Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E

[pankaj nema]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

Russia to sell China 48 Su-35 fighter jets: report - World News - SINA English

China is buying 48 SU 35 This means that their domestic J 10 and J 11
are in deep trouble

SU 35 will be deployed against US Japan Taiwan and Phillipines

 

[pankaj nema]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

TRISHUL: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

This shows that IAF has put its faith in Super sukhoi 30 Mki

 

[Mariner HK]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

@Mariner HK please dare to reply in this thread......lets have Rafale vs Su-35 with a dash of @Dr.Somnath vs @Mariner HK..........to have a better view.....

What wat is there here to dare or hide ? Grow up plz.This guy letraly saying Su35 is worthless against rafale.As if rafale is some UFO alien technology of 2500 years of future... Su 35 will be russians new frontline fighters and now China's. Eurofighter typoon will have easy kill like pro against Rafale...And su35 was made to counter Ef Typoon its self... for ur kind information i put this simple comparison ..not so complecated (i dont know in which i should reply dump of Rafale advertisment..)I really wonder this guy is lobbing for rafale...

Su 35- .8 - 1m^2
RAFALE 0.5- .8 m^2
ef 0.1 to .5 m^2

BVR missile
Meteor range-100 km
Vympel R-77M 80-160 km Speed is Mach 4.5 meteor speed is mach 4 range is 60-100 km .

Su 35 radar can pic taget from 400 km..
Now lets see at what range Su-35 can detect aircraft with RCS of 0.1 to 1.3 m^2
Su-35S has N-035 IRBIS-E. The most powerful Fighter Plane mounted X Band radar in the world. Specs are as follows.
Transmitter peak power - 20kw
Transmitter average power - 5kw
Can Track - 30 Targets
Can Simultaneously Engage - 8 Targets
Max Detection for 5 sqm RCS - 426 km
Max Detection for 3 sqm RCS - 375 km
Max Detection for 1 sqm RCS - 285 km
Max Detection for 0.01 sqm RCS - 90 km

Even if rafale's Aesa radar can pic 1m^2 rcs at some 100 -150 km Su35 would had fired its BVR missile at rafale.. from stand of range of 160 km. NOTE:These Rcs i mention are when fighters are unarmed... Just think about the rcs when rafale is armed. And dont talk about future development od meteor now it ll be childish.. I can post lots more picture advertising su35 or su 30 mki... even Jaguar and tejas...

NOW WHAT? if u want me to dare u u would had did in our mmrca vs chinese threat thread itself... U ran and hiding here ... [ninja]

 

[Mariner HK]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

I stick to my stand.. I bet on ef or su 35 instead for rafale... Rafale is a good selection for year 2000 to 2008 problem..mmrca issued befor long time now.. its 2013 china pakistan are getting more air superiority fighters and we still opt for Ground attack jets... Just check our inventory... Tejas mk1 mk2 (land attack) upgraded jaguar mirrage 2000 (land attack) Amca (multirole-mainly will be used against enemy radar and missile instalation) UCAV-Aura unmanned bomer in 2016 we will get Rafale which is inferior to other air superiority fighter. We got su 30 mki ...and it will be countered by j11b, su 30 mkk ,j20 and now su 35... Pple saying like su 30 is upgraded to super sukoi...even before u dont know its abilities u cam to a conclusion it will take care of china... Iam not surprised even if chinese buy PAK FA fighter from russia ..Guy who posted this threat will show all rafale website pics and france's advetisment and say RAFALE will best and we dont have any threat if china buys pakfa ...

Grow up .Rafale is not weapon from alien .or from 2500 ad tech. Its one of the fighter front line fighter of france.. In this threat this guy talks about its great powers compared to f22 and other fighters and showing pic of rafale shoooting all 8 fighters... COMON now... Western country dint knew about the power of mig 21 untill the went far war against it ... They pisse dtheir pants when russian roared Mig 29 for the first time to an internation airshow.... When su 27 was born it was the birth for f 15 eagle. But they talked their fighters as ONE and ONLY great machines ... lol

Like wise we wont feel untill it reaches chinese hands.. Su 35 is by far great machine... Its 4++ and gen leep from su 27 ...an the basis of great features of flankers..

