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hmmmm .... see how long can u survive on stolen tech .... if you say that the title of a thief is good then its ok... but we hve chosen not to....
Slowly and steadily we will b there....
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Slowly and steadily we will b there....
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I wonder what the hell is up with IAF. They call Tejas a trainer, threaten cancelling the IJT Sitara and now this? Anyway, how reliable is that site?
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Another example of fake news.
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Thats what i was thinking. IAF would be stupid to let such a ambitious deal to let go . The only truth I find in that is about Price Escalation. Russia does have a bad rep when prices are concerned
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There won't be anything of the sort. It is not easy to jack up prices in a JV. It is a 50-50 JV. If they jack up prices, it means even they have to spend an equal amount.
And we have auditors who watch these things.
Secondly, the project is defined as a strategic project. You will rarely find any official information about a strategic project. The only times you find authentic information is when they actually come out and make an official press statement. So, if you want any kind of actual information, it will be reported by multiple sources or by one source from an actual interview. As of today all our information about PAKFA/FGFA comes from director level people from Sukhoi and HAL or a very rare interview from an Lt General and higher of VVS or Vice Air Marshal and higher of IAF.
Any monkey with a pen claiming he got something from a source of his is going to be wrong.
About PAKFA in particular, there have been some documentaries, but the information from these sources have been extremely small.
The best source of information for PAKFA has come from patents that Sukhoi has filed in the recent years.
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So all bad news about PAKFA is fake news,
Any DDM news saying tejas is just a trainer is good news, authentic source based news!!!
And Matsy farts in Vayu stratpost, like tejas is below the Mig-21 Bison level is even more authentic news!!!!!!
A nice and simple way to separate fake news from good news,
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Shukla has lost a lot of credibility among people who follow defense news. Anything from him that has to do with Arjun/T-90 or FGFA/F-35 needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.[tweet]506365637782827008[/tweet]
The first tweet is a sly to arms lobbyist Ajay Shukla
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So are the most of the retired brass , a few agenda posters here and DDM folks ,
who leak tons of plated fake news supplied by foreign interests and arms lobbies on tejas and Arjun,
Their veils to will be torn shortly as both platforms are entering service.
Ajai shukla still has a lot of credibility.
He never asked IAF to scrap FGFA and go for F-35.
he only asked some very troubling questions comparing the huge costs that will be incurred on MMRCA to the cost of F-35 which has 5th gen VLO airframe , which is not present in any of the 20 billion dollar babes doing the cat walk for MMRCA, impressing our top civilian leadership and retired and retiring brass.
who leak tons of plated fake news supplied by foreign interests and arms lobbies on tejas and Arjun,
Their veils to will be torn shortly as both platforms are entering service.
Ajai shukla still has a lot of credibility.
He never asked IAF to scrap FGFA and go for F-35.
he only asked some very troubling questions comparing the huge costs that will be incurred on MMRCA to the cost of F-35 which has 5th gen VLO airframe , which is not present in any of the 20 billion dollar babes doing the cat walk for MMRCA, impressing our top civilian leadership and retired and retiring brass.
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next time you have to try harder to hide..
( Im still trying to convince myself that you care for the Indian workers..)
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So 2016 for India's first prototype... and Prada was always swearing up-and-down that'd it be by the end of this year.
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I came to live with this fact when the first announcement came that the contract was delayed.So 2016 for India's first prototype... and Prada was always swearing up-and-down that'd it be by the end of this year.
After all that workshare and cost hassle. We should have signed this agreement last year.Here's to hoping for a signature at the end of the year. Putin's coming to India this December.
Even with the delay of the first prototype, it doesn't look like the next two prototypes are going to be delayed.
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India-Russia agree to move forward on 5th Gen Fighter Program | idrw.org
According to the latest report of Defencenews.com , India and Russia have put behind their difference on Co-Development of 5th generation fighter aircraft based on Russian Pak-Fa and have agreed to move forward and are likely to sign an agreement by year end .
Russian officials have agreed to give larger share of work-share to Indian partner from current 15% to 25% and have also agreed on list of technological development which both partners will carry out . ;s still not clear if Russian have agreed to provide greater access to Pak-Fa aircraft project to Indian team or have addressed technical problem raised by the Indian team on Pak-Fa Project .
