Taliban Takeover of Afghanistan 2021: Impact on India

HawkisRight

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It isn't about oil in Afg directly.

American Afghanistan policy from 1979 to 1991 was dominated by fear of the Iranian revolution, which Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter’s national security adviser, feared in part as “a Soviet threat to Persian Gulf oil fields.” Newsweek at the time wrote how “Control of Afghanistan would put the Russians within 350 miles of the Arabian Sea, the oil lifeline of the West and Japan. Soviet warplanes based in Afghanistan could cut the lifeline at will.”

In his argument for a “Eurasian geostrategy,” Brzezinski is quite clear that what makes the region of Central Asia “geopolitically significant” is above all its importance “as a potential economic prize: an enormous concentration of natural gas and oil reserves is located in the region, in addition to important minerals, including gold.” Brzezinski noted that these oil and gas reserves will become even more important as world demand increases by an estimated more than 50 percent in twenty years, “with the most significant increase in consumption occurring in the Far East."

The following article from the Foreign Military Studies Office of Fort Leavenworth, which was published three months before the World Trade Center attacks:

"The Caspian Sea appears to be sitting on yet another sea-a sea of hydrocarbons. Western oilmen flocking to the area have signed multibillion-dollar deals. U.S. firms are well-represented in the negotiations, and where U.S. business goes, U.S. national interests follow. . . . The presence of these oil reserves and the possibility of their export raises new strategic concerns for the United States and other Western industrial powers.

As oil companies build oil pipelines from the Caucasus and Central Asia to supply Japan and the West, these strategic concerns gain military implications. . . . The uninterrupted supply of oil to global markets will continue to be a key factor in international stability."

Oil was an underlying U.S. concern in Afghanistan. As NSC energy expert Sheila Heslin told Congress in 1997, U.S. policy in Central Asia was “to in essence break Russia’s monopoly control over the transportation of oil [and gas] from that region, and frankly, to promote Western energy security through diversification of supply.” The same double goal of retrieval and denial was reiterated one year later by Energy Secretary Bill Richardson: “This is about America’s energy security, which depends on diversifying our sources of oil and gas worldwide. It’s also about preventing strategic inroads by those who don’t share our values.”

American oil companies have since 1995 been united in a private Foreign Oil Companies group to lobby in Washington for an active U.S. policy to promote their interests in the Caspian basin. The conspicuous influence of petroleum money in the administration of oilmen George W. Bush and Dick Cheney was hardly less under their predecessors. A former CIA officer complained about the influence of the oil lobby in the Clinton administration:

"Heslin’s sole job, it seemed, was to carry water for an exclusive club known as the Foreign Oil Companies Group, a cover for a cartel of major petroleum companies doing business in the Caspian. . . . Another thing I learned was that Heslin wasn’t soloing. Her boss, Deputy National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, headed the interagency committee on Caspian oil policy, which made him in effect the government’s ambassador to the cartel, and Berger wasn’t a disinterested player.

He held $90,000 worth of stock in Amoco, probably the most influential member of the cartel. . . . The deeper I got, the more Caspian oil money I found sloshing around Washington DC
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1997..Taliban goes to Texas for Oil and Gas negotiation
 

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Using Afghanistan as an excuse what are the chances, Kamala aunty will become the president in not so distant future? the old man served his purpose will take all the heat.
it's only matter of time, some interviewer will ask him which year this is and the old man will answer 2002.
All is not well between Biden and Kamala team.
 

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Actually, Pakistan has gained serious ground there.
1) A whole new country to train and export terrorists with a lot of success stories.
2) Goes unscathed from financial or military punitive actions by the West
3) Act as a pimp for the power politics ensuing between different tribes in Afghanistan, and between China/Russia and the so-called sellout 'elders' of the Talib
4) US military presence off its chest, so terrorist activities against India can be done with greater ease, Baloch liberation will be dealt with an iron hand, PTM leaders dying in random car blasts
5) More equity in the Muslim world as a reliable supplier of battle-hardened terrorists for conflicts throughout the world.
Whatever high ground these porki take ..they all are bound to committ blunder :pound:
 

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I see a lot of you guys mocking the us and celebrating their defeat. Do you actually dislike them? And is it primarily derived from supporting Pak during the cold war?
Forget about India and see how the World(read Non-US) reads you! US has a dubious character of being very selective and have PhD in running with the hare and hunting with the hounds and then ends up hurting itself while the World looks at you being amused. The World is indeed laughing at you aka the superpower! It's not about "dislike" but more about being amused if you can stand with head up with pride being a sole superpower! You ran away with tail between the legs! Hillary said US made a mistake by abandoning AFG but you made the same mistake again! :shock:

Pakis milked billions from you and threw dirt in your eyes by hiding OBL for so many years and you could not do much until you were left with no option but to do surgical strike somehow. OBL killed your 3k people and you ended up a failed military 2 decade campaign and losing trillion $ and 2.5k dead! You don't make deals with terrorists but made a OPEN DEAL with Talibunnies brutes! The list includes Vietnam fiasco and other failures! I can make a HUGE LIST of US failures here but it would derail this AFG thread.

