Why Germany lost WW2?

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British invade America continent (belong to India) , and killed 20M people, but win. Lighthouse

German invade Europe continent (belong to each country) ,and killed 10M people , but lose. Evil

You said about modern American do a lot of things , but can't eliminate British killed 20M+ Indians. And its evil.

You invaded Tibet belonging to Tibetans. You're stealing our and our neighbors' EEZ. So please stop talking about America did this and that.

What happens in the past can no longer be changed. What matters is how much a country understood about its role in it or how it is making things better.

Now, by keeping Tibet undet occupatiom and stealing our EEZs has China learned from history to be better?
 

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You invaded Tibet belonging to Tibetans. You're stealing our and our neighbors' EEZ. So please stop talking about America did this and that.

What happens in the past can no longer be changed. What matters is how much a country understood about its role in it or how it is making things better.

Now, by keeping Tibet undet occupatiom and stealing our EEZs has China learned from history to be better?
Tibet belonged to China .

And Tibet was slavery then, PLA to liberate the people.

And more , history is written by winner , so PLA write the history. Its Liberator.

USA is killing 20M people , but win, so its write the history, its lighthouse.

German lose , so it can't write the history , so its evil.

And After 70S , Have USA do any good thing?The rule he obeys is whoever blocks my hegemony,I will booming it.

It appear at where , where are wars and homeless.

And this is you daddy , USA.
 
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There's nothing you can do about the past. Just atone for it and do better. Is China doing better with its Muslim countrymen?
Of course , all muslin countries are support China muslin strategy , but most west country oppose.
 

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Now that's funny. It's okay if discrimination developed over thousands of years. It's even okay to continue it up to now because well nobody legislated it (it's actually against Indian Constitution)... Wow!
:lol: cuckboiii..... You've been here for too long and you don't even know how close to reality most Indians are. Things like untouchability and racism can never be eradicated from a society. Some fuckers in some remote area of a large country can still practice it without coming into the limelight and this is the honest and brutal truth.
But a cuckboii like you claiming that whole India practice untouchability is laughable. Our current president is a Harijan(used to be untouchable) and our most beloved prime minister is from the lower caste too.

Level of cuckery in this phillipino is too high. I've talked to many fillipinos on the internet and they are nothing like this cuckboii. So don't judge the whole fillipinos guys. He is just a special case.
Now stop sucking too hard on your white massah cock.
 

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Tibet belonged to China .

And Tibet was slavery then, PLA to liberate the people.

And more , history is written by winner , so PLA write the history. Its Liberator.

USA is killing 20M people , but win, so its write the history, its lighthouse.

German lose , so it can't write the history , so its evil.

And After 70S , Have USA do any good thing?The rule he obeys is whoever blocks my hegemony,I will booming it.

It appear at where , where are wars and homeless.

And this is you daddy , USA.
Tibet is Dharmic land and it will be under the saffron flag in the near future.
Deal with it.
 

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Funny coincidence, I just watched Nolan’ Dunkirk two days ago. Thinking of it, it is not totally absurd to think that Dunkirk played a major role in WW2. If the whole British army had been captured at Dunkirk, the Churchill government may have simply fallen, and UK may have negotiated with Germany. Munich 2.0 but with far reaching consequences. All of this is pure speculation of course.
Hitler intentionally allowed British forces to escape.
 

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Tibet is Dharmic land and it will be under the saffron flag in the near future.
Deal with it.

Tibet belongs to the Qing Dynasty, and its living Buddha also needs the consent by the Qing emperor
Zhebuzun Dan Hututu: Enclosed by Emperor Kangxi in 1691.
Dalai Lama: Sealed by Emperor Shunzhi in 1653.
Panchen Erdeni: Enlisted by Emperor Kangxi in 1713.
Zhang Jia Hutu Ketu: Enclosed by Emperor Kangxi in 1712.

Golden stamping
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Golden urn
The golden urn deduction system has set up two goldenurn, one at the Lama Temple in Beijing, which is specially used for the reincarnation of the Lingtong in Dahutuktu, Mongolia. The other is located in the Potala Palace in Lhasa, which is used for Tibet, Qinghai and other places to sign the reincarnation of the living Buddha. Whenever the reincarnated Buddhas such as Zhangjia, Zhebuzundanba, Dalai, and Panchen Lama are reincarnated, they must be identified by a golden urn.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Urn
 
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so I am starting this thread to discuss what could be the possible reasons for Nazi Germany defeat in WW2. Members are free to give their opinion or points which they think cause the final downfall of the third Reich or sealed it's fate.

there could be no. of reasons --- which can be further elaborated. anyone can add more points if they want.

