Why Germany lost WW2?

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so I am starting this thread to discuss what could be the possible reasons for Nazi Germany defeat in WW2. Members are free to give their opinion or points which they think cause the final downfall of the third Reich or sealed it's fate.

there could be no. of reasons --- which can be further elaborated. anyone can add more points if they want.

• invasion of Soviet Union.
• germany underestimation of Soviet reserve's.
• incompetency of Hitler & German higher command.
• not investing in navy.
• declaring war on US.
• operation Uranus( destruction of 6th army).
•Bagration ( destruction of army group center).
• lack of oil.

In my personal opinion it's was moving Guderian 2nd panzer south for encirclement of Kiev which sealed Wehrmacht fate as it delayed offensive on Moscow & it's captured before winter.

anyone watching this thread. You are free to add your opinion or points you think were responsible for German defeat.
 

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Hitler was an idiot who admired the United kingdom and attacked Soviets. That was his biggest blunder.
 

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Hitler was an idiot who admired the United kingdom and attacked Soviets. That was his biggest blunder.
How could you miss Hitler and Stalin's intense albeit short love affair which made sure that WW2 happens? Without Stalin's complicity, Hitler most probably might not have invaded Poland. You see Hitler and Stalin were the perfect twins, maniacal and blood-thirsty despots.

Go ahead google Molotov-Rebbintrop Pact.
 

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They had a good Navy. Their U-boats sunk many Allied ships until their code got deciphered.

The Luftwaffe and the Japanese pilots were also far superior and had been flying since a longer time than anything the Allies had.

Their Panzer hardware and wolfpack tactics were also superior to the Shermans.

#OP Barbarossa mistake is an incidental loss due to the campaign getting dragged into winter otherwise if they had started 2 weeks ago as planned, the German war machine was much superior than Russians and the calculation of the timeline of victory was on point. They would have won it and grabbed the oil fields for which they had invaded and used it to fuel their offensive on the western side. Even the Russians knew it, so they used scorch earth instead of direct resistance and trapped them.

Gotta admire the fact that this one nation fought with the combined might of US, Russia, Britain, France and all of these had their colonies which supplied unlimited resources and manpower and had more strategic depth all over the world. Germany had none of that, neither the colonies, nor the oil, nor the colonial slaves to die for them. They did it all on their own (and also helped INA).

It's post-rationalization to say that they were destined to lose because they were evil. That's the American narrative. Had the US delayed its help to Britain by a couple of weeks, then Britain would have permanently evaporated. So it's a matter of timing. Had the Germans purchased oil reserves from Russia as part of the same mutual-non-aggression pact, it would have translated into a victory against Britain and the US would have no launchpad to amass troops to sail to Normandy. THEN they could have finished off Russia last. They opened the Russia front to get free oil and got stuck.

Moral : Never invade other countries for oil. It always backfires. A lesson Murica never learnt.
 
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He was both socialist and advocated white supremacy. So yeah, it's like one of those things that should never be mixed I guess.
You are a victim of American progressive's History, "The Big Lie" and I don't blame you.

White supremacists were/are Leftist Democrats.
 

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Hitler was a rightest, to the farthest right.

Anything of extreme, right or left, etc. is always not good.
How was he right when he headed a party called socialists workers party. Dont equate Right = fascists cz it isnt.
Mussolini was heading fascist party anonther extremist ideology.
Fascism is characterized as far right which is outright Propaganda.
 

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Hitler was a rightest, to the farthest right.

Anything of extreme, right or left, etc. is always not good.
You are a simpleton, your definitions are crooked. I have left a few tag words, do a bit more research and come back after some time. Don't rush.
 

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How was he right when he headed a party called socialists workers party. Dont equate Right = fascists cz it isnt.
Mussolini was heading fascist party anonther extremist ideology.
Fascism is characterized as far right which is outright Propaganda.
Glad to know Indians read and analyse history dispassionately, not just follow popular propaganda history.
 

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After it is settled whether Hitler is RW or LW Ideologue I will add my opinion why he lost.
 