 

[Mariner HK]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

Atleast this guy belive in chinese threat atall? he ll now say NO .Dont have to worry we got boffors and shows the features and pics of bofors guns.. OMG !!!

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

@p2prada
how would su35 defeat F 35 if current bvr missiles will only be able to detect stealth aircraft's at very low ranges only and even if they detect/lock on it it will classify the stealth jet as a bird or anomality. F35 will not let su35 to get close to it for a dog fight.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

Russia to sell China 48 Su-35 fighter jets: report - World News - SINA English

China is buying 48 SU 35 This means that their domestic J 10 and J 11
are in deep trouble

It has always been in trouble-Russians control the supply to engines
Paksitanis may have very few fighters in the future.

 

[p2prada]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

@p2prada
how would su35 defeat F 35 if current bvr missiles will only be able to detect stealth aircraft's at very low ranges only and even if they detect/lock on it it will classify the stealth jet as a bird or anomality. F35 will not let su35 to get close to it for a dog fight.

Whatever simulation NATO did used the fact that AWACS and tankers are not stealthy.

This is only my opinion. Perhaps Su-35s never managed a radar lock, perhaps only detected F-35s, made a mad supersonic dash towards the F-35s and killed them in WVR.

There is a chance the Russians used their WVR missiles to take out incoming Aim-120Ds to reduce losses on their sides. This is already being planned for PAKFA/FGFA.

Anyway, current BVR missiles will find it difficult to lock on to the F-35. However seekers can be upgraded rather quickly. So that won't be an issue over the long run, when Su-35s are available in decent numbers.

Or it is possible that modern, large diameter radars like the one on Su-35 can spot F-35s at reasonable ranges. This could have something to do with the Israelis claiming F-35 level stealth would be obsolete in a decade from now.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

Whatever simulation NATO did used the fact that AWACS and tankers are not stealthy.

This is only my opinion. Perhaps Su-35s never managed a radar lock, perhaps only detected F-35s, made a mad supersonic dash towards the F-35s and killed them in WVR.

There is a chance the Russians used their WVR missiles to take out incoming Aim-120Ds to reduce losses on their sides. This is already being planned for PAKFA/FGFA.

Anyway, current BVR missiles will find it difficult to lock on to the F-35. However seekers can be upgraded rather quickly. So that won't be an issue over the long run, when Su-35s are available in decent numbers.

Or it is possible that modern, large diameter radars like the one on Su-35 can spot F-35s at reasonable ranges. This could have something to do with the Israelis claiming F-35 level stealth would be obsolete in a decade from now.

a incoming bvr missile can be taken out with wvr missile ?
hypothesis ?

 

[Armand2REP]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

Brazil wasn't offered PAKFA. That much is guaranteed since Brazil has put the tender on hold. Su-35 was offered at the time.

Anyway, the PAKFA/FGFA offer could very well have been a rumor. There is no reason for Sukhoi to be offering Su-35 again if FGFA was offered.
Su-35 fighter may be a part of Brazilian tender again - News - Russian Aviation - RUAVIATION.COM

Quote by none other than Fomin himself. Won't get better than that.

The Brazil rumor came well after India had signed the MOU back in 2008. We didn't know that a MOU was signed at the time.

It was no rumour, it was fact.

Russia invited Brazil to the transfer of technology and joint development of fifth generation fighter PAK FA, also known as the T-50. On this, as reported by "Interfax" , said Deputy Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) Alexander Fomin.

Lenta.ru: Наука и техника: Россия предложила Бразилии совместную разработку ПАК ФА

Oh gee, look at that. Same guy you cited who never said PAK FA wasn't offered.

T-50 = single seat PAKFA
FGFA = single seat Indianized PAKFA

FGFA was always there. It became Indian after India decided to go for it in 2008. It was called PMF in Russia.

FGFA = whatever specification India comes up with. It WAS for a two seater. It is still in the air as studies are not complete, hence not an aircraft that could be offered to anyone.

Russia won't produce FGFA. India will produce FGFA. Russia will produce PAKFA. Russia will produce FGFA prototypes in the interim.

