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I disagree. Turks only had regional Kingdoms in north India just like the natives and like I said before they were struggling, not exactly ruling properly as Imperials would. When one rules a place, they record it as a revenue tract or establish their minister and premanent garrison there. Also their rule in that place should be corroborated by local epigraphic evidence like coins, inscriptions etc.
These don't hold true for "most of North India" with the Turkish hypothesis. Reality is that Turks were mostly confined in town and forts surrounded by numerous native chieftains in the country side. So neither the patchy rule was pan north india, nor its was "all the way to the 18th century."

R C Majumdar : As a matter of fact, the Muslim authority in Northern India, throughout the 13th century, was tantamount to a military occupation of a large number of important centres without any effective occupation, far less a systematic administration of the country at large.
It is beyond doubt that the Turks were predominant in the most productive areas of North India (Haryana, Delhi, UP, Bihar, West Bengal) throughout the 13th century. Iqtas (land grants) were regularly issued by the Sultans of Delhi in the Indo-Gangetic plain to subordinate military commanders, who used the revenue of these land grants to support themselves and their armies. These Turkish warlords sometimes acknowledges Delhi's suzerainty, and sometimes didn't. But either as governors of the Sultan of Delhi or as independent rulers, they nonetheless ruled much of the Indo-Gangetic Plain, and extracted taxes and tribute from the local population and chieftains. I would agree that Turkish rule in the 13th century resembled more of a military occupation than an organized, bureaucratic empire (it wouldn't become that until Alauddin Khalji's time, and that too only for a brief time), but military occupation is still a form of rule. If we extend this logic, then we can also say that no Arab ever ruled Iran, since the brief one-and-a-half century of Arab rule in Iran was also little more than a military occupation.

One should also consider the role of the Mongol conquests in the 13th century politics of North India. The Sultans of Delhi had a very real reason to be wary of the Mongol hordes beyond the northwest border, who had sacked Lahore and threatened Delhi itself. The Mongol threat prevented further expansion into India until they were finally defeated by Alauddin Khalji. Certainly, the Mongols posed far more of a threat to the Sultanate than any petty raja/rai or chieftain.


Even till the end of 14th century, we know with surity that the lands of the Delhi Sultanate still were dominated by Rajput and Jat chieftains.
Timur himself testifies to this when he mentions about fighting fellow Muslims only outside the gates of Delhi; but mentions of fighting Jat and Rajput chieftains while passing through Multan, Bhatner, Jammu and Kangra regions.
By the end of the 14th century, the authority of the Delhi Sultanate had declined, and it had become a mere regional state. It lost its hegemony over North India that it enjoyed before, as independent sultanates had been established in Jaunpur (U.P./Bihar), Bengal, Gujarat, Malwa, etc. Part of this loss of central authority meant that local chieftains and tribes would begin to assert themselves again, in the territory that was formerly under its rule.

Actually, Muslim rule over North India in the 15th century was far more pervasive and encompassing than it was in the 13th century. Even though it was now divided into many regional sultanates, rather than under a single pan-Indian sultanate as it was under the Khaljis and early Tughluqs, these regional sultans exercised more authority in their respective regions than governors subject to Delhi previously had. Also, while the Sultans of Delhi were merely concerned with extracting revenue from faraway provinces, and only developed lands close to Delhi itself, these regional sultans developed their own territories and organized better governments for their own locales, increasing their authority in said regions.


If Turks had been so succesfull in north India:
a) We would see much higher muslim population, given the time they had (more than 3 centuries)
b) Babur would not have to fight any serious wars in north India after getting rid of Lodi.
c) The likes of Hammir, Ranmal, Kumbha and Sanga (right next to Delhi-Agra) would not sustain against the Turks for centuries.
d) They would not keep the Turkish Kings & Princes captive on many occasions, that too for months.
e) They would not defeat Sultanates and Khanzadas in battles on all sides (Gwalior, Malwa, Gujarat & Mewat).
f) Sanga would not be breathing down the neck of Lodi, after defeating him twice; having Peela Khal near Agra as his northern boundary. Would like to remind here that Lodis had Agra as their capital !!
g) Kumbha would not raze the Nagor Sultanate down to ground, destroying mosques and forts alike.
h) Mandals of villages would not be harrassing the Turkish garrisons at their bases whenever the latter's main forces were drawn out in battles against organized Rajput forces.
g) We would not see native Kings stamping their own coins, inscriptions, sanctioning construction of temples, ponds etc. Only militarily and financially sovereign, capable States do that.
h) Both sides would not be wresting forts from each other time and again.
i) Kashmir and hill states of Himachal Pradesh wouldn't be out of reach for Turks till 1354 A.D.
a) Not necessarily. The Ottomans ruled Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary, etc. for even longer, and far more closely, but these regions were not Islamized.
b) The only major Hindu ruler that Babur fought after defeating Sultan Ibrahim was Rana Sangha, whom he defeated. The real threat to the Mughals, and the ultimate cause for Humayun's exodus to Persia, did not come from any Hindu rajas but the remaining Afghan nobles and generals, Sher Khan in particular. The Mughals had to fight Hemu Vikramaditya when they returned to India, but Hemu rose to prominence by serving under the Suri Afghans, not as an independent Hindu raja or chieftain. Many of the troops under his command were Afghans.
In fact, it is telling that Babur in his Baburnama, when describing the political situation in Hindustan, only mentions five Muslim states (Delhi, Bengal, Gujarat, and Malwa, and the Bahmanis in the Deccan) and two Hindu states (Vijayanagar and Mewar). The rest were too minor and weak to even mention.
c) The Turks did not rule over Rajasthan, except Ajmer, Nagaur, and Mador. As far as I know, no iqta assignments were made in the territrory of Rajasthan. Alauddin Khalji subjugated most of the country and installed puppet rulers, but that was temporary. However, Rajasthan =/= most of North India.
d) See above
e) See above
f) See above
g) See above
h) Largely irrelevant
i) Which kings were those, where they ruling, and when?
j) Which forts, where, and when?
k) Kashmir and Himachal Pradesh were peripheral regions with poor agricultural lands. The primary interest of the Turks was in acquiring plunder and extracting revenue from the land. Turkish military campaigns were carried out with such financial prospects in mind. If the Turks could invade Maharashtra in 1296 and Andhra in 1303, there's no reason why they couldn't invade Kashmir or Uttarakhand before 1354. They chose to invade the former over the latter because the financial rewards of the campaigns were expected to be much greater (and they were).