• invasion of Soviet Union.
• germany underestimation of Soviet reserve's.
• incompetency of Hitler & German higher command.
• not investing in navy.
• declaring war on US.
• operation Uranus( destruction of 6th army).
•Bagration ( destruction of army group center).
• lack of oil.

In my personal opinion it's was moving Guderian 2nd panzer south for encirclement of Kiev which sealed Wehrmacht fate as it delayed offensive on Moscow & it's captured before winter.

anyone watching this thread. You are free to add your opinion or points you think were responsible for German defeat.
british empire is the #1 reason why germany lost ww2
and it lost ww2 on 3rd sept 1939
UK was never really threatened by german armed forces which were exhausted after polish and french campaign
british are well known for hyping up enemy threats to make them seem so courageous , heroic and skillful
e.g
u-boats threat the pitiful submerisble torpedo boats which germany had a few dozen at a time in the atlantic
KMS bismarck a ordinary ww1 era design [ much like Baden]
Battle of britain: RAF was never outnumbered and was producing far more fighters than germany and KM was smaller than a coast guard then
germans lost as they were outnumbered , outgunned , underfed and had no fuel.
 

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UK was never really threatened by german armed forces which were exhausted after polish and french campaign
Germany had planned air raids in Coventry but British had made to intercept their info. Yet their defenses weren't put up and Germans killed thousands.

In fact, Germans didn't even let US and UK enter until Soviets thrashed them to bring them down to knees. UK was a benevolent power in late 19th and early 20th century. But so great powers able to match it were there in first quarter of 20th century and it wasn't even among top two or top three during WW2. There were USSR, Nazi Germany, Japan and United States, no less in any way.

It was basically USSR and not any other country which brought down nazis single handedly. Soviets would have brought them down nazi block alone. Only issue for Soviets was Japan, thrashed away by US.
 
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Germany had planned air raids in Coventry but British had made to intercept their info. Yet their defenses weren't put up and Germans killed thousands.

In fact, Germans didn't even let US and UK enter until Soviets thrashed them to bring them down to knees. UK was a benevolent power in late 19th and early 20th century. But so great powers able to match it were there in first quarter of 20th century and it wasn't even among top two or top three during WW2. There were USSR, Nazi Germany, Japan and United States, no less in any way.

It was basically USSR and not any other country which brought down nazis single handedly. Soviets would have brought them down nazi block alone. Only issue for Soviets was Japan, thrashed away by US.
and by 1942 RAF was turning german cities into dante's infernos
the reason why UK USA didnt enter as they delayed to open a second front till 1944 so they can bleed the russians white
ofcourse red army did 80% of the fighting but that is because the UK USA astutely saved their resources and let the russians shoulder most of the burden from 42-44

soviets could have fought the germans to a stalemate somewhere in eastern europe but without allied supplies and resources final victory would have still alluded them remember how in 1914-1917 the germans routed many russian invasions
 

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So with that mind let's answer your question on why (Nazi) German is evil and US is not:
Well, Nazi German was certainly evil, there is no doubt about this. But US was not an innocent school boy either.

1. Germany started WW2 by invading its neighbors. USA on the other hand wanted nothing to do with European power play) - so clearly Germany is the evil one;
Oh, no, US wanted nothing but dominant role in the world. They were the one first suggesting League of Nations. When they realise that they couldn't control this league, they back out. Instead, they were the one providing funds and military technologies for Germany re-arming.

2. Nazi Germany systematically massacred millions of Jewish, gypsies, communists via extermination camps. America did no such thing - so here again Germany is clearly the evil; and,
No, US had finished their mission 50 years earlier before WW2 on a far larger scale - Indians.

3. After WW2 America spent Billions of dollars under Martial Plan to help the economies of all countries in Europe, allies and foes alike. Ameroca even offered fonancial assistance to USSR but Stalin was too proud to accept. Here America is an angel.
You forget to mention those pollical, economical and military condition attached to this Martial Plan. Under this plan, everyone became Yankee's bitch.

4. USA helped China tepel Imperial Japanese forces. Without their help you'd be speaking Niponggo now;
You again forget another fact: Until Jul 1941, USA had always been the top supplier to Japan on strategic goods, such as oil, steel, machines, financial loan etc, etc. Around 60-80% of these critical supplies came from them. Without their support, Japanese had to stopped their war in 1938 by financial collapse.

5. USA helped Japan and other Asian countries aftet WW2.
The only reason they did that was to contain the communism. Just look at the geographical positions of Japan and 4 tigers. They were all critical for containing USSR and China. On the other hand, other Asian countries were not so lucky.

first, against Imperisl Japsnese invasion;
Yes, they were also the reason that we had to fight 8 years not 1 year.