India will produce FGFA as it produced MKI... knock down kits for years.

FGFA is not expected to be ready for serial production until 2022 after which HAL will produce it. So it has nothing to do with any kind of Russian refusal. At least the IAF specific version will be produced in India. Beyond that contracts may be signed between HAL and Irkut/KNAAPO for other FGFA versions to be developed for export to other countries in Russia, like Su-30MK2, Su-34, MKA/MKM etc.

But you said FGFA was already offered for export, now you say FGFA versions have yet to be developed for export.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

OFF TOPIC

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/13-09-2010/114900-sukhoi-0/

Russia to export 600 Sukhoi PAK FA fifth generation jets


Russia is capable of exporting over 600 units of the fifth generation fighter Sukhoi. According to experts of the Center for Analysis of the Global Arms Trade, it is planned to build at least a thousand of these aircraft. The expected order of the Russian Air Force during the years of 2020-2040 with a favorable economic scenario in the country may reach 400-450 units.


In general, the volume of potential export orders for the PAK FA, considering India, could reach 548-686 fighters. Currently, the only foreign member of the PAK FA program is India, which plans to have no less than 250 units of fifth-generation fighter in service of its air force. They will be built on the basis of the Russian PAK FA, but the level of licensing control of the Russian side for the future model of the fifth generation aircraft is unknown.


In July of 2010, General Director of Sukhoi Mikhail Pogosyan said that the contract with India may be signed before the end of this year. The details of future cooperation of Sukhoi and the leading Indian corporation Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) participating in the development have not been reported.

Russia Today: Chinese version of Russian jet endangers bilateral relations


Based on the forecast, the potential buyers of PAK FA are distributed between the following countries: Algeria (can purchase 24-36 fifth-generation fighters in the period of 2025-2030 years), Argentina (12-24 units in the years 2035-2040), Brazil (24 - 36 units in the years 2030-2035), Venezuela (24-36 units in the years 2027-2032), Vietnam (12-24 units in the years 2030-2035), Egypt (12-24 units in the years 2040-2045).



Also, Indonesia (6-12 units in the years 2028-2032), Iran (36-48 units in the years 2035-2040), Kazakhstan (12-24 units in the years 2025-2035), China (up to 100 units in the years 2025-2035), Libya (12-24 units in the years 2025-2030), Malaysia (12-24 units in the years 2035-2040), and Syria (12-24 units in the years 2025-2030).


The real competitor to the PAK FA in the foreseeable future is only the F-35 Lightning-2, as a heavy version of the U.S. fifth generation fighter F-22. Due to its excessive price (approximately $250 million per aircraft for export) there is hardly the demand in the world arms market.


In addition, in the first half of the twenty-first century, a number of countries faced growing competition from the U.S. They want to save the independence in policy and will have to seek cooperation partners in the production of high-tech weapons systems, analysts say.


In the future, a number of Western European countries and, above all, France and possibly Germany, will show the practical interest in the partnership with Russia to develop fifth generation fighter. They will not be able to implement similar program independently, from scratch. They will not want to buy the F-35, as is done now by other countries, because they do not want to get into the technological, and as a consequence, political dependence on the U.S.


The fifth-generation aircraft is planned to take part in the aerospace show MAKS-2011. General Director of Sukhoi said that the aircraft had carried out 16 test flights, and to date the extent of its systems in terms of reliability and security allows for the program of flight tests in full. During the years 2011-12 it is planned to complete testing of the new fighter.

First Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin estimated the need for Air Force fighter of the fifth generation at 50-100 units. By the way, Russia's own needs in the new generation of the equipment, given the size of the country, are estimated as very modest. In 2013-2015 the Ministry of Defense will buy the installation batch of ten aircrafts, and by 2020 a serial batch of 60 units will be purchased for the Air Force.


According to the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), Russia ranked second worldwide in terms of weapons exported. On the world market, Russia's share is 23%, while the USA has 30%. In 2001-2005, Russia has been a leader in supplying arms overseas - 31% vs. 30% of the U.S. Russia spends four times less than Japan, Germany and three times less than the Czech Republic on research and experimental development.