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How was he right when he headed a party called socialists workers party. Dont equate Right = fascists cz it isnt.
Mussolini was heading fascist party anonther extremist ideology.
Fascism is characterized as far right which is outright Propaganda.
Both right and left wing politics espouses a certain form of social order or ideas. Right wingers are conservatives that supports a social heirarchy normally based on race or nationality while left wingers believe in social and economic equality regardless of race or nationality. So "social" is present in both ideas and so don't be surprised by right wingers claming to be national socialists.
 

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How was he right when he headed a party called socialists workers party. Dont equate Right = fascists cz it isnt.
Mussolini was heading fascist party anonther extremist ideology.
Fascism is characterized as far right which is outright Propaganda.
He was a Protestant Christian building a Fatherland (the reference to 'the father' is modeled after the Christian concept of fatherhood) + the Nazi state believed in private property ownership. Their socialism was in name only because he didn't follow it after coming to power. (Much like the secularism of our parties :troll:)

This from Britannica : https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

Over the following years the brothers Otto and Gregor Strasser did much to grow the party by tying Hitler’s racist nationalism to socialist rhetoric that appealed to the suffering lower middle classes. In doing so, the Strassers also succeeded in expanding the Nazi reach beyond its traditional Bavarian base. By the late 1920s, however, with the German economy in free fall, Hitler had enlisted support from wealthy industrialists who sought to pursue avowedly anti-socialist policies. Otto Strasser soon recognized that the Nazis were neither a party of socialists nor a party of workers, and in 1930 he broke away to form the anti-capitalist Schwarze Front (Black Front). Gregor remained the head of the left wing of the Nazi Party, but the lot for the ideological soul of the party had been cast.
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They had a free market economic system but a Christian conservative social system i.e if you innovate, you'd be rewarded, but if you choose to be a vagabond and refuse to participate in the national action plan, the party would label you a traitor. Drugs were banned. There was no space for hedonism. Everyone was supposed to stick to their national plan. There was no space for classic RW libertarianism.
 
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You are a victim of American progressive's History, "The Big Lie" and I don't blame you.

White supremacists were/are Leftist Democrats.
The fact that KKK clan was formed by members of democratic party(those defeated in the Civil War) is an oft buried knowledge to member of the radical left in US.

Coming to Hitler himself I personally believe that attacking Russia without finishing off UK was a big mistake. Obviously the Russian invasion was a race war for Hitler. The English were of Germanic origin so he was less inclined to attack them but in times of war you have to forget racial affiliation and other such nonsense. Finally not putting enough resources on the A bomb was his biggest folly. It could have atleast prevented a total collapse and unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany.
 
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Both right and left wing politics espouses a certain form of social order or ideas. Right wingers are conservatives that supports a social heirarchy normally based on race or nationality while left wingers believe in social and economic equality regardless of race or nationality. So "social" is present in both ideas and don't be surprised by one right wingers claming to be national socialists.

You are a conman.

You have intentionally misconstrued the definition of right-wing which emphasis only on natural law, economics and tradition. Social hierarchy and inequality is the result of cultural difference or competition in market economy.

German Socialists used to report Stalin and would take orders from him. Hitler called them traitors and invented the National Socialist Party to localize their allegiance. The Nazi manifesto was socialist leftist in its all 25 points. Hitler nationalized socialism to control power. He was nationalists for the sake of advancing Socialism.
 

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He was a Protestant Christian building a Fatherland (the reference to 'the father' is modeled after the Christian concept of fatherhood) + the Nazi state believed in private property ownership. Their socialism was in name only because he didn't follow it after coming to power. (Much like the secularism of our parties :troll:)

This from Britannica : https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists



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They had a free market economic system but a Christian conservative social system i.e if you innovate, you'd be rewarded, but if you choose to be a vagabond and refuse to participate in the national action plan, the party would label you a traitor. Drugs were banned. There was no space for hedonism. Everyone was supposed to stick to their national plan. There was no space for classic RW libertarianism.
There was no place for hedonism yet Nazi Germany had one of the highest rates of casual relationships which may have been a hang over of the ultra liberal Weimar Republic. Hitler and Goebbels advocated strict conservative values but were womanisers themselves. Hitler himself did not marry Eva Braun but chose to live in an open relationship with her.

Strange ain't it.
 

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