According to the report Indian and Russia have agreed to Jointly carry out Work on Thrust vector control nozzle for FGFA Project and also agreed to mate Indian BVR Missile Astra-1 and Astra 2 to the FGFA , Integration of BrahMos-M with FGFA is also on the cards .
India has already has invested $295 million into the project and Ig agreement goes through by year end IAF will get First PAk-Fa Prototype in 2016 and FGFA prototype in 2019 and will go into production by 2021-22 period .
Great development....
According to the latest report of Defencenews.com , India and Russia have put behind their difference on Co-Development of 5th generation fighter aircraft based on Russian Pak-Fa and have agreed to move forward and are likely to sign an agreement by year end .
Russian officials have agreed to give larger share of work-share to Indian partner from current 15% to 25% and have also agreed on list of technological development which both partners will carry out . ;s still not clear if Russian have agreed to provide greater access to Pak-Fa aircraft project to Indian team or have addressed technical problem raised by the Indian team on Pak-Fa Project .
According to the report Indian and Russia have agreed to Jointly carry out Work on Thrust vector control nozzle for FGFA Project and also agreed to mate Indian BVR Missile Astra-1 and Astra 2 to the FGFA , Integration of BrahMos-M with FGFA is also on the cards .
India has already has invested $295 million into the project and Ig agreement goes through by year end IAF will get First PAk-Fa Prototype in 2016 and FGFA prototype in 2019 and will go into production by 2021-22 period .
Great development....
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Russia's fifth- generation fighter receives first sets of new electronic warfare system
The Radio Electronic Technologies concern provided the Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation (PAC FA) T-50 with the first batch of Himalayas electronic warfare systems. "We are currently testing it," General Director Nikolay Kolesov told TASS. "T-50 prototypes are already equipped with the Himalayas onboard defense system. The system is used in plane tests," Kolesov said. The unique air system increases fighter jet's jamming resistance and damage tolerance, as well as neutralizes enemy's signature control systems. It also helps decrease aggregate weight of the PAC FA. The Himalayas are integrated into the jet fighter system to the extent it functions as a so- called smart cover. "In other words, we are not producing some separate blocks, but parts of a plane with add-in electronic devices," Kolesov stressed when talking about fifth-generation jet fighters' electronic warfare characteristics. The Himalayas EW system was developed by the Kaluga Scientific Research and Radio Technology Institute and is manufactured at the Signal radioplant in Stavropol. They are both part of the Radio Electronic Technologies concern. The concern is Russia's largest electronic industry holding company. It was established back in 2009 and is now part of the Rostec State Corporation. It specializes in development and production of systems and commercial avionics, position- radar station of air basing, identification and electronic warfare systems, measuring apparatus for various purposes. The concern includes 97 scientific research institutes, a development laboratory and production facilities.
TASS: Russia - Russia's fifth-generation fighter receives first sets of new electronic warfare system
The Radio Electronic Technologies concern provided the Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation (PAC FA) T-50 with the first batch of Himalayas electronic warfare systems. "We are currently testing it," General Director Nikolay Kolesov told TASS. "T-50 prototypes are already equipped with the Himalayas onboard defense system. The system is used in plane tests," Kolesov said. The unique air system increases fighter jet's jamming resistance and damage tolerance, as well as neutralizes enemy's signature control systems. It also helps decrease aggregate weight of the PAC FA. The Himalayas are integrated into the jet fighter system to the extent it functions as a so- called smart cover. "In other words, we are not producing some separate blocks, but parts of a plane with add-in electronic devices," Kolesov stressed when talking about fifth-generation jet fighters' electronic warfare characteristics. The Himalayas EW system was developed by the Kaluga Scientific Research and Radio Technology Institute and is manufactured at the Signal radioplant in Stavropol. They are both part of the Radio Electronic Technologies concern. The concern is Russia's largest electronic industry holding company. It was established back in 2009 and is now part of the Rostec State Corporation. It specializes in development and production of systems and commercial avionics, position- radar station of air basing, identification and electronic warfare systems, measuring apparatus for various purposes. The concern includes 97 scientific research institutes, a development laboratory and production facilities.
TASS: Russia - Russia's fifth-generation fighter receives first sets of new electronic warfare system
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Prototype 052 of Sukhoi PAK FA T-50 on runway of Ramenskoye Airport, in Moscow Oblast, Russia, on Oct 10, 2014.