 

[Mariner HK]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

After recent announcement that Chinese are going to buy Russian Su 35 there are rumours that russian Su 35 would pose a serious threat to Indian Rafale .Well how authentic is the news that chinese are going to buy Russian SU 35 is a different
issue

OMG! please read some news paper kid ... its not some joke u talk in school ..CHINA and Russia signed aggrement ..

but the point of this thread is to explain everyone that even if Chinese are indeed going to have Russian Su 35 it would have no serious threat to Rafale or even Super Su 30 mki which india going to have in future.

The thread is divided in 2 parts
1st part explains what are the decisive advantages rafale going to have over SU 35 ??

U r talking like Rafale lobbist.U headline itself make ppl laugh... Su 35 is not a Remote controled RC plan and Rafale is not Alien thechnology by alien. U trying to potray rafale cant be killed at all...As if its not possible and su 35 will just shot by rafale just like that.. COMON Man... U should be more matured than this

2nd part explains why Why india did a wise thing by upgrading SU 30 mki to Super Su 30 rather than buying Su 35?

This is the problem with you. Now u asking one question that why india did a wise thing to upgrade su 30 mki rather buying su 35? See kido i let u the reason now.Su 30 mki is a good fighter and its more capable than raptor ,f 15 ,rafale ,mirage ect in dog fight A2A and also in playload and carpat bombing Know this first.Su 30 mki can beat RAFALE too.. Now to the main point Iaf upgrading su 30 mki because even thou its a good fighter it has big ass RCS .And we always maintained our technolgican advantage over china and pakistan... In quality and tech.We are upgrading Mirage 2000 into partial rafale . It may also unknown as super mirage.as upgrade will see system used in mirage .So is it far for u to buy rafale when u upgrade mirrage ? and since u upgrade su 30mki into super sukoi u dont want to buy Su 35? Is it a right reason?U contridict ur own statement...

1) SURVIVABILITY ( which is most important due to less RCS ,less IR signature & spectra EW suite)

Dude u need some serious knowledge on su 35 also.Since u gone thru only rafale website u dont know more about Su 35 RCS... Do u know how much is it? Su 35 rcs is 1m^2 is it look like Big RCS for u ? please answer me

what would one do with a plane like flanker derivatives with a bigger rcs & less stealthy which cant survive in today' s high tech EW age with advanced SAMs ,awacs & enemy aesa enabled fighter to face ,even if it may be carrying 100 missiles ,having 10000km range & having 1000km detection range PESA radar which lacks LPI/can be jammed & 1000kn engine with higher IR signature & also heavy maintenance prone

LOL r u serious ...
1)Higher ir signature?
do u know what engine used in new su 35 mki ?

2)Heavy maintenance?
lol wat u mean by heavy maintenance? did u ever have maintenance record of su 35 mki? its cost 60 mil $ against rafale's 100 mil $

[/QUOTE]2)5TH GEN AVIONICS & SENSOR SYSTEM

a) rafale'S FSO is far better than Su 35's OLS-35 IRST (Max Detection Range: 90 kilometer)in detection range fso detection range:130 km)
[/QUOTE] u just talking like rafale middle men trying to sell


c)RBE 2 AESA RADAR
ADV: i) LPI
ii) less prone to electronic jamming
iii) more target scanning 40 targets[/QUOTE]
Rafale can target 4 at a time only against 8 with su 35
Su-35S has N-035 IRBIS-E. The most powerful Fighter Plane mounted X Band radar in the world. Specs are as follows.
Transmitter peak power - 20kw
Transmitter average power - 5kw
Can Track - 30 Targets
Can Simultaneously Engage - 8 Targets
Advanced jam-resistant secure communication system providing data link between the aircraft and ground-based command centers

http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fi.../Defence/2000/Mirage_2000-9_special_issue.pdf

these links u gone thru are of ralafe's mostly .If this threat was about RAFAle and why u want to buy RAFALE ... I could had gone thru .But for comparing i dont think worth of my time.

b)ASMP {Air-Sol Moyenne Portée}
it is french's strategic air launched cruise missile with supersonic speed with range of 500km .Russian SU 35 dont have any thing comparable to it as Klub is subsonic /Yakhont air launched is still in development but it lacks range .

