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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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Recently news came about exporting LCA to the nation (who will buy 5th gen fighter jet ) in the lead in trainer category .LCA which is 4.5 gen fighter can be consider as 5+ gen trainer aircraft. In 2012 Germany showed interest in buying tejas in lead in trainer category.
Apart from this india can export LCA to isreal as it is going to induct it's 1st 5th gen f35 jets
 
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Why do you think MOD will not place LCA Tejas orders?? Which country will supply a similar plane at $24M???
from all i see around IAF or MOD does not want to help HAL thats y i said.. if the govt gifts 2 sqadrons to afgan.. its an order of atleast 30 aircraft. with the IAF order it could give some help boost HAL hopes.. and IAF cant comeback and say its a bad aircraft as another user is available... IF germany or Isrel buys it even better
 

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Good News ..

"The combat aircraft has been integrated with radars and sensors for flight operations. We have also equipped Tejas with electronic warfare to fire rockets, laser guided bombs and beyond visual range missiles," Tamilmani said on the margins of the 28th National Convention of Aerospace Engineers here.
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Concerns :

As the state-run defence behemoth Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has an installed capacity to roll out only four-eight LCAs a year, while the IAF needs 20 fighters annually for early induction and formation of Tejas squadrons, the scientist said the private sector should be allowed to augment production after technology transfer.
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Its better if they announce the second production facility ..

Final operational clearance for LCA in June 2015 | Business Standard News
 

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Its better if they announce the second production facility ..
Kunal they will. There are a lot of hurdles to cross. The government may first approve increased capacity at HAL.
The private players are being roped in in light helicopter, transport plane, and submarine projects. The government need successes to take the momentum further.
 

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Parrikar's Priority - The New Indian Express

Parrikar's Priority

Defence minister Manohar Parrikar has three things going for him. First, he has prime minister Narendra Modi's confidence. Two, he is an IIT engineer and able to digest the technical aspects and imperatives of national security better than the generalist civil servants in the ministry of defence (MoD). And three, he may have an instinctive understanding of national security considering he was chief minister of a small coastal state with big naval presence (which, after mining and tourism, perhaps, pumps in the most money into Goa's economy).

There are many issues he will have to deal with on an urgent basis. But nothing is more important than for this country to produce the weapons it needs. Self-sufficiency in arms has to date been mostly political rhetoric and indigenisation is reduced to passing off licence manufacture of foreign weapons systems by defence public sector units (DPSUs) as a great leap in self-reliance. Instead of the government insisting that the military assist the Indian defence industry to obtain its requirements at home, it has left it to individual services to decide whether to participate in indigenous design, development, and production schemes. Navy showed its earnest long ago with a warship and submarine design directorate.

The air force and army are way behind, with the former displaying distrust in extremis of home-made aircraft even after the Marut HF-24 showed it could be done 50 years back, and the Tejas light combat aircraft is a beautiful fighter plane. According to Pushpindar Singh, agent for Dornier, the German aviation sector was so impressed it offered to jointly develop the latter aircraft. With the lack of foresight the Indian government is known for the MoD, of course, declined just as it had done the offer by Bonn in the Sixties to co-develop the Marut! The import option has proved a bonanza for foreign defence suppliers, providing foreign countries the handle to influence Indian foreign and military policies by manipulating, especially during crises, the supply of spares.

Parrikar's predecessor, Arun Jaitley, decided boldly on the indigenous manufacture of the Project 75i conventional submarine, rejecting MoD's attempt to take the private sector major, Larsen & Toubro (L&T), out of the running by suggesting it move its main production base to Hazira—a techno-economic decision it was incompetent to make, had no business to try imposing on L&T, and was plainly designed to favour the low-productivity DPSU Mazgaon Dockyard Ltd (MDL), which has huffed and puffed and run up huge cost and time over-runs in assembling the French Scorpene submarine. It is hardly to be wondered that the ideologically blinkered Congress defence minister, A K Antony, didn't see the logic of entrusting L&T producing the technically challenging Arihant-class nuclear-powered nuclear ballistic missile-firing submarine (SSBN) with the manufacture of the far simpler diesel submarine!

In any case, Jaitley's decision to have DPSUs compete with L&T and Pipavav Shipyard, and give the winning bidder the full contract for six submarines and the freedom to choose a foreign partner (because the navy's diffident submarine design needs hand-holding) can be the model for Parrikar deciding to produce the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) at home and give a fillip to India's aircraft industry. Such an industry has been prevented from emerging by the IAF preferring imported fighter planes and, another DPSU, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, like MDL, specialising in screwdriver technology, manufacturing them under licence.

Parrikar will, however, have to first terminate the negotiations for Rafale. It is a buyer's market and Paris can ill-afford anger and damage the prospects of French firms losing out on potential partnerships with Indian companies to produce weapons systems in toto in India. Such a decision will oxygenate the Tejas light combat aircraft programme, particularly if it is combined with the speedy approval of the upscaled Tejas Mk-II design—the Advanced MMRCA (AMMRCA) project, which has been finalised by the Aircraft Development Agency (ADA).

