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Western media attack their own leaders, politicians, military, celebrities, agencies more on a daily basis more than they give attention or criticise China. And yet you claim Western media is spouting "anti-rest of the World" propaganda.
Even India's media attacks it's own politicians those things are for local population and TRP.
Propaganda is targeting india from 90s from Bangladesh liberation war or when Mujahideen started war against india.
Or calling our elected prime minister as fascist or
Debate over the state of women in India has intensified after Thomson Reuters Foundation released 'The World's Most Dangerous Countries for Women, 2018' report on Tuesday, which declared India as the worst country for women's safety

Thomson Reuters Foundation declares female genital mutilation (FGM) as one the parameters in cultural traditions where India has been ranked worst.

But according to a report of WHO, India is not even mentioned in the list of 29 countries where female genital mutilation is prevalent.



Thomson Reuters Foundation claims that India is also worst in sexual violence against women ranking behind countries like Congo, Syria and the US.

But the United Nations report 'The World's Women 2015' portrays an entirely different picture.

The report says that the percentage of the women between 15 and 49, who faced sexual violence at least once in a life time in India, was less than 10 per cent, while there are many countries where the percentage was as high as 20 to 30.


It is clear, when compared to the studies and reports of other international organisations, Thomson Reuters Foundation ranking India the worst country in the world for women does not look convincing.(With Inputs from Arjun Deodia)

Don't push your baseless accusation. The only thing i dislike about you is that you become blind when it comes to certain things.

India is loosing tons of tourism money because of baseless false charges against india
 
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Even India's media attacks it's own politicians those things are for local population and TRP.
Propaganda is targeting india from 90s from Bangladesh liberation war or when Mujahideen started war against india.
Or calling our elected prime minister as fascist or
Debate over the state of women in India has intensified after Thomson Reuters Foundation released 'The World's Most Dangerous Countries for Women, 2018' report on Tuesday, which declared India as the worst country for women's safety

Thomson Reuters Foundation declares female genital mutilation (FGM) as one the parameters in cultural traditions where India has been ranked worst.

But according to a report of WHO, India is not even mentioned in the list of 29 countries where female genital mutilation is prevalent.



Thomson Reuters Foundation claims that India is also worst in sexual violence against women ranking behind countries like Congo, Syria and the US.

But the United Nations report 'The World's Women 2015' portrays an entirely different picture.

The report says that the percentage of the women between 15 and 49, who faced sexual violence at least once in a life time in India, was less than 10 per cent, while there are many countries where the percentage was as high as 20 to 30.


It is clear, when compared to the studies and reports of other international organisations, Thomson Reuters Foundation ranking India the worst country in the world for women does not look convincing.(With Inputs from Arjun Deodia)

Don't push your baseless accusation. The only thing i dislike about you is that you become blind when it comes to certain things.

India is loosing tons of tourism money because of bases false charges against india
Oh please. These Western media companies are all international in terms of audience reach and target. Yet everyday they criticise their own leaders, expose their own corruptions both in government and private companies.

Again, it's called confirmatory bias: looking for reasons to justify ones biases or strong opinions. But this is not supported by statistics.
 

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Oh please. These Western media companies are all international in terms of audience reach and target. Yet everyday they criticise their own leaders, expose their own corruptions both in government and private companies.

Again, it's called confirmatory bias: looking for reasons to justify ones biases or strong opinions. But this is not supported by statistics.
BS.
Now you will claim your BS logic this can be because you are to blind i cannot help a blind fellow who doesn't see the facts but try to force things i can put hundred of arguments against your logic.
Yes western media is international as Crypto AG.
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Yes it's not supported by statistics biggest rape capital assault against india not supported by statistics but by 124 peeps reviews.

Or how in Kashmir BBC was repeatedly used FAKE images and videos to entertain the masses?
Oh how main targets of western or NYT is international public only when they ship hundreds of news paper in US?

Targeting internal leaders is their indigenous thing Starting a proxy agenda against others is one thing.
How you would feel if all indian proxies channels media and as whole start targeting your Philippines or xyz country.
 

