Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

Is coronavirus a biological warfare agent released by China?

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Longewala

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Then why are we still in lockdown ? :troll:
Because indoors you can only catch it from other family members and that too if one of them goes outside and catches the infection to begin with

And by "outdoors" they mean parks, not the metros, local trains and bazaars where one infected can bring down a dozen others.

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200 trains starting from June 1, including non-AC coaches and General comparment. Masks and 6 feet distancing to be observed ofcourse.

But how does one prevent corona to not spread around the entire coach when you 'open the windows and let the atmosphere come in' ?

Brace yourself people. Show time!
 

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The ‘India story’ has no legs to stand on

Finally, we are seeing things as they actually are. The ‘India story’, whatever it may have stood for, has no legs left anymore. The legs are marching back home, across the length of India, and stopping might mean death. Literally.

Thousands of migrant workers are walking back to their villages and small towns through what is arguably the harshest lockdown in the world. No work, no wages and no means of transport to return home meant they had to fend for themselves, be atmanirbhar. And so, workers have been on the move for over a month-and-a-half with whatever little belongings they have, accompanied by family members, some of them small, tired children who have to carry on in the punishing heat as though it is the most natural thing to do. But it isn’t, and the pictures are unforgiving, unconscionable.

Any blinkers that may still be on about the leaps of ‘progress’ that India has made during the last three decades should have come off by now. We always knew how dire the condition of the working poor in our cities was, but to see it enacted in this manner has jolted us out of our collective reverie.

Other than those going back, there are at least eight crore migrants across the states, according to the central government’s own estimates, who are non-card holders and hence can’t access food grains from the state. The Centre has belatedly promised free grains to them for the next two months — 51 days into the lockdown — but this is unlikely to help much. According to a recent report by the Stranded Workers Action Network, a group of volunteers responding to distress calls from migrants across India, over 82% of the 12,248 workers who reached out to them did not receive rations from state governments and 64% of 9,981 people had less than Rs 100 left with them. If this is anything to go by, we will have to deal with far worse than what we have encountered until now.

The question before us is really this: What kind of a system allows the State to abnegate its responsibility towards a large section of its population, even if it is to save lives and make sure medical facilities are not overwhelmed? Although the world over countries are struggling, nothing matches the scale of the humanitarian disaster unfolding in India.

Just take two examples out of the many that have been recorded. In Maharashtra’s Aurangabad district, 16 workers headed for Bhusawal from Jalna were crushed to death under a goods train. The workers were resting on the railway tracks after covering a part of their journey on foot to board the ‘Shramik Special’ train that would take them to Madhya Pradesh. A few days later, it was their bodies that left on the trains meant to take them back home.

The other disturbing story is not of death but birth, this time by the side of a road. Mann Kumari, heavily pregnant, left Ambala with a number of other workers for Madhya Pradesh, only to give birth on the road after walking 300 kilometres. The new-born and the mother waited but a few hours before resuming their unending march. They were provided transportation back to their homes after they had walked on for another 150 kms. And hers is not the only story like this.

These are grim times, and many are losing loved ones to the infection and jobs and incomes to changing times. But still, there is loss and then there is systemic callousness that inflicts unacceptable misery on the poor. The lockdown has shown us that the Indian State, and the political system that has shaped it, can’t be bothered about the most disadvantaged and disempowered among us. If this was not clear to us in the years and months leading up to the lockdown, then the current events should show us how far we have come since Independence.

Incidentally, that was when we had another great migration. What we are seeing now has surpassed even that painful event in some ways. We were supposed to do better all these years later. But we haven’t. In fact, we seemed to have regressed. It would be best to accept that we have spawned a perverse system. Being clear-eyed about ourselves might be the only thing that could help us emerge out of this self-inflicted tragedy.

 

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For those arguing on both sides that we must open lockdown now or it is too soon to open, this is the most important thing you’ll read. I promise.

Here's the question to answer:

When will it be safe to end the lockdown, to reemerge?

May 1st? May 15th? June? July? August?

Here's the real answer:

Never.

It will never be "safe".

Social distancing, staying at home, all of these measures were not to "cure" Covid-19. These were measures to slow it down, so as to not overwhelm our healthcare system.

For the most part, we've done that.

It does not change the virality of Covid, how it spreads from one person to another.

It has no effect on the mortality rate.

It was intended to delay it.

But as soon as we emerge, the virus will spread again and the people with weakened immune systems will still succumb to it.

This is a harsh fact.

The people who missed it this time, will eventually get it-regardless of if we emerge on May 1st or September 30th.