Except Iltutmish and Alauddin Khilji (total 45 years), none of the Turks were able to hold sway over majority of north India.
Further, when Khaljis tried to expand into south, they were melted up in north. Jaisalmer, Chittor, and Siwana were lost quickly. Mewar and Marwar went out of reach due to heavy guerrilla warfare. By 1388 even Ajmer and Nagaur were taken back as native Kingdoms and by the beginning of 15th century Jhunjunu near Delhi was regulary raided by the armies of Rana Lakha, emanating from south Rajasthan.
Rana Kshetra Singh defeated Malwa Turks in 1389.
Since the beginning of the 13th century, with the likes of Qutbuddin Aibak and Bakhtiyar Khalji carrying out campaigns deep into the Indo-Gangetic Plain, the Turks held sway over most of North India. You are confusing the domination of North India by Turks (in the plural) with domination by a single Turkish sultan. Throughout the 13th century, North India was dominated by Turkish military slaves, but not all were always loyal subjects of Delhi. Many of the campaigns waged by the Sultans of Delhi in the 13th century were against fellow Turkish governors who had assumed too much independence and rebelled against Delhi's authority (like Balban's campaign against his slave Tughril in 1280-82, who had established an independent realm in Bengal). It was not until the time of Alauddin Khalji, that a single Muslim sultan dominated most of North India in an organized, centralized fashion, but this doesn't change the fact that Muslims had dominated North India for most of the preceding century. They just were not consolidated into a single, cohesive political entity.

The major threats to the authority and territorial integrity of the Sultans of Delhi were as follows, in order from greatest to least seriousness:
1) The leading Turkish nobles (chahalgani and regional military governors.
2) The Mongol hordes on the NW frontier
3) Other Islamic states in Afghanistan and West-Central Asia

The threat from the local Hindu nobles kings/chieftains came a very distant fourth. There was never a time in the 13th-14th centuries when the existence of the Delhi Sultanat was ever seriously endangered by Hindu rajas and rais.


14th century is full of rebellions in Gujarat, Sindh, Deccan and Bengal.
These rebellions were by regional Muslim governors, not Hindu kings or chieftains. They resulted in the establishment of regional Muslim sultanates and actually enhanced Muslim authority over India as a whole, as explained previously.
 

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Between 7th cent AD and 11 cent AD Iran became went 40% to 100% Muslim.
It was more like, 0%-40% between the 7th and 9th centuries, 40%-80% between the 9th century and end of 11th century, and 80%-95%+ in subsequent centuries.

During the 9th and 10th centuries, there was a great Persian "renaissance" of sorts, which is most often associated with the Samanid dynasty. It was the Samanids who were largely responsible for preserving the Persian language and Persian culture during this time, and in fact, brought Persian civilization to greater heights than ever seen before.


Agree with your observation on Iranians turning away from Islam - this is in US only perhaps ?
I think it is happening in Iran too. Many Iranians are quite young, and are born after the Islamic Revolution. They don't associate with the current regime like the older generation does. There will definitely be some sort of sociopolitical upheaval/change in the future. But again, Israel/U.S. will probably f*** up the region, like they did before.
 

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Wow, i had missed this thread till now. Anyways this thread has really no "on topic" topic and "off topic" topics, let me add my bit.
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WRT origins of kingdoms in gujarat or elsewhere, in india always "outsiders" had come over and established kingdoms. Over a period of time they become locals. Gujarat is no exception. Even in karnataka, Yaduraya who started mysore odeyar kingdom came from dwaraka. Anyways at that time mysore was a tiny principality under vijayanagar nowhere near the size it would later rule over. Similarly for gujarat, people came from today's rajasthan, and even karnataka(as in chalukya/solanki)

Yes, today a solanki would be a gujarati (maybe a proud one as well) and not a saauthi(one to be detested :wink: ) at all. Similarly a sena in bengal would be a bengali and not a karnataka guy. Nothing wrong in it.

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WRT certain communities in naarth/weest without whom nation would have been islamised long back is not right. Yes, there are contributions from them, but saying that without them others would have converted is not correct. South and north had different geo-politics and unfortunately didn't help each other as needed.

And wrt to islam not spreading in india compared to other places is lot more complex. Many things like social/political structures of the region come into play when an entire nation/region change their beliefs.
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In region east of iran muslim elites usually were persian or persianised in last millennium. They maintained their "elite" model over the locals (even over local muslim). Hence even after they being here for a long time over centuries they maintained their distinctiveness here. This was the case very much in north india than south india. As bahamani's employed local muslims in high positions, whereas neither sultanates nor mughals employed locals in high positions. Aristocracy was mainly in hands of persians or persianised people.
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Now coming to persians, entire persia didn't convert to islam in one strike/occasion. Yes, they also moulded islam as per their convenience. i.e. they persianised islam over a period of time. But by the time they began to re assert themsleves over arabs, two things happened which again took away the leadership from them. Crusades and mongol raids. This again placed the leadership into turks/mongol who were more aggressive. This ensured persia lost all advantages. Again they had to wait till few centuries for their place. East of persia (except SE asia), islam was persianised. Farsi language was the symbol of being an "elite". Everyone wrote in farsi and not arabic or their own tongues. But it doesn't mean, they were any super duper people. They had their defeats in region east of persia as well.

Slowly, they are are moving away from political islam, as they are seeing that they are not winning over arabs/turks for leadership of ummah. It all dpends how thing play in next few decades in the west asian region. If mullahs can't deliver iraninas their promised "leadership" postion among the faithfuls, there are lot a chances that iran may think of other possibilities outside of islam (maybe revert to Zoroaster).If this happens, then it may have its effects on islam east of iran.
 
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WRT above, I had always said people can originate anywhere in India and take on another regions ID, but there is a joker on this forum who kept saying "no. not gujarati, never Gujarati."

Anyway, with regard to Solankis, they have simply no oral tradition of migrating from outside of Western India. The Jhala Rajputs shown above say they came from Baluchistan millenia ago. No one knows if that's true as it can't be verified. But the point is that they have retained this memory after thousands of year. So it's laughable to claim that Solankis simply forgot what happened a century ago, while remembering the subsequent millenia.
 

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Said joker also writes on the Bharatrakshak forum, but there he does not hide his true identity. Writing style bhi same hai.....support for aryan theory, deep interest in Iran, encouraging fights between Indian communities.
 

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GUJARATI MUSLIMS PERSECUTED BY THE FOREIGN INVADERS​

Yeah this also happened. Bohras, Khojas, and others suffered at the hands of the sultans and the tyrant aurangzeb.

Some of the Bohras were forcibly converted to sunni sect by the sultans. In the 17th century Aurangzeb further converted the Bohra mosques to Sunni usage, killed their leader Sayyid Qutb and 700 of his followers, and arrested another named Khanji. Orthodox Muslims were appointed to instill Sunni doctrines in the Bohra children across each city and village of Gujarat.

Khojas also had sunni tenets forced on them and were slaughtered and their women children were sold as slaves when they resisted this conversion.

It was a Sunni Bohra named Abdul Wahab (of Patan) who aided the Mughal government in suppressing Shia practices in the Bohra community.
 