2. Economically in the early 90s by ttansferring American manufacturing to China and buying Chinese products. You should be grateful!
You call that help? You forget all these were not free. Then, I also say that Chinese bought the wasted American manufacture capacity at premium price and selling Chinese products at peanut price, in fact keeping ordinary Americans' living standard in a declining income. Should they be grateful?
 

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and by 1942 RAF was turning german cities into dante's infernos
the reason why UK USA didnt enter as they delayed to open a second front till 1944 so they can bleed the russians white
ofcourse red army did 80% of the fighting but that is because the UK USA astutely saved their resources and let the russians shoulder most of the burden from 42-44

soviets could have fought the germans to a stalemate somewhere in eastern europe but without allied supplies and resources final victory would have still alluded them remember how in 1914-1917 the germans routed many russian invasions
Not true. First, the British Army and US Army in 1941-42 were still were not trained properly to counter the professional German army. That's why instead of landing in France and be annihilated by a superior German force the Western allies first focused in the Desert were the mainly faced Italian and later on much smaller and detached (from mainland Europe) German army under Rommel. Second, until 1943 the Atlantic convoy was not yet secure as the allies have not yet closed the u-boat gap. So America cannot risk sending sufficient materiele to Europe or additional supplies needed to start a sustain a Western front from France. Third, until the end of 1943 the Western allies have not yet mastered the skies over France. Thus any invading force landing on France would be in dsnger of Luftwaffe attacks. That's why the bomb8ng on German cities were intensified to draw in Luftwaffe fighters. And the strategy was successful. Luftwaffe fighters were annihilated not over France but over Germany.
 

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This is an interesting lecture in John Hopkins University about the development and decisive role of proximity fuse (then called VT fuse):


In all the technological advancements that were so critical in WW2 according to the lecturer were:

1. Radar;
2. Atomic bomb; and,
3. VT or proximity fuse.
 

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nazis did to europeans what other europeans did to other races ...that is their biggest "crime"
You mean the NAZIS simply mass murdered millions Jewish, Gypsies, gays, liberal thinkers and Communists in Europe? No big deal right? Anyway, Stalin would kill almost the same number of his own people in the USSR during his bloody reign and thousands of Polish intelligentia, political and military leadership after Stalin's successful alliance with Hitler (yes, Stalin and Hitler were allies at the start of WW2)...

Such twisted minds.
 
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In fact, the reason that Stalin entered into an all8ance with Hitler is to give himself a buffer zone (half of Poland) from what what sure to be a European wide war. Stalin wanted to sit out the war in Europe after his backstabbing Polish 8nvasion until such time that alk parties are worn down. Then he would swept fown on Europe and defeat both Nazis and Western allies who he calculated would be severely weakened after several years of all-out war.

Unfortunately for Stalin, Hitler is crazier than he was and invaded USSR instead of conquering Britain.
 

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Against German Army, the US artillery sysyem was devastating. The US Army did not develop artilleries bigger than 155mm, they mainly used 105mm, but they massed their artillery fire from dispersed locations using radio coordination. The effect was devastating on the Germans from Italy to France onto Germany.


US Army artillery units had ground and air forward observers with radios who relay enemy positions to a division blearing center, then the target is distributed to spread out batteries who quickly calculsted firing solutions bssed on computation tape, and then they would do time-on-target that allows several batteries to stagger fire at a target from different locations and their shells would hit at the same time. US Army artilleries were also very mobile.
 

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In fact, the reason that Stalin entered into an all8ance with Hitler is to give himself a buffer zone (half of Poland) from what what sure to be a European wide war. Stalin wanted to sit out the war in Europe after his backstabbing Polish 8nvasion until such time that alk parties are worn down. Then he would swept fown on Europe and defeat both Nazis and Western allies who he calculated would be severely weakened after several years of all-out war.
No, Stalin had to accept Hitler's "peace" offer because UK and France turned down or ignored Soviet's alliance offer in multiple meetings. UK/France attitude towards Hilter entrance into Czech made Stalin believe that Western countries were encouraging Hitler to attack Soviet. So, he just did what British and France did - turn Hitler's attention to the other side and won himself some times.

Unfortunately for Stalin, Hitler is crazier than he was and invaded USSR instead of conquering Britain.
No, everyone knew that Nazi couldn't conquer Britain after Dunkirk.
Stalin was desperate not crazier: he need to delay German's attack as much as he can. His army wouldn't be ready until 1943.
Neither was Hitler: his navy was not strong enough to either invade UK, or break the block. Soviet was becoming stronger in everyday he wasted in the west. The last window to win the war against Russia was 1941.
 