in future india's case Brahmos air launched version / Brahmos 2 hypersonic version can be installed

c)HAMMER missilevery effective & highly accurate (CEP-1m) proven in afganistan & libya
capabilty to be fired through SPECTRA in suppresion of enemy's airdefences (SAM radars)
Sagem cites a range capability of more than 32nm from high altitude, or 8nm from low level. Launches can also be made from an off-axis angle of up to 90°, while up to six weapons can be fired against individual targets in a single pass and with just one trigger press."
meanwhile the russian KAB 500 /1000/ have inferior CEP(7m) & range compare to hammer

u will in ur own world ... Why u always try to say tat rafales missile is the best and russia dont have any think like before lol.. Please grow up

SU 35 has advantage in case of anti radiation missile like kh 31P & variety of anti ship missiles in comparision to rafale's exocet AScM.Meanwhile Russians dont want to install foreign made weapons in their planes for security reasons

lol are u sure? MKI has indegenous systems also wat about that and its upto the owner on choosing its weapons not russia... in case of weapon deals.

4)BETTER MULTI ROLE CAPABLE FIGHTER
both SU 35 & Rafale have been promoted as a multi role fighter but facts supports rafale that it is indeed a much better multi role fighter

What is multi role and how rafale better than Su 35 .And which facts are u talking about? Facts on Rafale .com

[/QUOTE]a)switzerland leaked evaluation report
2008 analysis
Dedefensa.org : To The Point, Context n°50 (March-April 2002) - The Road to Chaos and The Dutch Way [/QUOTE] did they compared with su 35 ? OMG why u r so childish.Each country have its own requerments. Srilankans are happy with f 16 they dont want f22 ot f35 so wat? f16 better than f22 &35..DUDE PUFFF!!!!

c) other missions which rafale has proven of not Su-35 i) buddy to buddy rufuelling in libya

Its done by su 27 flanker itself and in mig 29 also...

ii) aerial recognaissance thanks to it's AREOS RECO ng in mali & libya
iii) one of the finest proven platform in SEAD & DEAD missions unlike Su 35 in Libya

Unlike su35 in libya? when did russia invaded lybia? u think ariel recognaissance not possible with su 35? DUDE uavs can do it now...

Rafale is undisputedly a more mature & proven multirole fighter than Su 35

Which standard are u studing now? 5th? Rafale is proven flatform? wr in lybia? And wat about su 27 flankers ...Kido flankers are used by many nations in large numbers ...and its growing... but u should GROW UP As well...

5) CUTTING EDGE FUTURE UPGRADES

Rafale has a tremendous future upgrades plan in form of F3+ variant

a) Uprated M 88 engine may be with thrust vectoring

b) Upgraded avionics & ECM suite like FSO IT, SPECTRA NG ,PDL NG & MAWS NG

c)Rafale pilots can control & order UCAVS like (neuron) to strike targets, from rafale only


The Dassault Rafale

LOL seriously i thought u had smething on this thread when i say ur big mind bogling information.. MY MISTAKE..now wasted lots of time typing and reading it... U could had told simply to REFFER rafale website.insteed of posting again and giving head ach to us... Who told u su 35 cant be upgraded?and do u know power of su 35 engine plz go throu.. u wont support rafale again banged my head for several times now

Well Su 35 is a formidable fighter no doubt about it ,but rafale's advantages over Su 35 gives Rafale an edge in BVR warfare but in within VBR warfare Su 35 armed with R 73 missiles & TVC installled engines can give a tough fight to the Rafale.

hahaha ...great

Why india did a wise thing by upgrading SU 30 mki to Super Su 30 rather than buying Su 35?