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Said joker also writes on the Bharatrakshak forum, but there he does not hide his true identity. Writing style bhi same hai.....support for aryan theory, deep interest in Iran, encouraging fights between Indian communities.
If you are talking about me, then you are wrong. I do not and have never posted on that forum.
 

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Anyway, with regard to Solankis, they have simply no oral tradition of migrating from outside of Western India. The Jhala Rajputs shown above say they came from Baluchistan millenia ago. No one knows if that's true as it can't be verified. But the point is that they have retained this memory after thousands of year. So it's laughable to claim that Solankis simply forgot what happened a century ago, while remembering the subsequent millenia.

@Simple_Guy
I just want to understand your point more clearly. Or what you maybe thinking but haven't articulated it well. Is your issue with the point:

1. Solankis are Chalukyas

2. Chalukyas were originally Kannadigas

Or is it that:

3. For all we know, Everyone is an immigrant, if we go back far enough. Nobody may have been Gujarati, but going back, we weren't "South Indians" or "North Indians" either, as we would refer to them these days. We all are from around Sindhu/Central Asia/Persia/Africa/Asia Minor/etc anyway.

If you are having an issue with point 1 or 2, I have provided some reasonings and we can discuss it further. But if you happen to agree with point #3, then our views may be on the same page, albeit subconsciously. ;-)
 
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And in addition, when the Chalukyas/Rashtrakutas ruled over Andhra/Maratha nations, the people in there never got a feeling that they were ruled by foreigners. And there is no specific reason for the Chalukyas to have let the people of Gujarat develop such a feeling. Just saying :)
 

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@Simple_Guy
I just want to understand your point more clearly.
Your point my point don't matter. What matters is what the inscriptions state and what oral traditions says.

1. Solankis are Chalukyas
No. They are CAULUKYAS. Different spelling pronunciation from the Deccan Chalukya. From CAULUKYA we get SAULUKKI and then SOLANKI.

Everything else about these two, whether the Gods they worshiped, their symbols, and their traditions, all are completely different.

By the way, do Chalukya have anything like a kuldevi, because the Caulukyas certainly do.
 
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Apart from the superficial similarity of names there is simply nothing to connect the Chalukya with the Caulukya of Western India.

But if for emotional reasons people want to believe that they were, it's all very well on the Internet. But if the joker on this forum ever went to Gujarat and started saying that Solankis were not Gujarati, they would be b!tch-slapped all the way back to Teheran
 

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And its not anything against any region. For example Senas of Bengal were originally from south and they proudly state it in their inscriptions.

But if neither inscriptions nor tradition mention any connection, it is ridiculous to keep claiming that Caulukyas of Western India are the same as Chalukyas of Deccan.
 

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Your point my point don't matter. What matters is what the inscriptions state and what oral traditions says.



No. They are CAULUKYAS. Different spelling pronunciation from the Deccan Chalukya. From CAULUKYA we get SAULUKKI and then SOLANKI.

Everything else about these two, whether the Gods they worshiped, their symbols, and their traditions, all are completely different.

By the way, do Chalukya have anything like a kuldevi, because the Caulukyas certainly do.
Actually, your pronunciation or mine doesn't matter coz the inscriptions do not give pronunciation but spelling. :D
So what is the language and the spelling in the inscriptions?
 

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It is beyond doubt that the Turks were predominant in the most productive areas of North India (Haryana, Delhi, UP, Bihar, West Bengal) throughout the 13th century. Iqtas (land grants) were regularly issued by the Sultans of Delhi in the Indo-Gangetic plain to subordinate military commanders, who used the revenue of these land grants to support themselves and their armies.
I am not debating on Indo-Gangetic plains but on the notion that most of North India was held and islamized by Turks.

One should also consider the role of the Mongol conquests in the 13th century politics of North India. The Sultans of Delhi had a very real reason to be wary of the Mongol hordes beyond the northwest border, who had sacked Lahore and threatened Delhi itself. The Mongol threat prevented further expansion into India until they were finally defeated by Alauddin Khalji. Certainly, the Mongols posed far more of a threat to the Sultanate than any petty raja/rai or chieftain.
Then we should also remember the fact that Mongols had displaced a huge number of Turks who entered north India and disturbed the politico-military balance in favor of the existing Sultanates here.

By the end of the 14th century, the authority of the Delhi Sultanate had declined, and it had become a mere regional state. It lost its hegemony over North India that it enjoyed before, as independent sultanates had been established in Jaunpur (U.P./Bihar), Bengal, Gujarat, Malwa, etc. Part of this loss of central authority meant that local chieftains and tribes would begin to assert themselves again, in the territory that was formerly under its rule.
And every instance such a thing happened, people have lost no time in reverting to their ancestral faith and sidelined native rulers/clans have quickly recovered the lost ground

Actually, Muslim rule over North India in the 15th century was far more pervasive and encompassing than it was in the 13th century. Even though it was now divided into many regional sultanates, rather than under a single pan-Indian sultanate as it was under the Khaljis and early Tughluqs,
Neither the Khaljis and Tughlaqa had pan-Indian sultanates nor they were pan-north Indian.

It these regional sultans exercised more authority in their respective regions than governors subject to Delhi previously had. Also, while the Sultans of Delhi were merely concerned with extracting revenue from faraway provinces, and only developed lands close to Delhi itself, these regional sultans developed their own territories and organized better governments for their own locales, increasing their authority in said regions.
Many sultanates still complied to Delhi because they were fearful of being torn apart by the native powers had they distance themselves from Delhi.
Later the governors rebellions and independent sultanates came up because Delhi itself had no power left to exert on them.
Allied or alone, they were still holed up in their forts and towns for most of the times. Effective rule and conversions need active continuous presence in country side and permanent garrisons in local small forts.


a) Not necessarily. The Ottomans ruled Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary, etc. for even longer, and far more closely, but these regions were not Islamized.
Arabs, Turks initially and Mughals on and off .. they all tried to convert people. Sword, Tax, Incentives .. everything was tried. Problem is, nothing succeeded that well. It is not because the invaders were gentlemen. It is because our people were resolute.

b) The only major Hindu ruler that Babur fought after defeating Sultan Ibrahim was Rana Sangha, whom he defeated. The real threat to the Mughals, and the ultimate cause for Humayun's exodus to Persia, did not come from any Hindu rajas but the remaining Afghan nobles and generals, Sher Khan in particular.
We are not concerned about only the major recorded wards here. In a country as fragmented as India, you would have to fight 100 small battles if not ten large ones to dominate huge areas or else forge alliances (only Mughals did it properly). Besides, we know that Indians had the gall to bounce back with surprises like Hemu.

The Mughals had to fight Hemu Vikramaditya when they returned to India, but Hemu rose to prominence by serving under the Suri Afghans, not as an independent Hindu raja or chieftain. Many of the troops under his command were Afghans.
He was aware of the fact and constantly recruiting Hindu troops while marching towards Delhi.