As in the case of the 75i submarine, it is the more efficient and capable private sector who should be lead contractor and prime integrator on the AMMRCA with ADA design and production technologies transferred to it, so that the 15-year timeline for induction is met. Indeed, the country is farther ahead in the realm of combat plane production than of diesel submarines, considering the technology is indigenous and ingested, the design is ready as are the tooling and manufacturing processes for the Tejas series. To ensure success, however, Parrikar will have to make the IAF responsible for the success of the project and bringing the AMMRCA in on time and within cost. This is a larger, truly 5th generation, warplane with the fully composite fuselage and leading edges, higher ordnance-carrying capacity, and more advanced avionics compared to the Rafale straddling the 3rd and 4th generations of fighter aircraft dating to the 1980s.

That India even shortlisted Rafale, a day-before-yesterday's plane for tomorrow's needs, and has made ready to spend in excess of $30 billion over the next 30 years when a home-grown alternative is available, shows how skewed the procurement system has become and which Parrikar will have to right on a war footing. He can show India's resolve to be self-sufficient in arms and invest such vast sums, in line with Modi's "Make in India" policy, with a design-to-delivery AMMRCA product and thus power the Indian aviation sector with private companies permitted to utilise the under-used wherewithal of the DPSUs. Or, Parrikar can funnel the `1,80,000 crore into helping Paris recover its investment in the prohibitively expensive Rafale programme that has found no other buyers and keeping the French company, Dassault, financially afloat. What makes more sense doing?

Parrikar should not be intimidated by IAF's media orchestrated squawking about depleted combat aircraft strength, especially when there's a ready solution the IAF is loath to pursue to meet short-term needs, namely, buying more Su-30s, MiG-29Ms, and sprucing up their spares situation. The AMMRCA at the top end and the Avro 748 medium transport replacement and the army's requirement for 197 light helicopters in its train will help consolidate a strong aerospace sector that India has waited too long for.

The author is professor at the Centre for Policy Research and blogs at Security Wise | Bharat Karnad – India's Foremost Conservative Strategist
 

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Tejas PV6, 2-seater trainer,Final version takes to skyin maiden flight

Final version of Tejas PV6, 2-seater trainer takes to sky in maiden flight

Nov 9, 2014, 12.30AM IST




NEW DELHI: The final version of the two-seater (trainer) version of Tejas (PV-6) made its maiden flight today, in a milestone for India's overall indigenous Light Combat Aircraft Tejas Programme.

The aircraft took to the skies at 13.36 PM and was piloted by Group Captain Vivart Singh along with Group Captain Anoop Kabadwal. :cool2: This is the 16th Tejas variant to have flown as part of the project that has been in the pipeline for over two decades. :cool2:

The PV6 has absorbed all the major design modifications undertaken during the last 2,500-plus flights in the programme.

This is the final prototype and will lead to final production of the trainer aircraft.

The aircraft has a new communication system, radar, EW sensors and new navigation systems for automatic landing.

Dr Avinash Chander, DRDO chief congratulated the Tejas team on achieving the success and said "having achieved success in indigenous design and development of Tejas in both its combat and trainer versions, its production and induction will add a new strength to make-in-India campaign".

Today's flight is the culmination of efforts of ADA, HAL, CEMILAC, DG AQA, Indian Air Force and other DRDO & CSIR organisations.

The Light Combat Aircraft Tejas Programme is the biggest project that Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is working on.

The project, since its inception in 1983, has faced many challenges, largely because of santions following India's nuclear test in 1998 and the fact that this is India's first attempt to make a combat aircraft.

IAF has ordered 40 LCA Mk 1 aircraft and is likely to induct five more squadrons of an advanced version of the aircraft being developed by DRDO and HAL.

The aircraft had received initial operational clearance last year and has to get the FOC in next few months before it starts operational flying.

Source: Final version of Tejas PV6, 2-seater trainer takes to sky in maiden flight - Economic Times

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Re: Tejas PV6, 2-seater trainer,Final version takes to skyin maiden fl

Final version of Tejas PV6, 2-seater trainer takes to sky in maiden flight

Nov 9, 2014, 12.30AM IST




NEW DELHI: The final version of the two-seater (trainer) version of Tejas (PV-6) made its maiden flight today, in a milestone for India's overall indigenous Light Combat Aircraft Tejas Programme.

The aircraft took to the skies at 13.36 PM and was piloted by Group Captain Vivart Singh along with Group Captain Anoop Kabadwal. :cool2: This is the 16th Tejas variant to have flown as part of the project that has been in the pipeline for over two decades. :cool2:

The PV6 has absorbed all the major design modifications undertaken during the last 2,500-plus flights in the programme.