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No, Stalin had to accept Hitler's "peace" offer because UK and France turned down or ignored Soviet's alliance offer in multiple meetings. UK/France attitude towards Hilter entrance into Czech made Stalin believe that Western countries were encouraging Hitler to attack Soviet. So, he just did what British and France did - turn Hitler's attention to the other side and won himself some times.
Poland did not want an alliance with Stalin as it would be suicide. So UK and France initially was cool to Stalin. But after Czechoslovakian invasion and it became clear that Hitler would not be pacified by a few lollipops Britain this time approached Stalin but Stalin changed his mind he want an alliance Hitler.

You see Stalin from the start did not want to protect Poland, it wanted to annex it as a buffer zone. A sacrificial territory where it aims to duel with Hitler later on Poles be damned.


No, everyone knew that Nazi couldn't conquer Britain after Dunkirk.
Stalin was desperate not crazier: he need to delay German's attack as much as he can. His army wouldn't be ready until 1943.
Neither was Hitler: his navy was not strong enough to either invade UK, or break the block. Soviet was becoming stronger in everyday he wasted in the west. The last window to win the war against Russia was 1941.
The Stalin-Hitler love fest happened before the start of WW2. In fact without Stalin's alliance with Hitler it is doubtful that Hitler would have invaded Poland for it meant he would have to fight UK-France and the USSR at once. Most likely there would have been no WW2.

Note that Nazi Germany was actually militarily and industrially weaker that it projected itself to be. Hitler relied on bluffs that he got away with since Chamberlaine was a sirrender monkey. The German Army were still mostly horse reliant.

As I said in my previous post, Stalin's strategy from the beginning was to let those capitalist Europeans slug it out and then when they're drained much like in WW1 he will swoop in to take pretty much all of Europe. Polamd was his buffer from the European war until the right time for him to strike.
 

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Poland did not want an alliance with Stalin as it would be suicide. So UK and France initially was cool to Stalin. But after Czechoslovakian invasion and it became clear that Hitler would not be pacified by a few lollipops Britain this time approached Stalin but Stalin changed his mind he want an alliance Hitler.
That was not true.

On Aug 15, 1939, Stalin made an offer of military assistance to West, including 120 infantry divions, 16 cavalry divisions, 5000 heavy artilleries, 9500 tanks and over 5,500 fighters/bombers in their negotiation with UK/France in Moscow. But the British delegation told them that they were only authorized to talk, not to make deals.

Another thing to be noticed: in this talk, Stalin sent out his Minister of Defense – Marshal kliment Voroshilov while Britain and France only sent mior military officials: Admiral Admiral Reginald Drax and General Aimé Doumenc. This tells you how seriously UK/France thought about an alliance with Soviet.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html

You see Stalin from the start did not want to protect Poland, it wanted to annex it as a buffer zone. A sacrificial territory where it aims to duel with Hitler later on Poles be damned.

The Stalin-Hitler love fest happened before the start of WW2. In fact without Stalin's alliance with Hitler it is doubtful that Hitler would have invaded Poland for it meant he would have to fight UK-France and the USSR at once. Most likely there would have been no WW2.
See, this is an issue: there was no trust on both sides. Westerners believed that Stalin was planning to take over the whole world while Stalin and Russians believed that West was using Hitler as their tool of destroying Soviet. They got good reasons to think so:

  1. Just 20 years ago, West played an important role in Russia’s civil war;
  2. Since Hitler got into power, Western leaders publicly hailed him as the warrior of defending western civilization against communism;
  3. Until 26 Aug 1939, neither of UK and France mobilized their troops (the official military mobilization was announced in Sep after invasion started), it is very doubtful how soon they could start any meaningful offense. Without a treaty, it was highly likely that Russians would have to fight alone in next 6-12 months, or even to death.


Note that Nazi Germany was actually militarily and industrially weaker that it projected itself to be. Hitler relied on bluffs that he got away with since Chamberlaine was a sirrender monkey. The German Army were still mostly horse reliant.
Nazi Germany was not as strong as they claim, but UK/France were even worse. Their soldiers didn’t receive enough training, troops lacked experienced officers, weapons, transport vehicle/horse, fuel, ammunition for a long war. The fact that their troops didn’t do anything during the whole Poland invasion tells you their readiness. The simple fact you don’t know is: the mobilization of France was even finished until the day she stopped fighting.





As I said in my previous post, Stalin's strategy from the beginning was to let those capitalist Europeans slug it out and then when they're drained much like in WW1 he will swoop in to take pretty much all of Europe. Polamd was his buffer from the European war until the right time for him to strike.
Your point of view was not supported by any fact.
 

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