In fact, it is telling that Babur in his Baburnama, when describing the political situation in Hindustan, only mentions five Muslim states (Delhi, Bengal, Gujarat, and Malwa, and the Bahmanis in the Deccan) and two Hindu states (Vijayanagar and Mewar). The rest were too minor and weak to even mention.
Again, counting major states is irrelevant in a politically and militarily fractured north India.

c) The Turks did not rule over Rajasthan, except Ajmer, Nagaur, and Mador. As far as I know, no iqta assignments were made in the territrory of Rajasthan. Alauddin Khalji subjugated most of the country and installed puppet rulers, but that was temporary. However, Rajasthan =/= most of North India.
Agreed. So is true about Kashmir and Himachal, Malwa, Central India of Chandels etc. What is left is Indo-Ganetic plains accessed via Punjab. That is not called "Most of north India". Furthermore, that is zenith of Turkish terirtory, not what they held from day one to the last day. And the kind of hold they had, has been discussed already.
i) Which kings were those, where they ruling, and when?
Apart from Lohara dynasty 1003–1320 CE .. there were entities like Chaks, Zulchu etc.

k) Kashmir and Himachal Pradesh were peripheral regions with poor agricultural lands. The primary interest of the Turks was in acquiring plunder and extracting revenue from the land. Turkish military campaigns were carried out with such financial prospects in mind. If the Turks could invade Maharashtra in 1296 and Andhra in 1303, there's no reason why they couldn't invade Kashmir or Uttarakhand before 1354. They chose to invade the former over the latter because the financial rewards of the campaigns were expected to be much greater (and they were).
The reason why they didn't invade includes the geographia and terrain. From Gakkhar like tribes against Mahmud to Sikhs against Mughals and Afghans .. natives used these hill states to retreat into safety of natural defense and launch raids on enemy in the plains as and when opportunity came. Something similar to what Pratap did in Mewar. Anyway, point being, neither the places are out of India nor the inhabitants.

Since the beginning of the 13th century, with the likes of Qutbuddin Aibak and Bakhtiyar Khalji carrying out campaigns deep into the Indo-Gangetic Plain, the Turks held sway over most of North India. You are confusing the domination of North India by Turks (in the plural) with domination by a single Turkish sultan.
I know just how much power these broken sultanates wielded, because not only they were repeatedly defeated, Nagor was decimated by Kumbha and Sanga's border with Delhi Sultanate was Peelakhal, near Agra, their capital !!!

Throughout the 13th century, North India was dominated by Turkish military slaves, but not all were always loyal subjects of Delhi. Many of the campaigns waged by the Sultans of Delhi in the 13th century were against fellow Turkish governors who had assumed too much independence and rebelled against Delhi's authority (like Balban's campaign against his slave Tughril in 1280-82, who had established an independent realm in Bengal). It was not until the time of Alauddin Khalji, that a single Muslim sultan dominated most of North India in an organized, centralized fashion, but this doesn't change the fact that Muslims had dominated North India for most of the preceding century. They just were not consolidated into a single, cohesive political entity.
I'm not debating the influence of 1-2 cases like Alauddin. Yet the fact that Delhi couldn't evaporate co-religionalist rebellious governors/sultanates reveals just how much power they had anyway. Like I said .. regional sultanates most of the times.

The major threats to the authority and territorial integrity of the Sultans of Delhi were as follows, in order from greatest to least seriousness:
1) The leading Turkish nobles (chahalgani and regional military governors.
2) The Mongol hordes on the NW frontier
3) Other Islamic states in Afghanistan and West-Central Asia
They were also harassed by mandals of villages who would hold up revenue and conduct raids as soon as the bulk of Turkish army sets out for field wards and campaigns against oganized native armies like Rajputs. It is not out of the blue that every Indian farmers's house had swords/lances against Turks and matchlocks against Mughals. Resistance was right at the grassroots and that is why Turks left the people alone most of the times and that is why we don't see an islamized north India today.

The threat from the local Hindu nobles kings/chieftains came a very distant fourth. There was never a time in the 13th-14th centuries when the existence of the Delhi Sultanat was ever seriously endangered by Hindu rajas and rais.
Will not repeat what I've written already.

These rebellions were by regional Muslim governors, not Hindu kings or chieftains.
How could they? Hindu Kings weren't allying with Turks in the first place.
They resulted in the establishment of regional Muslim sultanates and actually enhanced Muslim authority over India as a whole, as explained previously.
The likes of Lodis were already teetering against Sanga. Fragmentation rather broke the muslim power further, unfortunately the Mughals came in. Because natives (Hemu) didn't leave the tiniest gap between Surs and Mughals. Who knows what would've happened had the Mughals not come back.

1) Sindh was permanently lost to Arabs and was Islamized.
Arab hold on Sindh was tenous and defensive at best. They were defeated noth in Kangra by Lalitaditya Muktipada, defeated east by Gurjara-Pratiharas (Nagabhatta) and defeated south by Chalukyas (Pulakesin).
As for the islamization, it certainly didn't succeed during Arab rule.
Their hold wasn't even entire Sindh wide. Arabs controlled only two principalities - Multan and Mansurah.
Al-Masudi (915 AD) says that Multan was barely kept by blackmailing the Hindus. Whenever the native armies charged towards Multan, the Arabs threatened to break the idol of a famous temple in the city, forcing the enemy to withdraw immediately.
Al-Istakhri (951 AD) speaks in the same way "there is an idol held in great veneration by the Hindus ..... ..... when the Indians make war upon them & try to seize the idol, the inhabitants bring it out, pretending that they will break it & burn it. Upon this the Indians retire, otherwise they would destroy Multan."
Funny that after three centuries of constant efforts (backed by a strong Imperial empire), all that the Arabs had was Multan and Mansurah; that too by hiding behind the same idols they came to break.

Even Baladhuri laments over the bad conditions, while writing about Arab governor 'Hakim' :
"The people of India had returned to idolatory with the exception of the inhabitants of Qassah. A place of refuge to which the moslems might flee was not to be found. So he (Hakim) built on the furthe side of lake, where it borders on al-Hind, a city which he named al-Mahfuzah (protected) establishing it as a place of refuge fo them, where they should be secure and making it a capital.
Another city that was built at this time was al-Mansurah (victorious)."

This speaks enough for the loss of majority of Sindh from the Arabs hands. Further, the hold of Multan and Mansurah also was hinging upon the fact that Arabs stopped icnoclastic jihadi zealous treatment of the locals (thus pre-empting potential revolts).

