Turkey shot down Russian Su 24

[spikey360]

Turkey will become turkey this Thanksgiving. Death to those who dare strike Russia!

 

[BATTLE FIELD]

yeah.. this terrorist turks should be punished
bring the s-400 and blow some falcons out of the sky.

 

[SajeevJino]

yeah.. this terrorist turks should be punished
bring the s-400 and blow some falcons out of the sky.

only in wet dreams ...Good night

 

[spikey360]

Haha, yeah, this guy posting above is right, Wet Dreams, where zionist pants are yellowed, in other words, horrible nightmares.

 

[pmaitra]

So, Sultan Erdogan shot down a Russian jet which fell inside Syria in the hope Russia will back off. What does Russia do? Russia simply steps up its campaign against Turkey backed terrorists.

 

[pmaitra]

To add to the report above:

Turkish trucks entering Syria bombed in Russian Air Raid at border crossing.



Azaz City is at the border of Turkey and Syria.

Circle: Azaz City, apparently the entry point of Turkish weapons and terrorists into Syria.
Star: Where the Russian Sukhoi-24 was shot down by Turkey.

Spoiler: GRAPHIC: Aftermath of Russian air-strikes on Turkish convoy at border town

It looks like Russia will flatten every town that opposes it.

 

[pmaitra]

Deutsche-Welle:

Moscow and Ankara face historic crisis

This incident will not result in Russia taking any steps back on its operations in Syria, he said. “Western allies are telling Turkey, ‘yes, you have the right to protect your border, but let’s not blow this out of proportion’. This is the situation, a new front opens up in the Syrian crisis and Russia and Turkey are forced to confront it. This signifies that a tense period is on the way,” Erkmen said.

According to Erkmen, Turkey’s downing of the Russian plane represents a “moral victory” for the Syrian opposition. However, Russia will continue with its operations in the Turkmen region and will take Aleppo from rebel hands. “It will be difficult to stop Russia at this point. Turkey-Russia relations will undergo a crisis. The development of this crisis will be determined via announcements coming from the West,” Erkmen said.

 

[pmaitra]

Turkey has spent years allowing jihadist groups to flourish - so beware its real reasons for shooting down a Russian plane
Turkey has no interest in the peaceful settlement to the conflict in Syria that world powers are negotiating. As Erdogan gets desperate, he will attempt to bring focus back to Assad

Turkey is getting desperate. Under President Recep Tayip Erdogan and his party, the Justice and Development Party (AKP), its policies toward the conflict in Syria over the past four years have been misguided and costly. When conflict broke out in 2011, Ankara mistakenly under-estimated the strength of the Assad regime and supported hardline Islamist groups seeking its downfall. In the process, Turkey also marginalised the Kurds and alienated regional powers like Iran.

Four years on, Assad looks set to hold onto power and his regime will be a central part of a transition plan, one that foreign powers were negotiating last weekend. Turkey’s regional rival, Iran, is a key player which can no longer be ignored by the West. Not only does the pro-Assad alliance now have Russian support firmly on its side, but the international community is no longer focused on defeating the regime – instead, it is concerned with defeating jihadist groups like Isis.

The shift in focus is a significant drawback for Erdogan. Years of support for, and investment in, Islamic fundamentalist groups like Jabhat al-Nusra (Al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria) and Ahrar al-Sham are about to go to waste. Ankara has played a significant role in allowing Isis and other jihadists to flourish in Syria and the region. Turkey has acquiesced to jihadist groups entering Syria via Turkey as well as their use of Turkey as a transit point for smuggling arms and funds into Syria.

The Kurds in Syria, meanwhile, have established themselves as a reliable Western ally and have created, in the process, an autonomous Kurdish region that has reinvigorated Kurdish nationalism in Turkey and across the region - much to Turkey’s dismay as it continues a brutal military campaign to repress the Kurds.

In other words, Turkey has no interest in the peaceful settlement to the conflict in Syria that world powers are negotiating. As it gets desperate, Turkey will attempt to bring focus back on the Assad regime and reverse the losses it has made both in Syria and geopolitically. The decision to bring down the Russian jet is, therefore, likely to have had other political factors behind it - particularly since the jet, as far as we know, posed no immediate threat to Turkey’s national security.

Domestically, Erdogan thrives on a climate of fear and uncertainty. This worked for him in the country’s snap elections earlier this month, during which he regained the majority he lost in June after months of bombings, violence and divisive rhetoric.

Ankara’s downing of the Russian jet may provide a useful diversion as it seeks to intensify its military campaign against the Kurds, particularly in the Kurdish-dominated Mardin province, where MPs were assaulted in recent days. Two days ago, Selahattin Demirtas, head of the pro-Kurdish People’s Democratic Party (HDP) who shot to international acclaim in the country’s national elections, survived an assassination attempt in Kurdish-dominated Diyarbakir.

These tactics will not be without long-term costs and will undermine the chances of peace in Syria as well as the West’s effort to defeat Isis.

The West appeased and bolstered Erdogan in Turkey in the run-up to the country’s elections, with the aim of securing a deal with Ankara on the refugee crisis. It may now regret that. Erdogan is not only likely to drive a hard bargain but he may also walk away.

He has never cared much for the EU and has only sought engagement with the West when under pressure at home. But Turkey is not an indispensable ally and should not be considered as such. Unless the West starts to seriously exert pressure, Erdogan will have little incentive to stop his damaging policies.

 

[Rowdy]

How to have Fun :

a)Fortify the air defence with S400 along Syria- Turkey border.

b) Blow to bits the ethnic Turks fighting under the Jabbhat-al-Nusrah(aka Al-Quaida) and wipe them off the history of the region.

c) Eat popcorn as that Chootiya Erdogan watch with helplessness.