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Oh please. These Western media companies are all international in terms of audience reach and target. Yet everyday they criticise their own leaders, expose their own corruptions both in government and private companies.

Again, it's called confirmatory bias: looking for reasons to justify ones biases or strong opinions. But this is not supported by statistics.
Indian media was rudimentary.

Foreign media filled the vacuum.

Over three decades later, the tables have turned. Western media is facing an existential crisis. Advertising revenue has dried up. Circulation of dailies is falling. Western TV networks are losing viewers to digital platforms across both news and entertainment genres.

Indian media, in contrast, is growing robustly, driven by rising purchasing power and a new audience in smaller towns.

As the influence of Western media has shrunk, its anti-Indian tone has acquired new venom.

Earlier, the tone was patronising. Now, it is filled with invective. A false narrative is fixed. Facts are moulded to fit that narrative. The arrival of the Narendra Modi government sharpened the invective.

Here was a PM who, unlike the colonised Lutyens’ dynasts of old, refused to grant access to Western journalists. They reacted with an outpouring of bile.

In Britain, Roger Boyes wrote in The Times: “We can warn our Indian friends, in case they haven’t worked it out for themselves, Mr. Modi is potentially big trouble.” (In case they haven’t worked it out for themselves. Note the superciliousness).

Amol Rajan, The Independent’s Indian-origin editor, wrote: “The charge sheet against Narendra Damodardas Modi is familiar and well-founded: the stench of Hindu nationalism covers him.”


What drives such journalism, much of it drivel?

Why does Modi provoke such intolerance in the Western media?

Here’s what I wrote in 2014: “The answer is largely cultural — Modi doesn’t fit in. He’s neither a clubby sort whose mind Western journalists can pick over Darjeeling tea, nor a jokey regional leader who craves Western attention and can be mocked behind his back. Modi regards the Western media — not all of it but much of it — with the same contempt it reserves for him. He gives them minimal access. He does them no favours. He asks for no editorial favours in return

Complicit coverage

The Anglo-Saxon (American and British) branch of Western media hunts in packs.

At crucial moments, they function as propagandists for their respective governments.

During the 1990-91 Gulf War, for example, CNN acted as the voice of the US military, dealing in fraudulent narratives to discredit Iraqi forces.

More egregiously, British and American media launched a choreographed campaign against Syrian dictator Bashar al Assad to help the US, British and French governments effect regime change.


The six-year-long propaganda campaign failed after Russia’s intervention in the devastating Syrian civil war where terror groups opposed to al-Assad were armed and funded by the US and its allies.

The most recent example of how “independent” Western media organisations are co-opted by their governments is their complicit silence over the humanitarian crisis caused by the brutal Saudi-led war on Yemen.

The Saudi-UAE assault, backed by US, British and French weapons and logistics, began in March 2015.

Nearly four years later, after 10,000 civilian casualties and millions of Yemenis near starvation, Western media has suddenly woken up to the tragedy. Their silence for much of the ruinous war shows how easily Western newspapers and television networks bend to their governments’ will

Complicit coverage

The Anglo-Saxon (American and British) branch of Western media hunts in packs.

At crucial moments, they function as propagandists for their respective governments.

During the 1990-91 Gulf War, for example, CNN acted as the voice of the US military, dealing in fraudulent narratives to discredit Iraqi forces.

More egregiously, British and American media launched a choreographed campaign against Syrian dictator Bashar al Assad to help the US, British and French governments effect regime change.


The six-year-long propaganda campaign failed after Russia’s intervention in the devastating Syrian civil war where terror groups opposed to al-Assad were armed and funded by the US and its allies.

The most recent example of how “independent” Western media organisations are co-opted by their governments is their complicit silence over the humanitarian crisis caused by the brutal Saudi-led war on Yemen.

The Saudi-UAE assault, backed by US, British and French weapons and logistics, began in March 2015.

Nearly four years later, after 10,000 civilian casualties and millions of Yemenis near starvation, Western media has suddenly woken up to the tragedy. Their silence for much of the ruinous war shows how easily Western newspapers and television networks bend to their governments’ will

Error-ridden

When the narrative is pre-meditated and facts scrambled to fit that narrative, errors abound.