Right now Russia and China are laughing at you the MOST as they both have to gain from you! :lol: Right now you are on the verge of being pushed down as a second class power by China(Russia happily piggybacking them).

US is very inconsistent and loves supporting rouge regimes and them forcing democracy on them with WAR! If you have any strategic brain left then you would attack the epicenter of terrorism aka Pakistan which is a fake country! These rag tag Talibunnies are just pawns of Pakistan! You paid for the bullets which killed your soldiers! :shock: Pashtun, Sindhi, Baloch... all are sick and tired of Pakjabis and want freedom! Unless you can work up on the disintegration of that artificial country you have nothing to be proud of as a superpower!

PS: I have worked with Americans so I know a fair amount about them other than usual TV/News etc. I do not dislike the US but really amused at them! :lol:
 

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It amazes me that people over here are still making fuss about $3billion of the investment in Afg. First it's called "Investment" which is meant to produce long term fruits. It won the hearts of afg people, it gave us unlimited access to their land. Second, this money is only about $150 million per year. We spent $400 million on patel's statute, this money is peanuts to goi. It's better it went there rather corrupt govt babus pockets.
 

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Forget about India and see how the World(read Non-US) reads you! US has a dubious character of being very selective and have PhD in running with the hare and hunting with the hounds and then ends up hurting itself while the World looks at you being amused. The World is indeed laughing at you aka the superpower! It's not about "dislike" but more about being amused if you can stand with head up with pride being a sole superpower! You ran away with tail between the legs! Hillary said US made a mistake by abandoning AFG but you made the same mistake again! :shock:

Pakis milked billions from you and threw dirt in your eyes by hiding OBL for so many years and you could not do much until you were left with no option but to do surgical strike somehow. OBL killed your 3k people and you ended up a failed military 2 decade campaign and losing trillion $ and 2.5k dead! You don't make deals with terrorists but made a OPEN DEAL with Talibunnies brutes! The list includes Vietnam fiasco and other failures! I can make a HUGE LIST of US failures here but it would derail this AFG thread.

Right now Russia and China are laughing at you the MOST as they both have to gain from you! :lol: Right now you are on the verge of being pushed down as a second class power by China(Russia happily piggybacking them).

US is very inconsistent and loves supporting rouge regimes and them forcing democracy on them with WAR! If you have any strategic brain left then you would attack the epicenter of terrorism aka Pakistan which is a fake country! These rag tag Talibunnies are just pawns of Pakistan! You paid for the bullets which killed your soldiers! :shock: Pashtun, Sindhi, Baloch... all are sick and tired of Pakjabis and want freedom! Unless you can work up on the disintegration of that artificial country you have nothing to be proud of as a superpower!

PS: I have worked with Americans so I know a fair amount about them other than usual TV/News etc. I do not dislike the US but really amused at them! :lol:
The US doesn't really want the breakup of Pakistan unfortunately. Too afraid that jihadists will get their hands on the nukes in the chaos and confusion (also why they didn't push too hard on Pak to stop supporting the Taliban). As for denuclearization, that's kind of a tough nut to crack. I posted in the India-US relations thread a possible strategy but no one seemed to bite.
 
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The US doesn't really want the breakup of Pakistan unfortunately. Too afraid that jihadists will get their hands on the nukes in the chaos and confusion (also why they didn't push too hard on Pak to stop supporting the Taliban). As for denuclearization, that's kind of a tough nut to crack. I posted in the India-US relations thread a possible strategy but no one seemed to bite.
US looked the other way when Pak aquired nukes illegally through China. They didnt stop Pak from doing so nor did they penalise Pakis for nuclearising. Infact they sanctioned India, whose security dynamics required nukes. US funded and allied with Pakis even after 1998 when Pakis tested nukes and declared themselves a nooclear powwa in the open. The threat that terrorists will get hold of nukes is a bogey to prevent India s action on Pakstan/taking back PoK.
 

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US looked the other way when Pak aquired nukes illegally through China. They didnt stop Pak from doing so nor did they penalise Pakis for nuclearising. Infact they sanctioned India, whose security dynamics required nukes. US funded and allied with Pakis even after 1998 when Pakis tested nukes and declared themselves a nooclear powwa in the open. The threat that terrorists will get hold of nukes is a bogey to prevent India s action on Pakstan/taking back PoK.
In fairness that’s a litte conspiratorial. Pak didn’t become that much of a failed state until the late 2000s. Until then you didnt have random jihadists running around blowing up buildings in lahore and karachi. But yes allowing Pak to get nukes was a massive foreign policy blunder on America’s part.
 

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