Relentless resistance forced Hajjaj to send orders to Muhammad Bin Qasim :
"Permission is given to them to worship their Gods. Nobody must be forbidden or prevented from following his own religion .... once you have conquered the country and strengthened the forts, endeavour to console the subjects and soothe the residents."
People were allowed to re-build their temples and perform their worship, priests kept their allowance and native institutions were left as is, under the care of Dahir's Prime Minister.
The reason why Arabs had to soften up to maintain whatever hold they had left, was because people of this country would not convert to Islam, whether fire was used or sword.
As late as 9th century, Arab geographers were complaining "Islam has not made a single convert in India."
There you go . Islamized Sindh. I don't remember the Arabs (big power back then) to have behaved like this in any other Imperial/Holy conquests of theirs.

2) Persians (Saffarids) and Persianzied Turks overran Hindu kingdoms in Afghanistan and the NW frontier. These places were then Islamized.
Overran? Took them half a century to get rid of Shahis, who were worn out by constantly fighting with Arabs and Karkotas on two fronts for more than two centuries and didn't have well developed clan hierarchies to sustain losses, reversald in the long term.
Zabul-Kabul were lost in 870 A.D. but Kabul was back in Indian fold by 915 A.D. as confirmed by both Masudi and Elliott. Istakhri says in 10th century that Kabul's castle has muslims but the town was full of infidels.
Shahis shifted their capital and were still fighting against Turks in 10th century.

As for the islamization under Turks, commoners to Kings everyone turned back to their ancestral religions at the earliest opportunity. Anadapala Shahis's son Sukhapala (temporarily Nawas Shah) did the same even in the toughest phase of his life. He was imprisoned for the rest of his life and yet did not give up his Hindu religion.

3) Mahmud of Ghazni launched numerous invasions deep into North India (as far as Kanauj and Kalinjar), and established permanent Muslim rule in the Panjab. Beginning of the Islamization of the Panjab.
Among others, as many as 30,000 Gakkhars/Khokhara fell upon Mahmud's men in Shahis support.
The man who almost lost in WaiHind in 1008 AD.
The man who declared "Islam or Death" to the people and yet had to allow full religious liberty to the Hindu soldiers in his emply, right in the city of Ghazni.
The man who is recorded to have repented to his coming to India, upon seeing Vidyadhar Chandela's amy.
The man who looted Somnath and fled back via a different ruote for the fear of encountering native armies, only to be harrassed by Jats.
Tells us how much successfull he was in conversions. If the regions were Islamized, why would Ghaznavaid sultans rule there with the title of 'Shri Samantadeva' later on?
If Hindus weren't culturally vital and resisting to Islam, why would wazir Junaidi advise the same religious restraint to Iltutmish as Hajjaj did to Qasim?
Till 12th century Al-Idrisi testifies to this strength of the natives. Mahmud captured only Punjab and just plundered the rest, let alone converting the people and ruling the places.
After Mahumd was satisfied with his carnages in India, the slave trade in Islamic world had a boom. Of course, when Hindus in India would refuse to convert under sword blades, the likes of Mahmud had them transported to central Asia as slaves; for a pious muslim cannot be treated like a slave in the Islamic world of equality. Only a kafir would do.
Just like the Arabs, Mahmud's hot blooded Jihad turned into an Imperialistic ambition and he relented on his religious bigotry later for tangible gains. One after the other, every invader was that forceful conversions don't work well in India.
Needless to say, islamization took hell lot of a time.

The Ghorid Turks also did not succeed in large scale islamization. Despite of killing thousands, enslaving thousands and breaking numerous temples, they had to employ Hindu cavalry, and entered into compromises with Hindu rulers often.

But what happened in 1206 AD is very important. Turks had got hold of a permanent base in the soft belly of Indo-Gangetic plains. From there on, Islamic rule dominated that region and kept sending shock waves elsewhere.

4) And to make things even more interesting (and funny), even South Indians were invading the North during this time, and plundering North Indian kingdoms. Rajendra Chola in the early 1000s sent his famous expedition into North India which reached the Ganga river.
Yes, opportunity was seized not only because north was broken into many Kingdoms but also because it was fighting battles with Arabs and Turks for quite long now.

Islam has had too much time and full political protection to comfortably make numbers in what we call Pakistan and Afghanistan today. No big achievement when you have kept a struggling sedentary civilization in east and have co-religionalists in west.
As for the ratio in present India, it has already been discussed.

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In my family everyone eats non-veg, also in extended families. As a matter of fact, on my wife's side, they are all very heavy non-veg eaters, also very heavy drinkers. Anyways, as you say, it could be a hill thing. But in my personal experience, I haven't come across many who don't.
Actually check out this source:

Gujarat - كتب Google

Like an encyclopaedia of the people of Gujarat. Sponsored by the ASI. Page 1173 on Rajputs.

'The Rajputs are,by and large, non vegetarians'

Have not read the rest yet. But seems like a comprehensive source of material - although Google have scanned in pages upside down.
 

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Muslims of Kutch loyal to the Rajput rulers

Kutch has a large Muslim population mostly of local origin. Away from the salty Rann is a flat grassland and scrubland, home to Hindu pastoral groups like Rabaris and Ahirs, Muslim pastoral groups like Jaths and Muthwas, and migrants from Sind like Sodha Rajputs and Meghwal Harijans. Muslim Kharvas and others were sailors or fishermen. Kharwa sailors would ply ships of the Hindu merchants called Bhatiyas, while the Kharva Muslim women served in their houses.

The Jadeja Rajput were the rulers and warriors of Kutch. At their head was the Maharao, while the other Rajputs grouped into the Bhayad (brotherhood in Gujarati and Rajasthani). A Britisher observes, "The Bhayats as they are called, are a feudal baronage in Cutch to this day, and can if required put an armed force of some thousands of their retainers into the field. They, and people of Cutch generally, have a strong local patriotism, and are very loyal to their rulers."

The warriors of Kutch defeated the foreign Muslim invaders whether from Sindh or Delhi, and remained independent. Among the most famous of these Rajput rulers was Maharao Khangarji who built the port of Mandvi in 1581. To protect the port from pirates his son Maharao Baharmal built another military outpost called Kutchi Gadh. In 1762 Maharao Godeji defeated an invasion of Kalhoras from Sindh but at a great sacrifice of men and material.

A period of internal turmoil followed but a loyal Muslim, Jamadar Fateh Mohamad who belong to the Notiyar tribe, restored normalcy with the help of the Bhayat of Jadeja Rajputs, who controlled the land, and the notable Hindu Dewan Sunderji. Fateh Mohamad was loyal to the Maharao and was a true INDIAN MUSLIM, who never forgot his roots in the land, gave money for Kutch pilgrims traveling to Kedarnath and donated a silver deepmala to temple of Ashapura Mata, who is the kuldevi of Jadeja Rajputs:


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Actually check out this source:

Gujarat - كتب Google

Like an encyclopaedia of the people of Gujarat. Sponsored by the ASI. Page 1173 on Rajputs.