We need to protect our healthcare system to handle the load, but we don't need to mislead ourselves over the outcome of this quarantine.

It is slowing it down, but not curing it.

If you're driving to Pune from at Mumbai 50 miles an hour or 100 miles an hour, the distance doesn't change.

If your lifestyle is causing you to have a weakened immune system, use this time to correct that.

Otherwise, you've placed a target on your own back.

Now is not the time for indulging in comfort food - it's a time to give ourselves the healthiest, most robust immune system our body is capable of.”

*Detox yourself and maintain social distancing for next couple of years or till the time a vaccine is found... Its as simple.*

 

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A Tale of Two States - both ruled by opposition parties.

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity..."

Yes, Charles Dickens and his Tale of Two Cities. Here's a story many of you might have missed. "A Tale of Two States."

First the positive story.

Punjab is governed by an 'Opposition' party. The CM vowed not one grain of wheat would be wasted in the Khariff crop. So, Punjab and the Central Government worked in tandem to harvest the crop. You probably know that Punjab contributes 35% of our wheat.

Usual seasonal migrant labour was missing due to the COVID19 lockdown. To compensate, people under MNREGA were mobilised by the Centre. Fleets of combined harvesters were mobilised and escorted in convoys from elsewhere to the Punjab's fields. FCI was mobilised. 2000 odd additional mandis were created to reduce crowding and improve social distancing. The Centre controlled Para-military forces worked with the local police to control the convoys of thousands of trucks and tractors carrying wheat from fields to mandi / aarat and beyond to godowns. Harvesting started on 15th April and still continuing. They are actually lighting up the fields at night to allow harvesting on 24x7 basis. The focus is to quickly complete harvesting and disband the workforce to reduce chances of the disease to spread.

Net result. In 2019, Punjab harvested 1.3 Million Tonnes (MT) all through April. Some more in May. This year, from 15-26 April 2020 ie, in 9 days alone, Punjab has harvested 2.8 MT. Stunning! Not only that, Punjab would have the all time high record wheat production this year.

FCI is present at all the mandis and aarats, procuring and paying immediately for the wheat as it is coming in, putting money in the farmers' hands, encouraging them to harvest even more quickly.
The story doesn't end there. Punjab Government is working with the FCI and the Indian Railways to simultaneously take the grain away from Punjab as there's no place to store all the grain in Punjab itself.



So, the Indian Railways have created special Annapoorna Trains. Each train is an amazing 2.4 km long, comprising 84 wagons with multiple engines and radio communication between the drivers and the guardsmen. Best of Indian Railway drivers and guardsmen from the Shatabdis and Rajdhanis are operating the Annapoorna Trains. These trains are taking all the wheat from Punjab to FCI godowns around the country.

In April 2019, Indian Railways transported some 2 MTs of food grains. This April (2020), they have already crossed 4 MT by 25th of April.

All of the above is being managed by Special Teams comprising of DMs, SPs Para-Military, Indian Railway and FCI under the overall supervision of the MHA. Brilliant example of amazing achievement if State and Centre work together.

But this is a Tale of Two States.

See what's happening in West Bengal. The only topic that all the four Bangla news channels have been covering for the last few days is State v/s Centre fights. CM's 3 page letter, followed by Governor's 5 page letter, followed by CM's 7 page letter, followed by Governor's 11 page letter. Whether the Constitution is being upheld etc, etc. Utter crap.



Is there any news of how and when the Khariff crops in Bengal would be harvested? Any news of the Khariff potato, onion, rice and mustard harvesting? Any news about their procurement and sale? Any report on how to put money in the hands of the farmers? I couldn't find any.

It seems, the entire world has forgotten the Bengal farmers.

 

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currently known case of diabetes patients in india is 6.2 crore .. one in every 10 asthama patient in world is indian ( dnt knw numbers but it is 6% of children nd 2% of adults) .. 19.5 crore people are undernourished .. 20.7 crore people suffer from high blood pressure ..
We see the migrant crisis because its now a reality . If govt had nt gone for strict lockdown world combined cld nt have matched number of deaths in india. And most of those deaths wld have been among socially deprived sections.. Atleast now we have bought some time.. increased our testing capabilities . number of beds.. increased our production capacity of PPE, masks etc..
 

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The ‘India story’ has no legs to stand on

Finally, we are seeing things as they actually are. The ‘India story’, whatever it may have stood for, has no legs left anymore. The legs are marching back home, across the length of India, and stopping might mean death. Literally.