1)Indian Super su 30 mki would have a cutting edge Zhuk-AE AESA radar meanwhile Irbis E has a PESA radar & Aesa is always technically superior to a PESA radar though it is expensive

2)Super Su -30 mki upgrades are still classified but what we know from sources along with an Aesa radar it is going to have
a) new cockpit may be larger size display units
b) upgraded mission computers ( probablly new system core)
c) New EW suite equivalent to Su 35's EW suite
d) Advanced Stealth characteristics ( more composites / better Ram coating)
e) Abilty to carry Brahmos ALCM ( certain structural modifications if required)
f) Even foreign weapon's & indigeious weapon integration could also be possible like Meteor ,Brimstone Astra & nirbhay

IAF's Sukhoi jets to be upgraded to fifth generation fighters
IAF to upgrade Su-30MKIs to 'Super Sukhoi' standard - Economic Times

For ur kind information. U are praising super sukoi ability and saying its a wise move..But do u know the move to upgrade su 30 into super sukoi which will have few Su 35 features .Super sukoi will be closer to su 35 but inferior to su 35 in first place ..And Cost of Su 35 is 60 mil$ ... OMG u dont know about these things and keep posting from RAFALE website and said .Su 35 dont post any threat? Are u a member in mod ada or DRDO ? U speak like them .

3)The problem with Flanker derivatives is it's high RCS no matter how they upgrade it .The biggest drawback of flanker derivatives is it's Straight air intake design as it is a big blunder for stealth as they still havent installed a radar blocker in it's engine in SU 35 .So stealth wise both Su 35 & Super Su 30 are going to even & inferior to western 4.5 gen fighters counter part no matter how they boast of reduced RCS.So no point of buying SU 35 rather than why not upgrading Su 30 mki .

How sad it is.Even USA and other western powers respect russian fighter technology.Many designs are copied by USA from Russian fighters... Kido u likr rafale byut please dont disrespect other fighter jets.. And su 35 is not upgraded..its new fighter with 1 M^2 RCS... seriously its so childish..am sorry

4)Russian Su 35 still would have some advantages in performance aspect like higher thrust engines, more range & higher T/W ratio but those advantages are not decisive nor overwhelming in comparision to Super su 30

WHAT ? Why its not comparble to su 30 ? Dumb Head Su 30 is a kido in front of Su 35 in all aspect... Su 27 is a bacha in front of su 30 mki.. OMG OMg OMG OMG !!!!

5)Russia have always known to sold similiar weapons platform to china like SU -30 MkK ,yes the chinese are developing & inducting J11b & j15 but despite all that Russia always find ways to persuade China to buy it's weapons for financial reasons
So why should india buy a platform which has no guarantee that it wont be sold to china .

HAHAHA its the greatest joke i heard in my life Russia has similar chinese platform ? lol Ok Sir russian coppied chinese technology like J11b and J 15

6)India & Russia are already partners in developing a 5th gen plane (PAK-FA) which is a futuristic fighter designed to meet future aerial threats .SO why waste money on buying a new plane like Su 35 which's capabilty can be matched by upgrading that similiar kind of plane with added features like that of Su 30 mki to Super Su 30 standard

Oh is it? ok so why we need to buy Rafale in first place? we will get Pak Fa so.. and upgraded super sukoi ? KIDO u need to grow up.Stop these kind of fun. Its not funny.U dont know wat su 35 is capable ,wat su 30mki are capable of, and dont know why we are buying mmrca and u just copied and pasted rafale.com here as a new threat and some of ur friend on here want me to debate on .... Shuuuuushhhhh!!!!

My only hope.U should not work in ADA,DRDO or other defence psu... PLZ do me this small favou alone thank u... RAFALE is great Su 35 is worthless Toy plan...

 

[Mariner HK]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

[video=youtube_share;DK2d0LRWrbY]http://youtu.be/DK2d0LRWrbY[/video]

Rafale born to be the Best Su 35 Born to beat the BEST ....[
VIDEO]http://youtu.be/JedIJJiqjn4[/VIDEO]

Have u ever seen missile fired at the back? Welcome to the 21st century
[video=youtube_share;nKMvb_MF57w]http://youtu.be/nKMvb_MF57w[/video]

Its a beast...
[video=youtube_share;vcCcPUCGASo]http://youtu.be/vcCcPUCGASo[/video]

 

[Mariner HK]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

[video=youtube_share;8WVQkzQCaCw]http://youtu.be/8WVQkzQCaCw[/video]

 

[Mariner HK]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

Su-35BM upgrade package then being developed for Russian Air Force Su-35 Flanker E fighters. New build Su-35BM aircraft such as those being marketed to the PLA-AF and Brazil would be largely identical in configuration. Especially interesting are the animations of air to air engagements, and the use of the Novator R-100 (KS-172/R-172/K-100/AAM-L) 'anti-AWACS' missile against the E-3C AWACS. The CGI shows an R-77 launch, but the Russian language text refers to a 'long range AAM' which is the Novator R-100.