'The Rajputs are,by and large, non vegetarians'

Have not read the rest yet. But seems like a comprehensive source of material - although Google have scanned in pages upside down.
A word of warning on this earlier link I provided. The book does seem to contain personal opinions and inaccuracies. I would say treat it like Wikipedia, useful and interesting, but don't rely on the material without other verification.
 

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Sir Pertab Singhji, Maharaja of Idar and Regent of Jodhpur. Pratap Singhji was famed for his administrative capabilities as well as his bravery in the Tirah Campaign of 1889 and in China in 1900. Even at the ripe old age of 70, he volunteered for the front in the First World War.

NPG
Sir Pratap Singh was famous in his days as the best pig-sticker in India. And he was trained to fight a wild boar on foot with only a knife in one hand.

Quoted from the book "Animal Kingdoms" By Julie E. Hughes on Google Books.

Another photo of this warrior in his youth from ebay:

 

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I am not debating on Indo-Gangetic plains but on the notion that most of North India was held and islamized by Turks.
Agreed. So is true about Kashmir and Himachal, Malwa, Central India of Chandels etc. What is left is Indo-Ganetic plains accessed via Punjab. That is not called "Most of north India". Furthermore, that is zenith of Turkish terirtory, not what they held from day one to the last day. And the kind of hold they had, has been discussed already.
First, we need to define what is "North India". The following map shows the official GoI zonal classifications:


I would exclude Madhya Pradesh, as I consider that to be more Central India than North, but otherwise the states shown above can be taken to constitute "North India". One might also add West Panjab (Pakistan) and Sindh to the definition since, in terms of history and geography, these regions form a continuum with the rest of 'North India'.

Now, with the exceptions of Kashmir and Uttarakhand (until the mid-14th century), and Rajasthan, the whole region described above was dominated by Turks since the early 13th century. We can squabble over the precise territorial extent of 'North India' and the exact percentage of this territory which was under Turkish dominion, but the important fact is that the the most productive and densely-populated lands in India, i.e. those of the greater Indo-Gangetic plain stretching from Sindh/Panjab to Bihar/Bengal, were under the political domination of foreigners. This domination by foreigners would continue more or less from the 13th to the 18th centuries, as I stated previously (in the western parts of the Indo-Gangetic Plain, the domination lasted even longer than that). And this vast swathe of land does indeed constitute "most of North India". Even if you disagree with the precise territorial definitions, it cannot be denied that this territory held the majority of North India's population and produced the greater part of its revenue. It is population and especially revenue which matters here, and in North India, the greater part of both were subject to foreign rulers during the time period I specified.


Then we should also remember the fact that Mongols had displaced a huge number of Turks who entered north India and disturbed the politico-military balance in favor of the existing Sultanates here.
No. The Mongol invasions, if anything, hurt the 'politico-military balance' of the Turks in India, and served to further destabilize an already turbulent NW frontier. The Mongols cut off Delhi's access to the vital military resources of Central Asia, namely Turkish slave-warriors and horses. The loss of access to these resources forced Delhi to rely increasingly on Afghan and even Indian troops rather than Turks, and local breeds of horses rather than those from Central Asia. As for the people displaced from Central Asia coming to India and helping the Sultanate, this is true mainly for Persian scholars, administrators, artists, saints, etc., all of whom found refuge in Delhi and helped to reinforce the strongly Persianate flavor of the Sultanate. As for the Turkish warriors and elites, their displacement only caused more political confusion and turmoil in NW India. The Turkish ruler of Khwarezm, Jalaluddin Mangbarni, had fled to India in the wake of Genghis Khan's invasion, and captured Uch in the Indus Valley. Mangabarni also extended an offer of alliance to Iltutmish, proposing that they join forces against the Mongols. However, Iltutmish actually repudiated this offer, fearing that it would provoke Genghis to advance against Delhi. It proved to be a wise move, as Genghis had invaded Sindh in pursuit of Mangbarni and massacred his forces, but decided not to continue on to the Delhi doab.

The displacement caused by the Mongols also extended into parts of Afghanistan. The Turkish ruler of Ghazni, Hasan Qarlugh, was ousted by the Mongols, and invaded northern Panjab (the Salt Ranges) shortly after the death of Iltutmish. This resulted in a mutli-pronged struggle for Panjab which involved the Delhi Sultanat, the Mongols, the displaced Turks, and the local Khokhar tribesmen, the ultimate outcome of which being that the Delhi Sultanat's effective frontier was pushed back to the Beas river until the time of Alauddin. Bands of Turkish Khalaj tribesmen, who were likewise dispalced by the Mongols, also invaded lower Sindh and came into conflict with Qubacha (the Turkish noble in charge of this region).

In sum, these displacements and others could hardly be said to have benefited the 'politico-military' balance of the Turks. Rather, they, along with the Mongols themselves, provided additional external threats and destabilizing factors that prevented a concerted Turkish expansion into other parts of India until the early 1300s.


And every instance such a thing happened, people have lost no time in reverting to their ancestral faith and sidelined native rulers/clans have quickly recovered the lost ground
The "recovering of lost ground" by native rulers only occurred in a few places, like in South India where the Sultanate of Madurai was totally uprooted and conquered by Vijayanagar (which itself was founded in course of a rebellion against Turkish rule). Most of the time, however, when centralized Islamic empires collapsed, they were simply replaced by a number of regionalized Islamic states, rather than resurgent Hindu kingdoms. We have seen this happen numerous times on various levels: Delhi Sultanat getting replaced by the regional sultanates of Jaunpur, Bengal, Gujarat, Malwa, and Bahmanis in 14th century, Bahmanis getting replaced by the five Deccan sultanates in late 15th century, Mughals in eastern Indo-Gangetic Plain getting replaced by indepedent nawabs in Bengal and Awadh in 18th century, etc.

In fact, it has struck me that, with few exceptions, that most of the Indo-Gangetic Plain (which constitutes the greater part of North India) has been ruled almost continuously by foreigners from the 13th century all the way to 1947 itself. The British too governed most of the Indo-Gangetic Plain directly rather than through vassal princely states.


Neither the Khaljis and Tughlaqa had pan-Indian sultanates nor they were pan-north Indian.
Yes, they can be called pan-Indian, and they were definitely pan-North Indian.

Gujarat and Malwa were annexed under the Khaljis, and Rajasthan subjugated by Alauddin during his 10-year long campaign. Maharashtra was occupied and Deogir/Daulatabad became the center of Turkish power south of the Vindhyas. Parts of Telangana, Karnataka, and Tamil Nadu were all temporarily brought under the Turkish fold. The nobles in the Indo-Gangetic Plain had been put in line, and the authority of the center was relatively strong throughout North India. Orissa too was invaded and subjugated by Ghiyasuddin Tughluq.

