ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[archie]

Maybe the govt finally has given a free hand to the research teams and no road blocks?? i wish it was true and get the plan inducted soon

 

[Kharavela]

If true, it's very much encouraging news. Every informed & patriotic Indian is longing to see LCA forming the backbone of IAF.

 

[power_monger]

Presently i am in Bangalore and I had been going to the IAF command hospital for the past two weeks. I stay right behind the HAL old airport and I go to the command hospital through the road behind the HAL and DRDO and Center for Air Borne Systems. I see 4-5 sorties of LCA everyday. Even the jet boom is audible everyday. Previously there was no sorties being done everyday. But from last 2 weeks everyday 4-5 sorties are being done. Any special reasons? Can we hope that LCA will be inducted in large numbers?

This is the new found urgency to get LCA FOC.

 

[Abhi9]

Nostalgia

 

[Kunal Biswas]

the following has been written by joseph chacko,writer for Frontier India,who visited INS Vikramaditya today,he wrote thus in bharat rakshak forum

Guy's.

Food = Good. I enjoyed it.

CIWS. CIC WNC says that they have taken the measurements etc. Then another source said that Kasthan is old technology and hence not in Vik. CIWS from Israel, Russia etc are being evaluated.

All MiG-29K pilots are sent to US for basic courses. They gat a lot of flying hours including 10 landings on US Carriers.

Lightening pod begins integration. But it depends on Russian Mission Computer.

EW suite is ELTA suppression pod. Then they have Tarang Mk 1b. M2 to be installed after being proved.

Sorties number in war time is same as given. However, they feel that not more than 8 aircraft's will be required to be in air.

Shore Based STOBAR is on with construction. However, the landings with arrester bar is already in operation. NLCA has performed arrester trials with success. NLCA is too pre mature to be talked about.

 

[ersakthivel]

Investigate Air Cmde Khokhar's death | Security Wise

Air Cmde Pervez Hamilton Khokhar's gruesome death in a gated community in Bangalore is not some off-way crime, but may be something lot more sinister. This stalwart of the Tejas LCA programme — its former director — was still helping out, his expert advice sought to fine tune the design and in its translation to production. Those in the know say his murderers were after documents they thought he might have at his home or for information he was unwilling to part with. There have been other such incidents in the past. Such as the murder in suspicious circumstances some years back of the chief engineer as also the chief artificer in the submarine building group at Vizag, who were then involved in constructing the Arihant SSBN.

The fact is a lot of engineers and scientists working on sensitive projects have been bumped off, and there's not a murmur out of government circles. This is not the stuff for the local police to investigate but murder for the National Investigation Agency (NIA) to take up. Why are our people such as Khokar left vulnerable, why is there no NIA team attached to sensitive projects? Attachment of FBI agents to highly-sensitive US projects is the norm. In the UK, Special Branch agents cover critical projects. Why is there no such arrangement in India? Shouldn't NIA be tasked with the protection of prized Indian talent? One way to cripple a country's advance is, quite literally, to kill off its talent. The Indian Govt and NIA better get on, and stay on, the job, fast.

 

[ersakthivel]

Parrikar’s Priority | Security Wise

The air force and army are way behind, with the former displaying distrust in extremis of home-made aircraft even after the Marut HF-24 showed it could be done 50 years back, and the Tejas light combat aircraft is a beautiful fighter plane. According to Pushpindar Singh, agent for Dornier, the German aviation sector was so impressed it offered to jointly develop the latter aircraft. With the lack of foresight the Indian government is known for the MoD, of course, declined just as it had done the offer by Bonn in the Sixties to co-develop the Marut! The import option has proved a bonanza for foreign defence suppliers, providing foreign countries the handle to influence Indian foreign and military policies by manipulating, especially during crises, the supply of spares.

Parrikar will, however, have to first terminate the negotiations for Rafale. It is a buyer's market and Paris can ill-afford anger and damage the prospects of French firms losing out on potential partnerships with Indian companies to produce weapons systems in toto in India. Such a decision will oxygenate the Tejas light combat aircraft programme, particularly if it is combined with the speedy approval of the upscaled Tejas Mk-II design—the Advanced MMRCA (AMMRCA) project, which has been finalised by the Aircraft Development Agency (ADA).