 

[Mariner HK]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

Su-35 Most Advanced Russian Fighter -- Performance -: * Maximum speed: 2,450 km/h (1,520 mph) * Range: 4,000 km (2,500 mi) * Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,100 ft) * Rate of climb: 230 m/s (45,245 ft/min) * Wing loading: 85.1 lb/ft² (414.5 kg/ft²)[video=youtube_share;Z-ilcodoppc]http://youtu.be/Z-ilcodoppc[/video]

China will have this... Its no threat ? its a great joke i ever heard...

 

[Mariner HK]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

must watch .... [video=youtube_share;RlCHYwIxgeE]http://youtu.be/RlCHYwIxgeE[/video]

 

[Mariner HK]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

This thread is so lame and imatured... No threat for India? our drdo and ada will be very happy to hear from this guy...

 

[Mariner HK]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

but why would china buy T -50 if they are building J20 ??

Brahmos is perfect example for u can they sell it to china

u wanna sell bramos to china nice ...no wonder it came rom u ..all the best.. check my videos ...and this is for u special one... weapons and tech of su 35 [video=youtube_share;YuzCSJBjlv8]http://youtu.be/YuzCSJBjlv8[/video]

 

[p2prada]

Re: Why Su-35 would not pose any serious security threat to India's Ra

It was no rumour, it was fact.
Oh gee, look at that. Same guy you cited who never said PAK FA wasn't offered.

This joint development is for FGFA, not PAKFA. There is nothing to develop on the PAKFA. Most of the systems are almost ready. First stage engine, Irbis AESA, side and rear AESAs, EODAS equivalent system, GLONASS navigation system, CIPs, cockpit etc.

Heck by the time FGFA flies for the first time, the PAKFA will be in its final testing phase and would have already started serial production.

FGFA = whatever specification India comes up with. It WAS for a two seater. It is still in the air as studies are not complete, hence not an aircraft that could be offered to anyone.

We can only follow what is latest from our side or Russian side regarding this.

India and Russia going to sign biggest-ever defence deal worth $ 35 billion - Times Of India

Interestingly, after first specifying the requirement for at least 166 single-seat and 48 twin-seat of these 5th Gen fighters, India is veering around to the view that it will go in for only single-cockpit jets now.

"Both F-35 and T-50 are single-seaters. A second cockpit will compromise the stealth capabilities by at least 15% apart from adding to the weight and reducing fuel capacity. Moreover, R&D costs could go up by another $2 billion for the twin-seater," he said.

Of course, until the final design is agreed on, we cannot be sure.

The MKIzation phase between 2018 and 2022 may see the addition of a cockpit for manufacture a few years after the single seater.

India will produce FGFA as it produced MKI... knock down kits for years.

Nope. Full manufacturing. 60 MKIs are being produced from scratch in India as well.

From the article,

"Russia has already given the draft R&D contract to us. It will include the cost of designing, infrastructure build-up at Ozar, prototype development and flight testing. So, India will have scientists and test pilots based both in Russia and Ozar during the R&D phase up to 2019. HAL will subsequently begin manufacturing the fighters," he added.

But you said FGFA was already offered for export, now you say FGFA versions have yet to be developed for export.

The Russians have always offered prototypes and yet to be ready aircraft, both Mig-35 and Su-35. Same with Saab Gripen to Switzerland. Su-35 was offered in 2002 to Korea when it wasn't even properly designed at the time.

Dassault's Rafale F4 to UAE is of similar nature. The American offer of SH was the Block 3 version to India, not even designed at the time.

So what's wrong with FGFA being offered for development. Heck, it is development. That alone says it all.