Indeed, for a brief period from c.1310-1340, the political and military influence if not actual rule of the Delhi Sultanat extended from the Himalayan foothills to southern Tamil Nadu. Howeever, many of these newly-conquered territories, especially those south of the Vindhyas, would be rapidly lost from c.1340, either to regional Muslim governors who declared independence, or to rebelling Hindu kings and chieftains who formed new states in the region (of which Vijayanagar was the most important).

If the Delhi Sultanat during this time was not a pan-North Indian state, then the 'Imperial' Guptas were not pan-North Indian either, but ruled only a small regional state based in Magadha.


Many sultanates still complied to Delhi because they were fearful of being torn apart by the native powers had they distance themselves from Delhi.
No, not really.


Allied or alone, they were still holed up in their forts and towns for most of the times. Effective rule and conversions need active continuous presence in country side and permanent garrisons in local small forts.
Turks were active in the countryside of North India, albeit through intermediaries. They couldn't have obtained tax revenues from the peasant masses otherwise. They had to use intermediaries since the government was not bureaucratized enough for a direct collection of taxes throughout the empire. Most Hindu states relied on some sort of intermediaries as well for tax collection.

It was during this time that the word zamindar was first coined, by Amir Khusrow, to describe the many rural intermediaries which worked beneath the Sultans of Delhi.


Arabs, Turks initially and Mughals on and off .. they all tried to convert people. Sword, Tax, Incentives .. everything was tried. Problem is, nothing succeeded that well. It is not because the invaders were gentlemen. It is because our people were resolute.
Except the Indians were not the only ones who lived under centuries of Islamic rule and did not convert. I already mentioned the southern Europeans who were under centuries of Ottoman rule, but were never converted. The Ottomans were also Turks, just like the Ghaznavids and most Sultans of Delhi. They all had their ultimate origins in the same place, i.e. the steppes of Central Asia. The present-day southern Europeans may hate the Turks for ruling over them for centuries, just like modern Hindus (especially of North India) may hate Turks for ruling over them for centuries, but the fact is that most of these Turkish rulers were not intent on converting the non-Muslim masses under their rule. With a few exceptions like Aurangzeb, most were far too pragmatic to attempt such a project. They were perfectly content with the Hindu masses, so long as they remained submissive to Islamic rule and continued to pay taxes. There was never a time, in the history of North India, when an Islamic state was overthrown by the Hindu masses, or even came close to being overthrown.

Moreover, as @nrupatunga has mentioned, Indian converts to Islam were not treated or viewed particularly well by the Turkish elites, so the social advantages that may accompany conversion in other cases did not exist during the Delhi Sultanat's domination of North India. In fact, the likes of Ziauddin Barani explicitly argued that Indian Muslims were inferior to Turkish Muslims, and should not be allowed the same social positions as foreign-born Muslims. The Delhi Sultanat operated on a racially-based quasi-caste system, where the Turkish nobles and elites stood at the top, followed by Afghan warriors and Persian/Tajik scholars and nawisandas (clerks/bureaucrats), and with native Indians (both Hindus and Muslim converts) at the bottom. This was especially true of the 13th century under the likes of Balban; under the Khaljis and Tughlaqs of the 14th century, who recruited more non-Turks into the military and administration, there was a slight broadening of the sociopolitical base of the Sultanat. But throughout the existence of the Delhi Sultanat, no one seriously opposed the superior social and political positions of the Turkish Muslims of foreign descent, compared to Muslims of native Indian descent. As I explained earlier, this has had long-reaching implications because it meant that Indian Islam was associated, at a very fundamental level, with foreigners (and trying to become like those foreigners).

Indeed, the question we should be asking is not why more Indians did not convert to Islam (the numbers that ultimately did convert are still quite large, especially given the circumstances. South Asia has the largest population of Muslims in the whole world), but rather, how could a small minority of Muslim foreigners dominate the predominantly Hindu masses of North India for so long?


We are not concerned about only the major recorded wards here. In a country as fragmented as India, you would have to fight 100 small battles if not ten large ones to dominate huge areas or else forge alliances (only Mughals did it properly).
Again, counting major states is irrelevant in a politically and militarily fractured north India.
Babur rode into India with just a few thousand troops, and had most of the Indo-Gangetic Plain in the palm of his hand after fighting just a few big battles (Panipat, Khanua, Ghagra). What are irrelevant here are the numerous minor rajas and chieftains that you mention. Even Babur mentions them in his accounts, but he does not expend much ink on them because they had hardly any geopolitical significance, except in a very local sense. They certainly did not impede Babur in his drive into India, despite the paltry amount of troops he had with him; Babur's campaigns are recorded with considerable detail and any such reverses would certainly have found mention. Moreover, the sheer fact that Babur was able to fight battles at Panipat/Khanua/Ghagra in short succession, shows that any harassment or obstacles he faced in the form of local chiefs - if he faced any at all - were inconsequential. Most of these minor potentates probably sumbitted to Babur immediately, as it was in their interest to do so (rather than fight a suicidal battle against a far more powerful army).


Besides, we know that Indians had the gall to bounce back with surprises like Hemu.
He was aware of the fact and constantly recruiting Hindu troops while marching towards Delhi.
Again, Hemu rose to prominence by serving the Suri Afghans, not as an independent Hindu ruler fighting against Muslims. If anything, it shows that the Suris were relatively liberal for allowing a Hindu to rise so far in their ranks, and ultimately lead them.

Hemu's army consisted of both Hindu and Muslim troops, as did the army of Sher Shah.


Apart from Lohara dynasty 1003–1320 CE .. there were entities like Chaks, Zulchu etc.
I never claimed that Kashmir was ruled by the Turks during 13th century, so it is not surprising that the Loharas would mint their own coins and continue to build temples. That's what one would expect independent states to do.

What's interesting, however, is the speed with which Kashmir was Islamized once Muslim rule was established (I don't know why you said Kashmir was out of reach of Turks until 1354, because it was being ruled by a Muslim dynasty since 1339). It only took a couple centuries for Islam to become firmly entrenched in Kashmir.

And who/what are "Chaks" and "Zulchu"?


I know just how much power these broken sultanates wielded, because not only they were repeatedly defeated, Nagor was decimated by Kumbha and Sanga's border with Delhi Sultanate was Peelakhal, near Agra, their capital !!!
As mentioned before, the Delhi Sultanate in the 15th and 16th century was just one of several, competing regional states, and was not even the most powerful of these regional states. Even the sultans of Jaunpur advanced up to Delhi and almost captured the Doab.


I'm not debating the influence of 1-2 cases like Alauddin. Yet the fact that Delhi couldn't evaporate co-religionalist rebellious governors/sultanates reveals just how much power they had anyway. Like I said .. regional sultanates most of the times.
It reveals intense factionalism and lack of a centralized politcal order among the Turks in India, not some great resistance by the native Indians.