In an error-speckled piece by the editorial board of The New York Times titled Narendra Modi's Rise in India, the newspaper wrote: “Modi's economic record in Gujarat is not entirely admirable. Muslims in Gujarat, for instance, were much more likely to be poor than Muslims in India as a whole.”


When the error was pointed out (Muslims in Gujarat are actually among the least poor in India), The New York Times was forced to recant: “An earlier version of this editorial relied on a 2012 Indian government report on poverty rates, which included the rate for Muslims in Gujarat in 2009 and 2010. Newer data shows that poverty among that group has declined substantially in the last two years.”

The BBC’s strategy is more nuanced. In its recent contentious story on how fake news spreads hate crimes, it used an “ethnographic” methodology – rather than a large, straightforward sample survey – to arrive at half-baked conclusions.
 

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The way I see it one country's media is saying odd things about another country is normal. CNN and WSJ are biased, true. But they are also scared of China's CCP & also there is the fact that China never shares real data with anyone.

And for CCP I say that they are just inhuman. When there is a problem for people's safety. They should be granting access to top scientists. Don't bother sharing the data with the public or western media. But atleast share the data and information that can help people.
 

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Ya not good at all taking dig at countries like this at a time when they are loosing tourism revenue and still ready to face the issues you don't write stuff like this

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And Russia is an ally of CPC
It depends by nation and region.

Laos, Thai and cambodia are beneficial from China.
Vietnam needs China's investment but fear the shit out it because it's too close.
5-stans from MidAsia think China is a balance power to Russia and also provide natural resources to earn money.
Russia needs China to counter US and EU.
SARRC nations expect China is the only balance power to stop the bully from India.

World is always complicated, even inside the China i can't say wtf is China and CCP ...
Chinease Communist Party?
True. But except China no major power in Asia wants to grab and is grabbing others territory. They are even encroaching sea water and EEZs of other smaller countries.
They recently rejected a UNCLOS verdict which was binding in nature and instead toppled the Govt of Indonesia and installed a puppet govt whic entirely accepted Chinease claim and Claimed the defeat from the Victory.
Same China is lecturing
everyone about honouring some random resolution which was entirely nonbinding.

China is actively protecting terrorists from getting punished.

All I want to say that China is forcing other Countries to do every and anything to survive even if that mean making alliances with Devils and damaging China to maxamimum possible extent in any domain possible. China is at war with rest of Asia and we will do anything possible when it comes to protecting our sovereignity
 
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Just imagine Goebels criticising Hitler amd Nazi Germany everyday more than the USSR.... that how absurd your position is.

The massacre of mediamen and opponent political family in Mindanao was a huge disgrace for our country. A stain that will not be washed off easily. And it took a long time to convict everyone involved there. But they are already convicted.

Now our free media in the Philippines is under attack once again this time from traitor and China's puppet Duterte. He is threatening to close down the biggest TV network in the country that has neen critical of his Government. He also persecuted a small internet based news media Rappler which was reporting articles critical of his murderous drugs war and treason for tacit approval of China's annexation of our islands in our EEZ. He is bullying our free media. He learned a lot from his Chinese handlers.
To me pig face Churchill was no less monster than the Hitler etc. What hitler did to Jews, Churchill did to Indians and Africans. Its just that brown lives doesn’t matter as much in Westerners eyes. They treat a racist genocidal maniac as a Hero
 

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To me pig face Churchill was no less monster than the Hitler etc. What hitler did to Jews, Churchill did to Indians and Africans. Its just that brown lives doesn’t matter as much in Westerners eyes. They treat a racist genocidal maniac as a Hero
I hear you. And you are not wrong. But lets just deal with one enemy at a time.
 

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To me pig face Churchill was no less monster than the Hitler etc. What hitler did to Jews, Churchill did to Indians and Africans. Its just that brown lives doesn’t matter as much in Westerners eyes. They treat a racist genocidal maniac as a Hero
Generalizations... indeed System 2 is lazy.

While Churchill certainly was racist, it was not an uncommon phenomenon during that time: White protestants look down on white catholics; whites in general look down on non-whites; the Japanese look down on all other Asians; fair skinned Indians look down on dark-skinned Indians; mixed white and blooded Filipinos look down on pure blood darked-skinned Filipinos; Filipinos look down on Indians; etc.

