Warriors of Gujarat

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Gujarat more audience of war than participant? State has high nationalistic fervour, but ranks low on army recruitment.

The recruitment of Gujaratis in the army is significantly low. Between 2015 and 2018, Gujarat, including Dadra and Nagar Haveli, Daman and Diu, sent just 3,199 men to the army.


The memory of India’s air strike on the militant camps in Balakot, Pakistan, will stir the emotions of Gujaratis as they queue up to cast their votes on 23 April. In their ears will echo the boast of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who said in Jamnagar early March, “Humara siddhant hai, hum ghuske marenge [It is our principle to enter (the enemy's) home and attack.]” It will likely inspire them to back Modi – he is, after all, Gujarat’s son, who dared Pakistan as no other Indian prime minister did previously. Expect Gujaratis to ride the tide of nationalistic fervour to the polling booth, not least because nationalism satisfies the state’s famed mercantile instinct for a homogeneously unified market.

Yet, Gujarat’s nationalistic passion has been ridiculed as pseudo. This is largely because Gujaratis constitute a minuscule percentage of the Indian Army. For instance, in May 2017, Samajwadi Party leader Akhilesh Yadav taunted, “Jawans from Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, south India and other parts of the country have sacrificed their lives, but tell me whether anyone has been martyred from Gujarat.”

Yadav was roasted on social media for depicting the nationalism of Gujaratis as one of convenience, and for arguing that the community does not have to pay a price for war-mongering. But this has not deterred him from voicing his disdain for the jingoism of Gujaratis. The SP’s manifesto for the 2019 Lok Sabha election, under the chapter, 'National Security, Not Pseudo-Nationalism', states, “We propose to raise an Ahir Armoured Regiment and a Gujarat Infantry Regiment.”

The manifesto is decidedly a dig at the Gujaratis. The Ahirs or the Yadav caste, to which Akhilesh belongs, has been traditionally recruited in the Indian Army in large numbers. Steven I Wilkinson in his book, Army and Nation: The Military and Indian Democracy since Independence, provides the figures of principal ethnic groups represented in the Indian Infantry. In December 1947, the Ahirs constituted 2.8 percent of the infantry troops. In asking for an exclusive Ahir armoured regiment, Yadav is displaying the readiness of his caste to opt for the rough and dangerous life of the Army.

Wilkinson’s magisterial book does not provide figures for any caste from Gujarat, which was then a part of the Bombay Presidency. However, in 2018, Devji Patel and AT Nana Patil, both Bharatiya Janata Party MPs, had asked a question in Parliament – unstarred question no. 302 – seeking information on state-wise recruitment for the Indian Army.

The Ministry of Defence, on 12 December, 2018, provided the count of personnel recruited from different states between 2015 and 2018. These figures were arranged under the columns of JCO/Other Ranks. It excluded officers as state-wise data pertaining to them is not maintained. The JCO stands for Junior Commissioned Officers and includes Naib Subedar, Subedar, and Subedar Major. Other ranks comprise Sepoy, Lance Naik, Nail and Havaldar.

The recruitment of Gujaratis in the army is significantly low. Between 2015 and 2018, Gujarat, including Dadra and Nagar Haveli, Daman and Diu, sent just 3,199 men to the army. By comparison, Uttar Pradesh accounted for 22,712 recruits, Uttarakhand 10,134, and Punjab 14,657. Gujarat, however, was way ahead of, say, Meghalaya, which, in the same period, sent 302 men to the army, and Tripura, which accounted for 1,370 recruits.

The differences in army recruitment between states are linked to their populations. For instance, it can be said that Uttar Pradesh sends nearly seven times more men to the army than Gujarat because the former has a population three times larger than the latter. Likewise, Gujarat is nearly 20 times more populated than Meghalaya.

In order to iron out the huge population differential existing among states, the two writers used the figures provided by the Ministry of Defence in 2018 to calculate the number of army recruits for every one lakh people of each state. The table (see Table I) shows Gujarat taking the 28th slot, or last but one. Between 2015 and 2018, Gujarat sent roughly 5 men for every lakh of Gujaratis. By comparison, the army recruited 11 men for every lakh of people in Uttar Pradesh, a whopping 100 men for every lakh in Uttarakhand, and 51 men for every lakh in Punjab. Himachal Pradesh topped the table with 111 men for every lakh.