As in the case of the 75i submarine, it is the more efficient and capable private sector who should be lead contractor and prime integrator on the AMMRCA with ADA design and production technologies transferred to it, so that the 15-year timeline for induction is met. Indeed, the country is farther ahead in the realm of combat plane production than of diesel submarines, considering the technology is indigenous and ingested, the design is ready as are the tooling and manufacturing processes for the Tejas series. To ensure success, however, Parrikar will have to make the IAF responsible for the success of the project and bringing the AMMRCA in on time and within cost. This is a larger, truly 5th generation, warplane with the fully composite fuselage and leading edges, higher ordnance-carrying capacity, and more advanced avionics compared to the Rafale straddling the 3rd and 4th generations of fighter aircraft dating to the 1980s.

That India even shortlisted Rafale, a day-before-yesterday's plane for tomorrow's needs, and has made ready to spend in excess of $30 billion over the next 30 years when a home-grown alternative is available, shows how skewed the procurement system has become and which Parrikar will have to right on a war footing. He can show India's resolve to be self-sufficient in arms and invest such vast sums, in line with Modi's "Make in India" policy, with a design-to-delivery AMMRCA product and thus power the Indian aviation sector with private companies permitted to utilise the under-used wherewithal of the DPSUs. Or, Parrikar can funnel the `1,80,000 crore into helping Paris recover its investment in the prohibitively expensive Rafale programme that has found no other buyers and keeping the French company, Dassault, financially afloat. What makes more sense doing?

Parrikar should not be intimidated by IAF's media orchestrated squawking about depleted combat aircraft strength, especially when there's a ready solution the IAF is loath to pursue to meet short-term needs, namely, buying more Su-30s, MiG-29Ms, and sprucing up their spares situation. The AMMRCA at the top end and the Avro 748 medium transport replacement and the army's requirement for 197 light helicopters in its train will help consolidate a strong aerospace sector that India has waited too long for.

 

[cobra commando]

20-30 Tejas aircraft to be commissioned soon: Manohar Parrikar - The Economic Times

 

[lcafanboy]

This is for HAL.

WHERE ARE SP1, SP2, SP3, SP4? THESE WERE PROMISED TO BE DELIVERED BY MARCH. DON'T YOU PEOPLE HAVE ANY SENSE OF URGENCY? IT IS HIGH TIME THESE QUOTA COMPANY WITH QUOTA ENGINEERS AND SCIENTIST (DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD CALL THEM ONE AS THEY GOOD WITH BROOMS ONLY) SHOULD BE DIVESTED, IT SHOULD BE SPLIT INTO A HELICOPTER COMPANY, A FIGHTER MAKING COMPANY, AERO ANCILLARY AND PARTS COMPANY AND OTHER SEPARATE COMPANIES. AND THEN SHOULD BE DIVESTED TO PRIVATE COMPANIES LIKE TATA, RELIANCE, MAHINDRA AND TANEJA, ETC. FOR MMRCA WE SHOULD DEFINITELY NOT THINK OF HAL AS THEY WILL DELIVER ALL THE FIGHTERS BY 2050 AT THIS SPEED WHEN WHOLE WORLD WILL BE OPERATING TH GENERATION FIGHTERS AND WILL BE LAUGHING AT US. WANT PROOF HALL DELIVERED LAST JAGUAR IN 2008 WHEN WORLD HAS MOVED TO 4.5 G AND 5TH GENERATION FIGHTERS. DASSAULT IS RIGHT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DELIVER FIGHTER IN SAID TIME. MODI GOVERNMENT SHOULD LIT FIRE BELOW THEIR ASSES ONLY THEN THESE PEOPLE WILL PERFORM.

EVEN THE SP1 IS NOT HANDED OVER TO THE IAF. IT IS STILL NOT PAINTED, NOT FULLY TESTED, SHOW WHAT KIND OF WORK CULTURE THEY HAVE. LOOK AT ISRO EVERY PROJECT IS A SUCCESS AND WORK CULTURE MUCH BETTER, TIME LINES ADHERED TO GREAT EXTENT. PEOPLE WORKING IN HAL MANAGEMENT SHOULD BE SHAKEN UP BY GIVING WARNING THAT PERFORM OR LEAVE OR PERISH. ONLY THEN THESE GOOD FOR NOTHINGS WILL PERFORM.