But Churchill was certainly not in the same league as Hitler and the NAZIS. And the majority of British political class and citizenry were supported of Indian self-rule, especially after WW2. And certainly a lot has already changed since Churchill's time, the current Brits are leagues apart from Churchills racist views. The question is, are some Indians ready to change on their views or at least not be weighed down anymore by Churchill's rscist views or crimes?
 

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But Churchill was certainly not in the same league as Hitler and the NAZIS. And the majority of British political class and citizenry were supported of Indian self-rule, especially after WW2.
No for you not.
For us Yes.
How can you pick up who is more evil?

I was reading stuff article written by some indian soldier in ww2 he clearly stated that at that time british military men and other seniors were so ambitious how they will build india( so there was no natural will to leave if that was the case lakhs of lifes could have been saved) and didn't full filed so called statement that we will leave india if you fight for us. Anyways change of winds happen because of Hitler Soviet union and USA. Even after leaving india UK tried to remain in super powa position and started suize canal war but got cold shoulder from soviet and US.
 

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:biggrin2: a good friend of India :biggrin2:
Generalizations... indeed System 2 is lazy.

While Churchill certainly was racist, it was not an uncommon phenomenon during that time: White protestants look down on white catholics; whites in general look down on non-whites; the Japanese look down on all other Asians; fair skinned Indians look down on dark-skinned Indians; mixed white and blooded Filipinos look down on pure blood darked-skinned Filipinos; Filipinos look down on Indians; etc.

But Churchill was certainly not in the same league as Hitler and the NAZIS. And the majority of British political class and citizenry were supported of Indian self-rule, especially after WW2. Amd certainly the current Brits are leagues apart from Churchills racist views.
Hitlar was a nobody to us Indians (except for the fact that he helped Azad Hind Force of Bose to weaken British Empire) , Churchill was. He starved million of Indians by creating an artificial famine in Bengal. He treated us like dogs. Certainly few English people were sympathetic to us but majority were not.

I do have sympathy for Jews for what’s the suffered by Hitler and Hitler deserved much more for what he did.But for Indians he was fuc..ng nobody.

PS: Bro we don’t have any grudge against common Brit. May be few members of Labour Party for their critical views. But its not universal.
British were lesser evils among the evil colonists and that’s what many of us think of Colonial England. UK in general, have a good working relationship with India. We are one of largest mutual trading partners. We have a large and influential Indian diaspora there. We import a lot of technologies from UK. I consider BoJo (LOL) a good friend of India.

Its just that we cant change history. It does not mean we cant have good relations
 
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No for you not.
For us Yes.
How can you pick up who is more evil?

I was reading stuff article written by some indian soldier in ww2 he clearly stated that at that time british military men and other seniors were so ambitious how they will build india( so there was no natural will to leave if that was the case lakhs of lifes could have been saved) and didn't full filed so called statement that we will leave india if you fight for us. Anyways change of winds happen because of Hitler Soviet union and USA. Even after leaving india UK tried to remain in super powa position and started suize canal war but got cold shoulder from soviet and US.

During the War British politiciams of all color where singularly focused on defesting AXIS powers. The Soviets and Americans needed to prod Churchill to give India independence after the war. But not much prodding was needed when the Labor Party won.
 

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The question is, are some Indians ready to change on their views or at least not be weighed down anymore by Churchill's rscist views or crimes?
India is also changed today.

Yes we will see them how people look at Germany.
Why we will ever like to change our views on Churchill who infact killed lot of people with our blood? Why do you want us to see him as a hero it doesn't make sense.
My counter question should be then people should also change their point of view regarding Hitler he was also a fine chap. Then.
 

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Hitlar was a nobody to us Indians (except for the fact that he helped Azad Hind Force of Bose to weaken British Empire) , Churchill was. He starved million of Indians by creating an artificial famine in Bengal. He treated us like dogs. Certainly few English people were sympathetic to us but majority were not.