Table I: Junior Commissioned Officers Recruitment in proportion to Population
Sl. No.State/UTRecruitment

2015 to 2018
Population (in Crores)Recruitment per 1 LakhPopulation

(2015 to 2018)
1Himachal Pradesh76220.69111.03
2Uttarakhand101341.01100.47
3Punjab including Chandigarh146572.8850.89
4Jammu & Kashmir62751.2550.03
5Sikkim3030.0649.63
6Haryana115122.5445.41
7Arunachal Pradesh6270.1445.31
8Mizoram4310.1139.28
9Tripura*13700.3737.29
10Manipur10060.2935.23
11Rajasthan143406.8520.92
12Nagaland3430.2017.34
13Kerala52873.3415.83
14Maharashtra1392211.2412.39
15Uttar Pradesh2271219.9811.37
16Madhya Pradesh80467.2611.08
17Delhi17701.6810.54
18Meghalaya3020.3010.18
19Assam29563.129.47
20West Bengal83759.139.18
21Bihar952310.419.15
22Chhattisgarh22752.558.91
23Tamil Nadu, A&N Islands, Puducherry63837.388.65
24Andhra Pradesh including Telangana64088.467.58
25Jharkhand24913.307.55
26Karnataka including Lakshadweep42716.126.98
27Odisha29124.206.94
28Gujarat including Dadra & Nagar Haveli, Daman & Diu31996.105.24
29Goa670.154.59
The above date shows the recruitment of JCOs/Other Ranks

State-wise data relating to recruitment of officers is not maintained.
*Tripura's GSDP values of 2015-2016 are taken
The population of Dadra & Nagar Haveli and Daman & Diu is 5.86 lakhs


There is, obviously, a historical reason why certain states, despite their small size, have a high representation in the army. In the colonial era, the British designated certain social groups as martial races. Wilkinson, who is a professor at Yale University, wrote: “The system goes back to the nineteenth century, when the British designated certain groups, such as Sikhs and Gorkhas, as ‘martial classes’ (often termed ‘martial races’) and recruited them disproportionately on the basis of their presumed martial abilities and traditions as well as their proven loyalty.”

The revolt of 1857 further reinforced this tendency – the British reduced recruitment from Oudh, Bihar and the Central Provinces, from where the bulk of the military mutineers had come. They, instead, turned to the North West Frontier Provinces and Punjab for recruitment. By the 1890s, the ethnic composition of the British Indian Army had fallen into a consistent pattern – and was to remain so until India’s Independence. In the main, it consisted of, as Wilkinson writes, “a heavily Punjabi and Pashtun force from Punjab and the NWFP, with significant numbers of ‘martial class’ Gorkhas, Rajputs, Dogras, Garhwalis, Jats, and Marathas, and very little representation of anyone else.”

Indeed, if Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand continue to send a relatively higher number of men to the army, it is because the Rajputs dominate their population.
They account for nearly 33 percent of Himachal Pradesh’s population and 35 percent of Uttarakhand’s. Columnist Aakar Patel cites the British’s propensity to recruit from martial races as one of the reasons to explain Gujarat’s lack of zeal to enter the army. “There are some ‘martial’ communities in Gujarat, and these are the ones that join the army. Among them are the durbar (Rajput) communities, with names like Jadeja and Solanki.”

In recent years, though, the Gujaratis have been found physically unfit for the army. From 2014, the state government initiated a campaign, “Know your Army”, to boost the recruitment, which led to a spurt. However, the numbers declined rapidly. A January 2018 report said that even those Gujaratis who were enthusiastic to join the army could not complete the 1.6-kilometre run in the qualifying time of 5.45 minutes.

But Gujarat’s pathetic representation in the army is also said to be a function of its prosperity. As Wilkinson writes in Army and Nation, “The recruiting melas in Gujarat, which has a booming economy but no strong military tradition, do not yield as many recruits as those in poverty-stricken Chhattisgarh and Bihar or in the traditional recruiting areas in Punjab and Haryana.”

To test Wilkinson’s proposition, we calculated the number of men that each state sends to the army per Rs 1,000 crore of Gross State Domestic Product. The table (See Table II) gets dramatically reconfigured.

Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand retain the top two slots, but Jammu and Kashmir replaces Punjab for the third slot, from where the latter slips to number 5. Quite incredibly, Gujarat remains 28th in this table as well, confirming Wilkinson’s theory that richer states are less likely to see high military recruitment.

We, obviously, don’t have tools to measure a state’s passion for nationalism. But Gujarat’s nationalistic fervour, certainly, outstrips its representation in the army. They are more an audience of war than participants, making it convenient for Gujarat to vote for nationalism.