 

[sgarg]

@lcafanboy, patience. The aircraft will be handed over in batches (I think batches of four). IAF cannot create a squadron for one aircraft.

Other aircrafts are on the assembly line. I am actually happy HAL has rolled out one SP1 and one two seat trainer. Please note that LSP aircraft can also be delivered to IAF. The critical thing is FOC.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Looks like the thrust is on Tejas Production, Earlier report suggested just 14 //

NEW DELHI: As many as 20-30 indigenously built Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, which will replace the aging MIG fighters, will be commissioned soon, government informed the Lok Sabha today.


Read more at:
20-30 Tejas aircraft to be commissioned soon: Manohar Parrikar - The Economic Times

 

[ladder]

LCA Navy all set for ski-jump trials at SBTF Goa

Read more at: LCA Navy all set for ski-jump trials at SBTF Goa - Oneindia

 

[sasi]

 

[mans.randhawa]

I don't have much knowledge about fighter jets but i have noticed on thing that is range and speed of LCA Tejas which seems to be very less compared to all other fighter of this class , will this jet be useful in air force ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Tejas is design as per Air-Force specifications, Its operational since Dec of 2011 in Indian Air-force ..

range and speed of LCA Tejas which seems to be very less compared to all other fighter of this class , will this jet be useful in air force ?

 

[mans.randhawa]

Sorry its not operational without FOC also , why IAF seeks so under powered , low range aircraft ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I suggest go through the thread before getting knee jerking conclusion >



source : Homegrown LCA Tejas gets to join Air Force - IBNLive

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The amount of work cannot be reproduce on one page, Only after getting proper idea about what being asked with respect to the information on this thread, you must ask question ..

Sorry its not operational without FOC also , why IAF seeks so under powered , low range aircraft ?

 

[rohit b3]

Sorry its not operational without FOC also , why IAF seeks so under powered , low range aircraft ?

Tejas is a decent aircraft, but it does not count among the Top 10 in the World. Lets get that right first. It is definitely not at par with Aircrafts like Su-30MKI.

Next question. Why induct this Aircraft?

Well, Tejas opens up a new dimension in the IAF. All the latest technologies packed in a Light fighter jet - something which the IAF doesn have.
Su-30MKI may be superior, but a Heavy combat jet is not suitable for every kind of mission.

Lets take a practical scenario.... The Cold Start Doctrine of the Indian Armed forces. A doctrine that targets to neutralize Terrorist camps and infrastructure around the Border areas withing PoK/Pak, withing 48 hours of a Major terror attack by Pak on Indian soil.

Now in this scenario, if you wanna use a Su-30MKI for ground attack roles...well, it wont be right. It takes time to get a Su-30MKI in the Air. Not to mention huge maintenance after a single sortie. Furthur a huge MKI is easily caught in the Radars, taking away the surprise element.

On the other hand, by the time 2 Su-30MKIs take flight, 4-5 Tejas would already be in the Air. They would take lesser maintenance after their sortie and can carry out several more sorties per day.
Furthur, Tejas is a "semi stealth" aircraft. i.e harder to detect by radar.
There's a good chance, Tejas would have bombed its targets and are on their way back, before PAF can react.
You dont need a hell lot of range and payload to carry out such missions.
You need Speed,Stealth and accuracy.

But yes, as developement is ongoing, theres always room for improvement and the Tejas mk2 will have more range and payload and would be a more powerful aircraft.

 

[Zebra]

seriously specs of mk1 sounds from 1980's era and even lower than Mig21

Sir, all new comers talk like this.

Nothing new on DFI.

Stay regular on DFI and you will start getting the reality.

Best of luck then.

 

[mans.randhawa]

The amount of work cannot be reproduce on one page, Only after getting proper idea about what being asked with respect to the information on this thread, you must ask question ..

Its a request to be polite , i may be new member but that doesn't gives u right to be rude.
If you don't wish to reply then u should not , period !