAs in March 2005.

The first 40 LCAs will be powered by the American General Electric GE-F404 engines.

"The LCA will be inducted into the IAF sometime in the middle of next year," Naik had informed an aerospace seminar on Wednesday.

IAF also has plans to induct five more squadrons (100 aircraft) in the coming years but with a more powerful engine, the announcement for which came in 2009.

The government had a couple of months ago chosen GE-F414 as the new engine for future LCAs after rejecting its competitor Eurojet's EJ200 engine. A total of 99 GE-F414 engines are to be purchased under the deal with General Electric.

The IAF may ultimately have around 200 LCAs (10 squadrons) in its fleet, primarily to replace the ageing Russian MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighter jets.

IAF is likely to base the first of its LCA squadrons in one of the air bases in South India and Sulur near Coimbatore in Tamil Nadu is touted to be that air base.


http://www.brahmand.com/news/LCA-to...tional-clearance-in-January-11/5832/1/10.html

 

[vijay jagannathan]

Ha! Ha! someone on this forum vouched for dec 27 IOC as a certainity when previous history of promises were a sham. You can be a LCA supporter but please do not fall over doing so.

 

[Anshu Attri]

JUST IN: Tejas jettisons first drop tank over ATR

http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2010/12/just-in-tejas-jettisons-first-drop-tank.html

The word is just out that India's Light Combat Aircraft (Tejas) just jettisoned the first ever drop tank over the Aeronautical Test Range (ATR) in Chitradurga. Sources tell Tarmak007 that the flight was piloted by Gp Capt Suneet Krishna of NFTC and everything went ahead as planned. This is part of the ongoing last-phase trials of Tejas ahead of the IOC on December 27. Will update if any more info drops in.

 

[Rahul Singh]

JUST IN: Tejas jettisons first drop tank over ATR

This is part of the ongoing last-phase trials of Tejas ahead of the IOC on December 27.

Ha! Ha! Someone seems like got confused between official working and its ceremonial extension. CEMILAC registrar putting stamp in front of A.K Antony, WTF!

 

[Shaitan]

NEW DELHI (PTI): After nearly three decades of development, India's indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) will obtain its Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) in the second week of January next, taking its last step before induction into the Indian Air Force (IAF).

"The IOC is expected to come sometime around January '11 and it will be witnessed by Defence Minister A K Antony and IAF Chief Air Chief Marshal P V Naik in Bangalore," a senior Defence Ministry official said here Thursday.

Being India's long-time-in-the-works project, LCA design and development by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) was approved by the government in the late 1960s.

Nicknamed 'Tejas' in 2004, the LCA designing had been launched in 1985 by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) under the DRDO with HAL as the nodal manufacturing agency.

With the IOC coming in January, the IAF intends to induct two squadrons of the LCA by the middle of 2011. The IAF had first placed the orders for 40 LCAs in March 2005.

The first 40 LCAs will be powered by the American General Electric GE-F404 engines.

"The LCA will be inducted into the IAF sometime in the middle of next year," Naik had informed an aerospace seminar on Wednesday.

IAF also has plans to induct five more squadrons (100 aircraft) in the coming years but with a more powerful engine, the announcement for which came in 2009.

The government had a couple of months ago chosen GE-F414 as the new engine for future LCAs after rejecting its competitor Eurojet's EJ200 engine. A total of 99 GE-F414 engines are to be purchased under the deal with General Electric.

The IAF may ultimately have around 200 LCAs (10 squadrons) in its fleet, primarily to replace the ageing Russian MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighter jets.

IAF is likely to base the first of its LCA squadrons in one of the air bases in South India and Sulur near Coimbatore in Tamil Nadu is touted to be that air base.

http://www.brahmand.com/news/LCA-to-get-its-initial-operational-clearance-in-January-11/5832/3/13.html

OMG!:angry_7:

 

[Agantrope]

MODS pls merge this with the existing Tejas Thread!

 

[Shaitan]

:angry_7::angry_7::angry_7::angry_7::angry_7::angry_7::angry_7::angry_7: <<<<<< Sad face

 

[vijay jagannathan]

LCA IOC on Dec 27---- take a break---have a kit kat

 

[neo29]

LCAs ready to be cleared for IAF induction by January

India's indigenous fighter jet light combat aircraft (LCA) – Tejas — which has been in the making for over 25 years now, is finally being readied for induction in the Indian Air Force (IAF). The initial operational clearance (IOC) is expected in early January.

Inching closer towards its induction, the fly-by-wire, multi-role supersonic aircraft, on Wednesday took to the skies to drop a bomb at the newly commissioned aeronautical test range at Chitradurga, some 200 km away from Bangalore.

