Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

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Trying to read and catch up in this thread but it is this thread that jumps out at me. People are saying this is a victory for Pakistan while they were also saying up until now that they will use the Americans as leverage against us so that no punitive action would be taken against them. Without even going into the nitty gritty of 'good' and 'bad' Taliban ie TTP how is this still being spun as a victory for them? Other than chest beating about roohani taakat i don't really see it tbh.
Actually, Pakistan has gained serious ground there.
1) A whole new country to train and export terrorists with a lot of success stories.
2) Goes unscathed from financial or military punitive actions by the West
3) Act as a pimp for the power politics ensuing between different tribes in Afghanistan, and between China/Russia and the so-called sellout 'elders' of the Talib
4) US military presence off its chest, so terrorist activities against India can be done with greater ease, Baloch liberation will be dealt with an iron hand, PTM leaders dying in random car blasts
5) More equity in the Muslim world as a reliable supplier of battle-hardened terrorists for conflicts throughout the world.
 

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Yup. I imagine that the confidence in America of NATO members is severely shaken. Might come back. Might not.
Nothing is going to happen, all is well in NATO. there is no way all this was not discussed among NATO partners well in advance. UK forces vacated baghram in 2019 itself(i think),they even made a documentary about it, and as of last month no UK troops were on ground. it was a drawdown in the works atleast since 2019.

except for the last minute hickup of taliban reaching kabul too early, almost everything went as per plan.
 
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Actually, Pakistan has gained serious ground there.
1) A whole new country to train and export terrorists with a lot of success stories.
2) Goes unscathed from financial or military punitive actions by the West
3) Act as a pimp for the power politics ensuing between different tribes in Afghanistan, and between China/Russia and the so-called sellout 'elders' of the Talib
4) US military presence off its chest, so terrorist activities against India can be done with greater ease, Baloch liberation will be dealt with an iron hand, PTM leaders dying in random car blasts
5) More equity in the Muslim world as a reliable supplier of battle-hardened terrorists for conflicts throughout the world.
They were doing all this with impunity even with the US in their backyard, the net difference in the situation is negligible if at all imo.
 

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Yup. I imagine that the confidence in America of NATO members is severely shaken. Might come back. Might not.
Germany has the industry and technology.. It better start spending serious money on defence, rather than acting as if Europe is in some post war utopia...
 

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Actually, Pakistan has gained serious ground there.
1) A whole new country to train and export terrorists with a lot of success stories.
2) Goes unscathed from financial or military punitive actions by the West
3) Act as a pimp for the power politics ensuing between different tribes in Afghanistan, and between China/Russia and the so-called sellout 'elders' of the Talib
4) US military presence off its chest, so terrorist activities against India can be done with greater ease, Baloch liberation will be dealt with an iron hand, PTM leaders dying in random car blasts
5) More equity in the Muslim world as a reliable supplier of battle-hardened terrorists for conflicts throughout the world.
too many cooks spoil the broth.in afghanistan , there are more than too many cooks.mid term and long term, pakistan does not have diplomatic maturity to handle afghanistan.
 

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They were doing all this with impunity even with the US in their backyard, the net difference in the situation is negligible if at all imo.
The problem imo is that we cant ally with us against china anymore. American ppl wont allow it. Thats why withdrawal was so final despite the disaster. Russkies will stay neutral as well.
 

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What were the objectives of US and its allies under GWOT?

What did they set out to achieve and what did they eventually achieve?

Handing Afghanistan on a platter to Taliban sounds like a tactically brilliant move.
Originally it was to wipe out Al Quaeda in Afg if I remember correctly. It achieved that reasonably well. I don't know how that then turned into a programme to build a working democracy.

The exit from Afg will be remembered for a very long time even if things get no worse than they have turned out so far. Disastrous mismanagement by US political leadership. And, as you say, the Taliban were given all the cards and will doubtless play them to their advantage.
 

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Using Afghanistan as an excuse what are the chances, Kamala aunty will become the president in not so distant future? the old man served his purpose will take all the heat.
it's only matter of time, some interviewer will ask him which year this is and the old man will answer 2002.
For Kamala to take over, lots of Americans in Kabul will have to die at the hands of the Taliban.. I don't think the democrats would stoop so low.. as to make that happen..
 

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What were the objectives of US and its allies under GWOT?

What did they set out to achieve and what did they eventually achieve?

Handing Afghanistan on a platter to Taliban sounds like a tactically brilliant move.

You can't really blame the british for what the americans have done. They didn't have much of a choice. When the boss orders you to do something, you do it.
 

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Wash off their involvement? What are you talking about?
You really wanna play this game? You are seriously saying that you know nothing about the fact that the entire US involvement in Afghanistan, from start to end, was motivated by oil and heroin under the veneer of nation-building and fighting Al-Qaeda? That over the years you have committed numerous war crimes, created death squads and embezzled money and now that your purpose is over, you retreat back saying, "Afghans need to fight for themselves", after raping and looting their country for 20 years, before which you funded Islamic fundamentalists?
 