Thousands of migrant workers are walking back to their villages and small towns through what is arguably the harshest lockdown in the world. No work, no wages and no means of transport to return home meant they had to fend for themselves, be atmanirbhar. And so, workers have been on the move for over a month-and-a-half with whatever little belongings they have, accompanied by family members, some of them small, tired children who have to carry on in the punishing heat as though it is the most natural thing to do. But it isn’t, and the pictures are unforgiving, unconscionable.

Any blinkers that may still be on about the leaps of ‘progress’ that India has made during the last three decades should have come off by now. We always knew how dire the condition of the working poor in our cities was, but to see it enacted in this manner has jolted us out of our collective reverie.

Other than those going back, there are at least eight crore migrants across the states, according to the central government’s own estimates, who are non-card holders and hence can’t access food grains from the state. The Centre has belatedly promised free grains to them for the next two months — 51 days into the lockdown — but this is unlikely to help much. According to a recent report by the Stranded Workers Action Network, a group of volunteers responding to distress calls from migrants across India, over 82% of the 12,248 workers who reached out to them did not receive rations from state governments and 64% of 9,981 people had less than Rs 100 left with them. If this is anything to go by, we will have to deal with far worse than what we have encountered until now.

The question before us is really this: What kind of a system allows the State to abnegate its responsibility towards a large section of its population, even if it is to save lives and make sure medical facilities are not overwhelmed? Although the world over countries are struggling, nothing matches the scale of the humanitarian disaster unfolding in India.

Just take two examples out of the many that have been recorded. In Maharashtra’s Aurangabad district, 16 workers headed for Bhusawal from Jalna were crushed to death under a goods train. The workers were resting on the railway tracks after covering a part of their journey on foot to board the ‘Shramik Special’ train that would take them to Madhya Pradesh. A few days later, it was their bodies that left on the trains meant to take them back home.

The other disturbing story is not of death but birth, this time by the side of a road. Mann Kumari, heavily pregnant, left Ambala with a number of other workers for Madhya Pradesh, only to give birth on the road after walking 300 kilometres. The new-born and the mother waited but a few hours before resuming their unending march. They were provided transportation back to their homes after they had walked on for another 150 kms. And hers is not the only story like this.

These are grim times, and many are losing loved ones to the infection and jobs and incomes to changing times. But still, there is loss and then there is systemic callousness that inflicts unacceptable misery on the poor. The lockdown has shown us that the Indian State, and the political system that has shaped it, can’t be bothered about the most disadvantaged and disempowered among us. If this was not clear to us in the years and months leading up to the lockdown, then the current events should show us how far we have come since Independence.

Incidentally, that was when we had another great migration. What we are seeing now has surpassed even that painful event in some ways. We were supposed to do better all these years later. But we haven’t. In fact, we seemed to have regressed. It would be best to accept that we have spawned a perverse system. Being clear-eyed about ourselves might be the only thing that could help us emerge out of this self-inflicted tragedy.

Talk, talk and more talk. So the journalists needed a crisis to have their eyes opened and their socialist feelings awakened, all these while cheerfully reporting trash news and sweeping the real state of affairs under the rug. Anyone who has his/her eyes open would have seen the plight of migrant laborers - how they live in makeshift tents / containers, work under extreme poverty and low wages, deplorable conditions, child labor, get diseased (sleeping in the open, no toilets, drinking water) etc. All these while, these rich people are very happy to employ them while turning a blind eye to their condition, it’s a necessary evil for them to fuel economic growth - 8% yoy. And now, when a crisis strikes, they are suddenly reminded that it’s the government’s fault? Yeah, there are a lot of things the govt. could have done better, but if the govt. has failed the migrant laborers, so have the people in this country.
 

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Some folks were quoting Sweden as an effective model wrt to its "soft lockdown" approach. Current situation there -

"Sweden has now overtaken the UK, Italy and Belgium to have the highest coronavirus per capita death rate in the world, throwing its decision to avoid a strict lockdown into further doubt."

 
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Some folks were quoting Sweden as an effective model wrt to its "soft lockdown" approach -

"Sweden has now overtaken the UK, Italy and Belgium to have the highest coronavirus per capita death rate in the world, throwing its decision to avoid a strict lockdown into further doubt."

May be a lesson to all the forum champs insisting on blaming govt for Lock-down.
If it's that bad in first world countries in Europe, imagine what the situation in India would have been.
 

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May be a lesson to all the forum champs insisting on blaming govt for Lock-down.
If it's that bad in first world countries in Europe, imagine what the situation in India would have been.
Without a lockdown hundreds of thousands would have died, hospitals overwhelmed, panic...
And those reporters and forum champs full of crocodile tears for "migrants" and blowing up some admittedly bad cases?
Would have loved it, as would have given them ammo to say Modi bad, doesn't care about people etc

They don't care two hoots for India or its people.