This is the final prototype and will lead to final production of the trainer aircraft.

The aircraft has a new communication system, radar, EW sensors and new navigation systems for automatic landing.

Dr Avinash Chander, DRDO chief congratulated the Tejas team on achieving the success and said "having achieved success in indigenous design and development of Tejas in both its combat and trainer versions, its production and induction will add a new strength to make-in-India campaign".

Today's flight is the culmination of efforts of ADA, HAL, CEMILAC, DG AQA, Indian Air Force and other DRDO & CSIR organisations.

The Light Combat Aircraft Tejas Programme is the biggest project that Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is working on.

The project, since its inception in 1983, has faced many challenges, largely because of santions following India's nuclear test in 1998 and the fact that this is India's first attempt to make a combat aircraft.

IAF has ordered 40 LCA Mk 1 aircraft and is likely to induct five more squadrons of an advanced version of the aircraft being developed by DRDO and HAL.

The aircraft had received initial operational clearance last year and has to get the FOC in next few months before it starts operational flying.

Source: Final version of Tejas PV6, 2-seater trainer takes to sky in maiden flight - Economic Times

@pmaitra, @Kunal Biswas , @Ray, @roma, @cobra commando, @AVERAGE INDIAN, @bhramos, @all other awesome people in here
Well mera naam yaad nahi hai kya??
 
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Re: Tejas PV6, 2-seater trainer,Final version takes to skyin maiden fl

IAF is doing its best scuttle LCA-1 induction. This trainer version will meet the same fate. Unless the Defence Ministry takes Rafale deal off the table, there is no chance of any significant success for LCA -1, its new trainer version or LCA-2. It is demoralizing to the scientists and engineer working on it. Do not tell me that $2.5 billion spent on its development over 20 years is net waste. It is not. Imagine $400 billion spent on F-35 over twenty years with practically getting half the aircraft as originally envisaged by US is not waste.

The arms merchants lobby would like to dump the LCA, but dependence on imports and spare parts be a better deal for next generation of indian citizens. It will be loss of pride.
 
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Till now total capital invested in f 35 has crossed 1 trillion dollar mark.so 2.5 b USD is very inferior to that .apart from that the unit cost of tejas 30 is million USD which is half the cost of Sweden gripen fighter jet.
 

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IAF is doing its best scuttle LCA-1 induction. This trainer version will meet the same fate.
This is not true. IAF needs a certain number of units to form a squadron. These units have not been delivered to IAF.
IAF has already given IOC-2 to Tejas. Now MOD has to deliver 20 units of IOC-2 level fighters to IAF.
We should not blame IAF unnecessarily.

Rafale is a totally different game. Rafale is now competing against FGFA.
 

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Till now total capital invested in f 35 has crossed 1 trillion dollar mark.so 2.5 b USD is very inferior to that .apart from that the unit cost of tejas 30 is million USD which is half the cost of Sweden gripen fighter jet.
The cost of FOC level fighters is not yet worked out. IOC-2 level fighter currently being built cost much less than 30M.
 

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Re: Tejas PV6, 2-seater trainer,Final version takes to skyin maiden fl

This is not true. IAF needs a certain number of units to form a squadron. These units have not been delivered to IAF.
IAF has already given IOC-2 to Tejas. Now MOD has to deliver 20 units of IOC-2 level fighters to IAF.
We should not blame IAF unnecessarily.

Rafale is a totally different game. Rafale is now competing against FGFA.
Sir,

You are wrong,they are in different class.

Reply of the Government
The IAF is presently at a critical stage of its capability building
with a large number of projects at various stages of implementation. The
capability building of IAF includes induction of state of the art modern
equipment and also upgradation of the existing aircraft and systems to
boost their operational capabilities and ensure operational relevance.
A number of procurements are in the pipeline that would enable
increasing the strength of combat squadrons to the desired level to meet
the security challenges. The planned induction of fighter aircraft include
Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), Light Combat Aircraft
(LCA), Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) and Additional
Su-30 MKI. The Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) proposal
is at the stage of Contract Negotiation and induction of the aircraft is
planned between 03 to 11 years after signing of the contract. The
Government has entered into an agreement with the Russian Government
to jointly develop a Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). The FGFA
induction in the IAF is expected from the 13th Plan onwards. With these
inductions, the IAF is likely to reach the strength of 45 squadrons by the
end of the 15th Plan.


http://164.100.47.134/lsscommittee/Defence/15_Defence_19.pdf
 

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FOC and IOC are parameters and should not be compared with aircraft`s present capabilities ..

You should read, PV6 is final trainer version of Tejas and same as production version ..

The cost of FOC level fighters is not yet worked out. IOC-2 level fighter currently being built cost much less than 30M.
 

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Re: Tejas PV6, 2-seater trainer,Final version takes to skyin maiden fl

@ghost, this is a routine communique.
 
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