They were also harassed by mandals of villages who would hold up revenue and conduct raids as soon as the bulk of Turkish army sets out for field wards and campaigns against oganized native armies like Rajputs. It is not out of the blue that every Indian farmers's house had swords/lances against Turks and matchlocks against Mughals. Resistance was right at the grassroots and that is why Turks left the people alone most of the times and that is why we don't see an islamized north India today.
If resistance was right at the grassroots and the Indian peasantry was so militarized, why didn't they overthrow the Turks? Except in the vicinity of Delhi itself, taxes were not collected directly but through rural intermediaries (khots and muqaddams). These intermediaries collected taxes from the peasantry and paid what was due to the local iqtadar/governor, who used this income to support himself and his military establishment. The remainder was sent to the Sultan in Delhi.

And again, whether or not the Hindu masses converted to Islam was largely irrelevant. The difference in religion between rulers and ruled did not cause undue rural unrest, since the rule of the Sultans over the greater part of their Hindu subjects was quite indirect anyway (this reality of indirect rule was true even for the Hindu 'empires' that preceded the Delhi Sultanate). Since the Hindu masses in the history of pre-modern India have seldom caused trouble for the established political elites, whether they be Hindu or Muslim, there was no real reason for the Turkish sultans to expend much effort in grandiose projects like converting all of India to Islam (again, idealists like Aurangzeb being the exception). They were perfectly content with keeping the Hindu masses in a perpetually subservient position and using them as a source for their immense wealth, and this system of rural exploitation to support an opulent nobility (which soon came to include many Hindus as well as Muslims) and grandiloquent royal courts continued right up to modern times. The various foreign nobles which dominated North India from the 13th to the 18th centuries - Turks, Persians, Afghans, Mongols - all grew rich and successful at the expense of the North Indian peasant. One wonders how this was possible, when we are told that 'every Indian farmer's house had matchlocks'.


How could they? Hindu Kings weren't allying with Turks in the first place.
The question was why didn't more Hindu kings and chieftains revolt and establish large, independent kingdoms like Vijayanagar? Following the collapse of the Delhi Sultanat, why did we see Muslim states in Bengal, Bihar-UP, Malwa, Gujarat, and Maharashtra rather than resurgent Hindu realms? Surely, if the Hindus were politically dominant and the hold of Turks so tenuous, the collapse of Delhi would have meant the end of Muslim rule in India.


Arab hold on Sindh was tenous and defensive at best. They were defeated noth in Kangra by Lalitaditya Muktipada, defeated east by Gurjara-Pratiharas Nagabhatta) and defeated south by Chalukyas (Pulakesin).
Yet none of them uprooted the Arabs from Sindh itself. In fact, Sindh was under near-continuous Muslim rule for the past 1300 years, and remains so even today.


As for the islamization, it certainly didn't succeed during Arab rule.
As late as 9th century, Arab geographers were complaining "Islam has not made a single convert in India."
The Islamization was well underway, though there were still large non-Muslim populations of course.

We know for sure that least the political elites and some powerful tribal/caste leaders converted, because by the 11th century Arab rule had ended and was replaced by indigenous Sindi Muslims. The Sumrah dynasty of Sind, which existed with various degrees of independence until 1351, was the first native Muslim dynasty to rule any part of India. Needless to say, the rise of indigenous Muslim dynasties presupposes a degree of conversion under Arab rule. We also know that conversions took place due to the proliferation of people who adopted Arabic names and carried the surname "al-Sindi". This certainly disproves as hyperbole any statement that "not a single convert was made".


Their hold wasn't even entire Sindh wide. Arabs controlled only two principalities - Multan and Mansurah.
The Arab province of "Sind" included far more than the contemporary region of Sindh. It also included large parts of modern Balochistan and Panjab (Multan for example is in Panjab, not Sindh). As for the actual governance of this province, until the 10th century the Arabs governed most of the countryside indirectly through brahman intermediaries. This was similar to how Indian kingdoms also governed the countryside. It should also be mentioned that, of the places and peoples in Sind mentioned by Arab sources to be under their rule, over three-fifths were acquired by treaty (sulh) rather than force (anwatan). Acquisition by treaty meant that the new subjects would be under the protection (aman) of the new Arab government.


Funny that after three centuries of constant efforts (backed by a strong Imperial empire), all that the Arabs had was Multan and Mansurah; that too by hiding behind the same idols they came to break.
The Arabs were only backed by a "strong imperial empire" from 711-854, at most. From the mid-9th century, Sind came under the rule of an independent Arab dynasty (Habbaris). At the same time, independent Muslim dynasties appeared in Khorasan (Tahirids), Sistan (Saffarids), and Transoxiana (Samanids). In subsequent years, the Caliphate would lose whatever remained of its effective political authority, and the caliph became a mere puppet controlled by Shi'a Iranian rulers (Buyids).


Relentless resistance forced Hajjaj to send orders to Muhammad Bin Qasim :
"Permission is given to them to worship their Gods. Nobody must be forbidden or prevented from following his own religion .... once you have conquered the country and strengthened the forts, endeavour to console the subjects and soothe the residents."
People were allowed to re-build their temples and perform their worship, priests kept their allowance and native institutions were left as is, under the care of Dahir's Prime Minister.
What is your source for this statement, and where is it from?

In fact, al-Hajjaj scolded Muhammad bin Qasim for being too lenient, and accepting subjugation by treaty rather than subjugating by force.


Overran? Took them half a century to get rid of Shahis, who were worn out by constantly fighting with Arabs and Karkotas on two fronts for more than two centuries and didn't have well developed clan hierarchies to sustain losses, reversald in the long term.
The Ghaznavids and Ghorids were also fighting on multiple fronts and faced much more serious and competent enemies, namely the Turks from Central Asia. The ultimate defeat of both the Ghaznavids and the Ghorids came from the West and not the East. The same is also true of the Delhi Sultanate (at the hands of Timurids/Mughals), and arguably even of the Mughals themselves (at the hands of Persians and Afghans).


Islam has had too much time and full political protection to comfortably make numbers in what we call Pakistan and Afghanistan today. No big achievement when you have kept a struggling sedentary civilization in east and have co-religionalists in west.
First we are told that the Hindus were constantly and continuously resisting the Muslims, and that 'every Indian farmer had a matchlock', and now India was a 'struggling agrarian civilization'? Anyway, it should be mentioned that the biggest success of Islam in the Subcontinent (in terms of conversions), was not in the West but the East. The conversion of East Bengal was the single largest conversion in Islamic history.

The people in the West were co-religionists but that was irrelevant, as it did not prevent wars between different Muslim powers. As mentioned before, it was precisely the powers in the West which posed the greatest threat to Muslim states based in North/Northwest India, as well as the non-Muslims of Central Asia like the Mongols.

As Isami asks rhetorically, "why should the army that defeats the Mongol be afraid of fighting the Hindu?" (Futuh al-Salatin, pg.284).
 
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