Table II: Junior Commissioned Officers Recruitment in proportion to GSDP
Sl. No.State/UTRecruitment

(2015 to 2018)
GSDP

(2016-17 (Constant Prices) (Base Year 2011-2012) In Crores))
Recruitment per Rs 1000 crore GSDP 2016-17 (Constant Prices)

(2015 to 2018)
1Himachal Pradesh7622102976.9774.02
2Uttarakhand10134161864.9962.61
3Jammu & Kashmir6275102205.8861.4
4Manipur100616988.9459.21
5Tripura*137027820.349.24
6Arunachal Pradesh62714993.9741.82
7Punjab including Chandigarh14657379051.8938.67
8Mizoram43113789.131.26
9Bihar9523324777.8929.32
10Haryana11512434607.9326.49
11Rajasthan14340599029.4423.94
12Uttar Pradesh22712974119.9623.32
13Nagaland34315511.2522.11
14Sikkim30315339.2819.75
15Madhya Pradesh8046469392.6817.14
16Assam2956200790.0114.72
17Meghalaya30222051.2113.7
18Jharkhand2491194474.612.81
19West Bengal8375657882.9512.73
20Kerala5287481839.3310.97
21Chhattisgarh2275213648.9810.65
22Odisha2912323217.739.01
23Maharashtra139221826295.87.62
24Tamil Nadu, A&N Islands, Puducherry63831035286.156.17
25Andhra Pradesh including Telangana64081057586.286.06
26Karnataka including Lakshadweep4271895080.264.77
27Delhi1770514870.793.44
28Gujarat including Dadra & Nagar Haveli, Daman & Diu3199984453.133.25
29Goa6751846.641.29
The above date shows the recruitment of JCOs/Other Ranks

State-wise data relating to recruitment of officers is not maintained.
*Tripura's GSDP values of 2015-2016 are taken
The population of Dadra & Nagar Haveli and Daman & Diu is 5.86 lakhs

Not baiting or being racist or anything but serious question though why the number for requirements so low. I see most who join are from Rajput community, even in this thread if one see most of the Gujarati warriors come from this community. but for others what's going on , is prosperity the Only cause .I also read 60% of youth use tobacco which fcks up everything.
I don't mind Gujaratis not joining the Army as long as they keep churning out entrepreneurs like the Ambanis, Tatas and Premjis.

On a sidenote, Pakistan lacks in entreprenurial spirit because they didn't have communities who had a big propensity for business. They had the Hindus who were big businessmen and were more than 50% of the population in many of their cities but they were thrown out by the Muslims.
 

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I don't mind Gujaratis not joining the Army as long as they keep churning out entrepreneurs like the Ambanis, Tatas and Premjis.

On a sidenote, Pakistan lacks in entreprenurial spirit because they didn't have communities who had a big propensity for business. They had the Hindus who were big businessmen and were more than 50% of the population in many of their cities but they were thrown out by the Muslims.
Yes i knew most Gujarati are into business. It's mentioned in the article that prosperity is the main reason. How bad is tobacco problem. I read it's pretty bad among youth.
 

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In my opinion the greatest Gujarati warrior was the one who never took any arm. He was none other than sardar Patel.
 

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Tobaco isnt any bigger an issue than it anywhere else such as U.P or other parts of India. Though they chew it in a different way. Thats it. Arecanut or crushed Supari is the most common muncher. The reason for low army recruitment may be many. One is the entrepreneural spirit. Most Gujju guys dont go for high studies, and start working with basic schooling or grads. Secondly, common Gujjus who do jobs usually are not content with single income source. Most have side incomes in way of farming in native places or stock broking or any other form of secondary income source which supplements their jobs. Thirdly i find them very close to their extended families, native places, elders which makes it difficult to move to other places/ states with different culture, language and away from family. Since armed forces curtail all these conditions Gujjus feel less incentive to join forces.
 

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Punjab, J&K has bore the brunt of invasions from ancient times. Alexander, Greeks, Huns, Kushans & then of course Turks.
And due to that,majority of the Rajput population is now muslim in the Pakistani punjab and only a small hindu part lives in punjab and Harayana despite majority of the cities are named after Rajput kings...
 