I do have sympathy for Jews for what’s the suffered by Hitler and Hitler deserved much more for what he did.But for Indians he was fuc..ng nobody.

There is a very good saying that I can never forget, it says that "you learn from history and not live in it."

Every race, nation and country have their own dark chapters in history. The Brits maltreating their colonies, the Americans wiping out the Indians, Africans hunting other Africans for the slave trade, slavery of defeated people, untouchables being treated like non-humans by upper caste Indians, etc., etc. But is that what you want? Get stuck forever in one particular aspect of history (while conveniently forgetting other aspects)?

There is always 2 sides to a coin and it certainly takes 2 to tango, if you know what I mean. Just ask why the vastly outnumbered Brits ruled India for a long time?

Anyway, time to move back to topic. China's aggression to us is not history, it's present. And that's what's relevant to me.
 

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During the War British politiciams of all color where singularly focused on defesting AXIS powers. The Soviets and Americans needed to prod Churchill to give India independence after the war. But not much prodding was needed when the Labor Party won.
At least this time you added Soviets few months back you were claiming it was the Americans only who supported india.
Now i would say you are forgetting Hitler who made European powers weaker and weaker and you also forget internal struggle of india which took life of lakhs of peep it was not just simple prodding btw by the end of WW2 due to loss of lakhs of life and bengal famine internal unrest was at peak which was the one of the biggest factor in all of these things. If people wouldn't be opposing it then self rule could have been never established.
India's quest inspired many African and Asian countries too. And india was the only democracy which publicly supported communist Vietnamese party
 

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At least this time you added Soviets few months back you were claiming it was the Americans only who supported india.
Now i would say you are forgetting Hitler who made European powers weaker and weaker and you also forget internal struggle of india which took life of lakhs of peep it was not just simple prodding btw by the end of WW2 due to loss of lakhs of life and bengal famine internal unrest was at peak which was the one of the biggest factor in all of these things. If people wouldn't be opposing it then self rule could have been never established.
India's quest inspired many African and Asian countries too. And india was the only democracy which publicly supported communist Vietnamese party
I will not hide my bias against the Soviets. But I have not overlooked Soviets' opportunistic anti-imperialist stance on India against Britsin after WW2 when at the same time it was imposing Soviet imperialism on the Baltic and Eastern European states that were severely weakened by WW2. So please spare me the Soviets.
 

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There is a very good saying that I can never forget, it says that "you learn from history and not live in it."

Every race, nation and country have their own dark chapters in history. The Brits maltreating their colonies, the Americans wiping out the Indians, Africans hunting other Africans for the slave trade, slavery of defeated people, untouchables being treated like non-humans by upper caste Indians, etc., etc. But is that what you want? Get stuck forever in one particular aspect of history (while conveniently forgetting other aspects)?

There is always 2 sides to a coin and it certainly takes 2 to tango, if you know what I mean. Just ask why the vastly outnumbered Brits ruled India for a long time?

Anyway, time to move back to topic. China's aggression to us is not history, it's present. And that's what's relevant to me.
You again with your agenda?
When the other chap said he is living in old age and other BS.
He just simply claimed that Churchill was a bad guy and you went on saying stop living in past and things. At which time that guy or me said we are going to bomb UK we are thrust for brits blood?
Every nation remember such things go to American army page or of your favorite British army page they post daily 10 times a day how they striked fascist Germany. For your kind information the teaching about colonial torture in india is quite low if we start teaching youth everything then I'm pretty sure they will carry a deep hate but we stay away from that.
Or some kid in school will read about Bengali famines which scares the sheett of some 7yo boy.
But still these things are hard to remove they are just a bad mark filled with hate someone can encounter it while watching some independence struggle movie and etc. Why india should forget all this all of the struggle for independence? Nop it's a big thing for US.

Anyways these things certainly creates trust issues for example Chinese are India's biggest enemies in military and other terms but average nibba in india can rapidly create a soft spot for them because of some kind of sympathy historical connections and other things.
 
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I hold China responsible for this global mess. It had kept the World initially in the dark and I still have strong basis to believe from listening and watching to a lot of experts from other countries that China is continuing to downplay and fudge data on the extent of the contagion.
 

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