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You really wanna play this game? You are seriously saying that you know nothing about the fact that the entire US intervention in Afghanistan was motivated by oil and heroin under the veneer of nation-building and fighting Al-Qaeda? That over the years you have committed numerous war crimes, created death squads and embezzled money and now that your purpose is over, you retreat back saying, "Afghans need to fight for themselves", after raping and looting their country for 20 years, before which you funded Islamic fundamentalists?
There's no oil in Afg as far as I know. At least it wasn't discovered when US launched Op Anaconda.
 

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There's no oil in Afg as far as I know. At least it wasn't discovered when US launched Op Anaconda.
It isn't about oil in Afg directly.

American Afghanistan policy from 1979 to 1991 was dominated by fear of the Iranian revolution, which Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter’s national security adviser, feared in part as “a Soviet threat to Persian Gulf oil fields.” Newsweek at the time wrote how “Control of Afghanistan would put the Russians within 350 miles of the Arabian Sea, the oil lifeline of the West and Japan. Soviet warplanes based in Afghanistan could cut the lifeline at will.”

In his argument for a “Eurasian geostrategy,” Brzezinski is quite clear that what makes the region of Central Asia “geopolitically significant” is above all its importance “as a potential economic prize: an enormous concentration of natural gas and oil reserves is located in the region, in addition to important minerals, including gold.” Brzezinski noted that these oil and gas reserves will become even more important as world demand increases by an estimated more than 50 percent in twenty years, “with the most significant increase in consumption occurring in the Far East."

The following article from the Foreign Military Studies Office of Fort Leavenworth, which was published three months before the World Trade Center attacks:

"The Caspian Sea appears to be sitting on yet another sea-a sea of hydrocarbons. Western oilmen flocking to the area have signed multibillion-dollar deals. U.S. firms are well-represented in the negotiations, and where U.S. business goes, U.S. national interests follow. . . . The presence of these oil reserves and the possibility of their export raises new strategic concerns for the United States and other Western industrial powers.

As oil companies build oil pipelines from the Caucasus and Central Asia to supply Japan and the West, these strategic concerns gain military implications. . . . The uninterrupted supply of oil to global markets will continue to be a key factor in international stability."

Oil was an underlying U.S. concern in Afghanistan. As NSC energy expert Sheila Heslin told Congress in 1997, U.S. policy in Central Asia was “to in essence break Russia’s monopoly control over the transportation of oil [and gas] from that region, and frankly, to promote Western energy security through diversification of supply.” The same double goal of retrieval and denial was reiterated one year later by Energy Secretary Bill Richardson: “This is about America’s energy security, which depends on diversifying our sources of oil and gas worldwide. It’s also about preventing strategic inroads by those who don’t share our values.”

American oil companies have since 1995 been united in a private Foreign Oil Companies group to lobby in Washington for an active U.S. policy to promote their interests in the Caspian basin. The conspicuous influence of petroleum money in the administration of oilmen George W. Bush and Dick Cheney was hardly less under their predecessors. A former CIA officer complained about the influence of the oil lobby in the Clinton administration:

"Heslin’s sole job, it seemed, was to carry water for an exclusive club known as the Foreign Oil Companies Group, a cover for a cartel of major petroleum companies doing business in the Caspian. . . . Another thing I learned was that Heslin wasn’t soloing. Her boss, Deputy National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, headed the interagency committee on Caspian oil policy, which made him in effect the government’s ambassador to the cartel, and Berger wasn’t a disinterested player.

He held $90,000 worth of stock in Amoco, probably the most influential member of the cartel. . . . The deeper I got, the more Caspian oil money I found sloshing around Washington DC
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Taliban takeover: IMF curbs funds, US halts arms sales to Afghanistan

The International Monetary Fund said that the new government in Afghanistan is cut off from using fund reserve assets days before the nation was set to receive almost $500 million, depriving the Taliban of key resources.

The country has been in line to automatically receive new reserves, known as special drawing rights or SDRs, on Monday as part of a recently approved IMF plan to inject $650 billion of liquidity into the troubled global economy. While Afghanistan will still receive the assets, it won’t be able to use them because the new regime lacks international recognition, the IMF said.


is this the reason why russians are talking to many nations since past 48 hours
 

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I reiterate #taliban are committed mass executions & revenge killings This was Haji Mullah Police chief of Badghis. He was a kind man & patriot #afghan I witnessed 100s of similar executions in Kandahar. Thats why we fight agaisnt the oppressive and barbaric regime @Sarfaraz1201 https://t.co/kEn6N5fpaY

Butt but but.... atleast they give press conferences, unlike Yindoo Phassist Mudi! Mudi shud rejine.
 

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Uzbek airfields house Afghan air force copters and planes, reveals satellite imagery


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Exclusive satellite images provided by IMINT show the presence of helicopters and planes belonging to the Afghan Air Force housed at the Termez International Airport.

Uzbekistan’s Termez International Airport is roughly around 600 kilometres from most major airfields surrounding Kabul and nearby provinces. It is here that the US planned to house some of the helicopters and planes belonging to the Afghan Air Force. Latest IMINT (Imagery Intelligence) sources have provided exclusive satellite images that show the presence of many of these housed at the Termez International Airport.

 

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