"This was the last flight of the LCA before it gets an IOC," an official of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) said, requesting anonymity as he was not authorised to speak to the media. "The IOC would pave the way for its induction into the IAF," he added.

Only after the IOC, can a "weaponised" aircraft be handed over to the IAF for squadron duty. The IAF has placed orders for 20 LCAs.

In the run up to the clearance, Tejas has completed all test points for low level flights, off the coast of Goa. It has also conducted operations in the extreme climate of Leh and operated from an IAF airbase in the southwestern air command area.

"At first four aircraft will operate from Bangalore," an IAF officer said. "If there are any teething problems, they could be rectified by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL)," the officer said.

The first LCA squadron would be raised in Sulur air base in Tamil Nadu. The current version of Tejas fighter is equipped with a single GE F404 afterburning turbofan engine developed by General Electric Co (GE).

The LCA programme was launched in 1983 primarily to replace the Russian vintage MiG-21 combat jets which had to be replaced by the 1990s. However, chronic delay in the LCA programme ensured that IAF could maintain only 33.5 squadrons instead its sanctioned strength of 39. This also delayed the phasing out of MiG-21s or "flying coffins", as they are called, because of their poor safety record.

The IAF had also looked for foreign vendors to provide 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA).

The first prototype Tejas took off only in 2001, however, the inability of research bodies to provide engines with the right configuration failed to provide the requisite thrust.

The indigenous Kaveri engine has been under development since 1986 at the Bangalore-based Gas Turbine and Research Establishment (GTRE). According to estimates the Kaveri engine would be installed on the LCA only by 2012 and that, too, at a revised cost of Rs 2,839 crore, almost eight times the projected development cost of Rs 382 crore in 1989.

The delay also caused a cost escalation in the LCA project. The final cost of the project is Rs 5,777.56 crore against the initial cost of Rs 3301.78 crore.

idrw.og

 

[Anshu Attri]

ADA confirms Tejas LSP-3 jettisoned a 1200-litre drop tank over ATR

http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2010/12/ada-confirms-tejas-jettisons-1200-litre.html

Jettisonable drop tanks are carried by a combat aircraft, after completing the mission are required to be dropped from the mother aircraft for a quick get away from the enemy territory and other emergency situations. To ensure safety of flight, clean separation of the tank with adequate clearances from the mother aircraft or neighboring stores need to be established from flight test. This extremely safety critical flight test requires thorough planning and preparation supported by theoretical analysis and a level of verification of the predictions through ground tests on specialized test rigs set up for this purpose.
The theoretical predictions were further verified through what is called 'Pit drop tests' conducted on a test specimen using specially designed test rig with part of the aircraft system and high speed photography system integrated with it. The test cases covered a member of conditions such as empty, partial and full drop tanks as well as different Ejector Release Unit (ERU) settings.
The flight test were planned by the National Flight Test centre (NFTC), ADA at certain representative critical release condition. Considering the safety critical nature of this test, a safety review was conducted at NFTC to ensure all foreseeable safety issues were taken care of before embarking on this important test. To capture the flight data, a dedicated and specialized Airborne Separation Video System (ASVS) is installed on the Test aircraft. The system comprised of very high speed digital cameras installed in a specially designed camera pod and linked to a Multi System Controller (MSC) installed onboard the aircraft. The MSC gets a pulse from trigger to jettison the tank where upon the cameras are switched on in a pre-determined sequence to capture this critical event.
Mr PS Subramanyam, Programme Director (CA) and Director, ADA told "the 1200 Ltr drop tank jettison trial was conducted on 17 December 2010 at a critical point in the jettison envelope on Tejas LSP-3 aircraft piloted by Gp Capt Suneet Krishna. The trial was conducted over the recently commissioned NFTC Air to ground range at Chitradurga. The trial aircraft was escorted by another Tejas PV-2 which captured the external video picture of the drop tank trajectory after release".
Dr Prahlada, CC-R&D (Ae-SI) – DRDO opined "with such test experiments made by the team, the aeronautical test range facility at Challakere has paved the smooth way for subsequent trials of different natures. He also said that if this facility were not to be commissioned at Challakere, all such flight tests would have to be carried on either at Hyderabad or Pokran. In view of the close proximity to Challakere to Bangalore it was more comfortable in conducting the test flights by the dedicated team the process of which could be monitored from Bangalore".
The successful trial is the result of orchestrated team effort on the part of different organizations and specialists involved in this prestigious national programme- yet another feather on the decorated cap of the 'Team Tejas.'

 

[gogbot]

where the hell is LSP-5 ?

Its down to little over a week for the December deadline,

It seems more and more likely it has been delayed 2-3 weeks and pushed to Jan