Just check the article history of that Deccan herald reporter cited above, or for instance a similar story in rediff...full of supportive articles for Shaheen Bagh, anti CAA protests, poison against Hinduism and Modi.
 

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200 trains starting from June 1, including non-AC coaches and General comparment. Masks and 6 feet distancing to be observed ofcourse.

But how does one prevent corona to not spread around the entire coach when you 'open the windows and let the atmosphere come in' ?

Brace yourself people. Show time!
Well No-AC coaches are better in case of corona as windows are open, air from fans/outside will flush the virus out if someone with COVID19 sneeze. which is not case of AC coaches which are closed. Tokyo Metro using this measure to reduce the COVID19 effect on other people if one person have. you can't avoid but you can reduce the effect.
 

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Without a lockdown hundreds of thousands would have died, hospitals overwhelmed, panic...
And those reporters and forum champs full of crocodile tears for "migrants" and blowing up some admittedly bad cases?
Would have loved it, as would have given them ammo to say Modi bad, doesn't care about people etc

They don't care two hoots for India or its people.

Just check the article history of that Deccan herald reporter cited above, or for instance a similar story in rediff...full of supportive articles for Shaheen Bagh, anti CAA protests, poison against Hinduism and Modi.
people will always say something. just remember story of Father, son and donkey. :)
 

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Doesn't change a thing all this talk about how migrant people are suffering is true but the choices are between two evil.
Don't implement lockdown don't build infrastructure let the virus spread sure you will have lesser people dying because of food but after sometime the same poor migrant labour will be effected the most. Most probably they will die without any treatments.
 

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Key factors that finally transformed you in lockdown days!

Lockdown days are crucial times, which made human beings falling into several states of mind. Lockdown can be reality tales to be shared with your future children.

Some essential factors which can transform your mind and soul in this Lockdown episode:-

1. A positive state of mind.
2. Happiness with family connectivity.
3. Freedom and balance in the thinking process.
4. Working with hobbies and passion to learn or re-learn.
5. Staying protected and support humanity.

 

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1. A positive state of mind.
2. Happiness with family connectivity.
3. Freedom and balance in the thinking process.
4. Working with hobbies and passion to learn or re-learn.
5. Staying protected and support humanity.
Isn't being rich and having a good bank balance a wonderful thing. Everything's so rosy.

And welcome.
 

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#COVID
Total: 112359
Active: 63624
Discharged:45299
Deaths: 3435


ICMR has tested total 26,15,920 samples for #COVID19 as of 9 am on May 21. 1,03,532 samples were tested in the last 24 hours.


Expect the #Lockdown4 in #Mumbai to get a lot tighter .


Indians coming from South Africa:


India's envoy to Mali Anjani Kumar Sahay (@sahayanjani) said, New Delhi is gifting the African country lifesaving medicines--hydroxychloroquine and paracetamol

 

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If there is one good thing that came from COVID-19, it is that Taiwan awareness among Indian people/media have skyrocketed. Hope in time this translates to some progress in policy domain.

Chinese mission expresses displeasure over @WIONews covering Tsai ing-wen's inauguration as President of Taiwan.

Link of our coverage:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKmlQA-kNKE …

Chinese protest:

 

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If there is one good thing that came from COVID-19, it is that Taiwan awareness among Indian people/media have skyrocketed. Hope in time this translates to some progress in policy domain.

Chinese mission expresses displeasure over @WIONews covering Tsai ing-wen's inauguration as President of Taiwan.

Link of our coverage:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKmlQA-kNKE …

Chinese protest:

what if Nepal issue has been raked up because of WION’s coverage of CCP over the past 2 months?
 

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what if Nepal issue has been raked up because of WION’s coverage of CCP over the past 2 months?
I understand WION has grown influential but this is a bit much don't you think ? But then the Chinese are hyper reactive so who knows.
 

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Isn't being rich and having a good bank balance a wonderful thing. Everything's so rosy.

And welcome.
Every single society, including supposedly socialist/ communist ones have rich and poor.
No system has come close to Western capitalism in its various formats (also implemented in S Korea, Japan) when it comes to lifting up living standards for the poorest in society on an absolute basis.

If India hadn't fallen into the envy rich socialism trap, then absolute income levels for the poorest would have been multiples higher, more industrialisation in places like UP and hence lesser numbers of migrants, slower population growth etc.

But no, let's just moan and complain about some people having a bank balance
 

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