 

[pmaitra]

@Rowdy,

After the plane was shot down, Russia has actually started pounding the Jabal-Turkoman mountains.

Then, there was the air-strike in Azaz.

At this point, Russia can also bomb few kilometers inside Turkey, and I doubt Turkey will do anything, because if they do, their planes are sure to get shot down.

 

[pmaitra]

Russian pilot Konstantin Murakhtin.

“I could see perfectly by the map and by our surroundings where we were and where the border was,” Captain Konstantin Murakhtin told Russian media. He said that he knew the territory “like the back of his hand” and that there was no warning from the Turks: “Not by radio, nor visually.”

The area around Yamadi camp is controlled by moderate Free Syrian Army brigades, some of whom are ethnic Turkmen groups with close ties to Turkey. They said that they faced “fierce and vengeful” Russian air attacks yesterday (Wednesday). “They hit two of our headquarters,” Mohammad Haj Ali, commander of the 1st Coastal Division of the Free Syrian Army, said.

Source: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...623546528?sv=9efb6b9397543b3d84d2e5c81a57d999
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So, it appears Turkey is defending the FSA who are being targeted by Russian and Syrian Air Forces.

Turkey has been pushing terrorists into Syria for the past four years violating the international border, but wants to defend its airspace.

 

[pmaitra]

“Turkey has been playing a fairly duplicitous game”, tolerating the IS group as it fights the Kurds, according to Chatham House associate fellow Sanam Vakil.

Furthermore, Turkey has kept an open border with Syria between the Syrian towns of Azaz and Jarabulus, which are not under Kurdish control, ostensibly to allow the flow of migrants out of the Syria but also allowing the IS group free passage in and out of the country.

“This is how the Paris attackers were able to leave Syria and get back into Europe,” said Fabrice Balanche, a researcher at the Washington Institute and a Syria expert. “Keeping this border zone open has allowed the IS group to recruit recruits coming in, and to send others out for operations outside of their geographical zone of influence.”

Source: http://www.france24.com/en/20151120-battle-against-group-mired-conflicting-national-interests
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France 24 article claims that Azaz is an exit-entry point for ISIS. Russian Air force struck Azaz today. It will be difficult for Turkey and the US to claim the Russia is not targeting ISIS.

 

[pmaitra]

Mr. Lavrov suggested that the United States might have had a role in the attack, wondering if Washington had signed off on Turkey’s firing an American-made missile. In addition, the accord that the United States negotiated with Russia on preventing accidental air force clashes over Syria was meant to cover allies like Turkey, he said, and he accused Ankara of not activating emergency communications.

It was clear that NATO members were critical of Turkey behind closed doors, Mr. Lavrov said, yet there was no remorse.

In Washington, the State Department said that Secretary of State John Kerry had spoken with Mr. Lavrov by telephone, urging calm and more dialogue between Russia and Turkey.

The American advice appeared to have been ignored, as sources on the ground said Russian airplanes had attacked a border town that Turkey has suggested is the heart of a buffer zone.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/world/europe/turkey-russia-jet.html
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So, Turkey suggested a buffer zone inside Syrian territory? Incredibly audacious of Turkey. Well, Russia just bombed the border town. So much for a buffer zone.

 

[Sridhar]

Following government warning, all tourist agencies in Russia suspend the sale of trips to Turkey

https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/11/2...in-russia-suspend-the-sale-of-trips-to-turkey

 

[pmaitra]

UPDATE: Envoys Urge Turkish Restraint with Russia at Emergency NATO Meeting

The ambassadors from the controversial EU-U.S. military body apparently called on Ankara to show "cool-headedness" after an emergency meeting in Brussels.

Diplomats present at the meeting told Reuters that many envoys expressed concern that Turkey did not escort the Russian warplane out of its airspace.

"There are other ways of dealing with these kinds of incidents," said one diplomat who declined to be named.

 

[Razor]

Will this be the end of erdogan(politically)???

 

[Razor]

@pmaitra
Looks like Russia is trying get a reaction from turkey by bombing vital areas (for turkey) areas like azaz.
That's why western "diplomats" are asking for cool-headedness from turkis.
If turkey makes a move, this time they'll will be turkey.

 

[Razor]

@pmaitra: Also apparently the commader of the turkmen brigade which attacked/shot at the parachuting pilots (in contravention of the Geneva Convention) is Alparslan Çelik. This guy is a Turkish citizen and he is a Grey Wolves member. Grey wolves is an ultra-nationalist, neo-fascist organization in turkey known for criminal activities and murdering minorities. They ve paramilitary wings too. For a front, they say they are a sports club. lol

 

[pmaitra]

@Razor, that is what I said earlier. This shooting down means a few things:

• Turkey can no longer claim it was attacked first, thus weakening its claim to NATO Article 5.
• Russia can now establish a no-fly zone over Turkish territory within S-400 range.
• Turkey tried to deter Russia from bombing the Turkmen. Russia responded by increasing its bombing.
• NATO is divided.

 

[Razor]

@Razor, that is what I said earlier. This shooting down means a few things:

• Turkey can no longer claim it was attacked first, thus weakening its claim to NATO Article 5.
• Russia can now establish a no-fly zone over Turkish territory within S-400 range.
• Turkey tried to deter Russia from bombing the Turkmen. Russia responded by increasing its bombing.
• NATO is divided.

What i think is, NATO was always divided.
I mean, the greeks and other balkans hate turkey and vice versa. And in general europeans don't like each other.
Only reason it appears united is because everyone is actually scared of uncle sam more the Russia.