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1. The Marathas did not "supplant Muslim power in North". They did nothing of this sort. It were various Rajput rulers in Rajputana, Bundelkhand, Garhwal and the Jaats of Haryana who would do this. Peshwas even allied with the Mughal subedars at one point to launch raids into Rajasthan.
2. Mewar also flourished while Vijayanagar did, and its achievements are certainly much more than that of Vijaynagar. Mewar was surrounded by 4 great sultanates. Gujarat and Malwa are no less than the Bahmanids. This is evident from the Gujarat Sultanate could easily annex Thane in Maharstra or Mahmud Khalji II of Malwa could nearly threaten the very existence of the Bahmanids. The same armies of these Sultanates were being defeated on a routinely basis by Mewar, who fought with 4 different enemies at one point (Nagaur, Marwar, Gujarat, and Malwa). Under Sanga, Mewar would successfully end muslim rule in Malwa following the Battle of Gagron, annexing Chanderi. He would go on to rout numerically superior armies in Dholpur and Khatoli. Vijayangar, on the other hand, failed to kick muslim rule out of Upper Deccan but instead got destroyed by them.
3. Agreed that the north did not save muslim invasions from the south.
Vijaynagar was formed also by the Kshatriya,he claimed the descend from the andhaka clan of the Mahabharata age Yaduvansh,while in the north Jadeja,Chudasama,jadon,and bhati are the Vrishni progenies from the lord krishna's grandson.....
 

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Between BrahmaGupta and Nisithachurni - Chinese traveler Hiuen Tsang visited Bhinmal in 641 A. D. and said "The king is of the Kshatriya caste. He is just twenty years old, He is distinguished for wisdom and he is courageous. He is a deep believer in the law of Buddha and highly honours men of distinguished ability." He named this kingdom ku-che-lo (i.e. Gurjara), with its capital at pi-lo-mo (i.e. Bhinmal).

Per the chronology shown in Jodhpur inscription vis a vis Gwalior inscription (both 10th century A.D.), few facts are known about Pratiharas:
1. That Mandor line of Pratiharas was genealogically senior to all other lines (Gwalior etc).
2. Pratiharas' progenitor was named Harichandra and was called a brahmin. Harichandra conquered Mandor fort in 6th century. He married two women, one brahmin, other kshatriya.
3. Brahmin wife's progeny were Pratihara brahmins. The Kshatriya wife named Bhadra was made the queen. Her sons became 'drinkers of wine' and this section later became Pratihara Kings i.e. Pratihara rajputs.

My opinion is that Pratiharas may have started expansion from Mandor and later displaced Chapavamsis from core Gurjaratra (Jalor, Bhinmal, and Mt. Abu) somewhere in the 7th century as later in 8th century we have Pratiharas roaming (everywhere around core Gurjaratra) between Mandor, Gwalior, Navasari and, Kannauj

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Falsely translated at best....Their are no pratihar brahmins in real,jodhpur inscription and gwaliar inscription states that pratihar are the descendents of the Suryavanshi lineage,from the first son of Lakshamana "Angad",main lineage of pratihar still lives in the modern day awadh and are called kalhans thakur....
 

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And due to that,majority of the Rajput population is now muslim in the Pakistani punjab and only a small hindu part lives in punjab and Harayana despite majority of the cities are named after Rajput kings...
Sikhism in Punjab in early days was like another wing of Hindus. Most Hindu elder sons in family were recruited in Khalsa army.
The Paki Punjab definately has Muslim Rajputs, Gujjar & Jatt community in great numbers.. Migration too has happened during partition.
Sikh empire Integrated Hindu Dogra community of Jammu & Himachal regions as well in their army.
There is still Muslim Dogra community in areas like Sialkot. Religious differences were bound to happen after partition.
 

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Sikhism in Punjab in early days was like another wing of Hindus. Most Hindu elder sons in family were recruited in Khalsa army.
The Paki Punjab definately has Muslim Rajputs, Gujjar & Jatt community in great numbers.. Migration too has happened during partition.
Sikh empire Integrated Hindu Dogra community of Jammu & Himachal regions as well in their army.
There is still Muslim Dogra community in areas like Sialkot. Religious differences were bound to happen after partition.
Khalsa army was formed way way after the Sikhism was born,moreover they were also trained by the Rajput warriors, islamisation of punjab happened way before the existence of the Sikh population(majorly during the sultanate rule of Khiljis and tuglaqs)....the homeland for Dogras was Jammu,which was exploited rather than United under the Sikh regime...Sikhs were also involved in the power struggle against the other local rulers such as against the king of Jammu and the Puru dynasty of the Himachal....
 

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Yes i knew most Gujarati are into business. It's mentioned in the article that prosperity is the main reason. How bad is tobacco problem. I read it's pretty bad among youth.
It seems like they are taking the required efforts.


But the results haven't been very positive

 

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