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Can't keep waiting for stealth fighter, India tells Russia TNN | Nov 25, 2014, 06.19 AM IST
NEW DELHI: Ahead of President Vladimir Putin's visit here early next month, India has told Russia to come back with a plan to substantially reduce the delivery timeframe for the stealth fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) if it wants to seal the futuristic project by next year.
The plan till now was that India would begin inducting the stealth fighters only 94 months — at the earliest — after the two countries inked the final design and R&D contract, which itself has already been delayed by over two years by now.
"Russia has now been told that India cannot wait for a decade to get the FGFA. The delivery schedules should be compressed instead of IAF waiting for the FGFA till 2024-2025. The Russians will probably respond during Putin's visit," a defence ministry source said on Monday.
As was first reported by TOI, India is already upset with Russia for not giving its experts "full technological access" to the FGFA project despite being an equal funding partner. The final design contract, which is yet to be inked after missing the mid-2012 deadline, envisages the two countries chipping in with $5.5 billion each towards designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development and flight testing.
With the 127 single-seat FGFA that IAF wants costing extra, India will spend around $25 billion on the entire project. India had already spent $295 million on it after inking the preliminary design contract with Russia in December 2010.
The Indian "perspective multirole fighter" is to be based on the under development Russian FGFA called PAK-FA or Sukhoi T-50, which undertook its first flight-test in January 2010, but will be tweaked to IAF's requirements.
The delivery of aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya by Russia to India was delayed by several years.
As per the initial plan, with Indian scientists and experts also being based in Russia, the Ozar facility of Hindustan Aeronautics in Nashik was to get three FGFA prototypes in 2014, 2017 and 2019 for test-flying by IAF pilots. The final production was to begin only around 2022. All these timelines, of course, have gone awry with the final design contract yet to be sealed.
With IAF down to just 34 fighter squadrons, when at least 44 are required, alarm bells have finally begun to clang loudly in the Indian defence establishment over the long delays in all its three fighter induction projects.
The indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft, first approved in 1983, for instance, will get final operational clearance only by mid-2015. But IAF will get what it actually wants, the four Tejas Mark-II squadrons, from 2022 onwards.
Vladimir Putin, who was the Russian prime minister then, walks near a new Russian fighter jet Sukhoi T-50, after its flight in Zhukovksy, outside Moscow on June 17, 2010. (Getty Images photo)
Negotiations for the almost $20 billion MMRCA (medium multirole combat aircraft) project for 126 Rafale fighters, too, are stuck with France yet to accept full responsibility for the 108 of the jets to be produced in India. "MoD wants at least two of the three projects (FGFA, LCA and MMRCA) to be speeded up," said a source.
indo-russian relationship seems to be in rough waters after vikramaditya price hikes and late delivery of other defence products. hope if they sign during putin's vist and russia agrees to transfer all the relevant technologies including engine. also india should concentrate on AMCA with vector thrusting ej200 engines. same goes with other weapons.
NEW DELHI: Ahead of President Vladimir Putin's visit here early next month, India has told Russia to come back with a plan to substantially reduce the delivery timeframe for the stealth fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) if it wants to seal the futuristic project by next year.
The plan till now was that India would begin inducting the stealth fighters only 94 months — at the earliest — after the two countries inked the final design and R&D contract, which itself has already been delayed by over two years by now.
"Russia has now been told that India cannot wait for a decade to get the FGFA. The delivery schedules should be compressed instead of IAF waiting for the FGFA till 2024-2025. The Russians will probably respond during Putin's visit," a defence ministry source said on Monday.
As was first reported by TOI, India is already upset with Russia for not giving its experts "full technological access" to the FGFA project despite being an equal funding partner. The final design contract, which is yet to be inked after missing the mid-2012 deadline, envisages the two countries chipping in with $5.5 billion each towards designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development and flight testing.
With the 127 single-seat FGFA that IAF wants costing extra, India will spend around $25 billion on the entire project. India had already spent $295 million on it after inking the preliminary design contract with Russia in December 2010.
The Indian "perspective multirole fighter" is to be based on the under development Russian FGFA called PAK-FA or Sukhoi T-50, which undertook its first flight-test in January 2010, but will be tweaked to IAF's requirements.
The delivery of aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya by Russia to India was delayed by several years.
As per the initial plan, with Indian scientists and experts also being based in Russia, the Ozar facility of Hindustan Aeronautics in Nashik was to get three FGFA prototypes in 2014, 2017 and 2019 for test-flying by IAF pilots. The final production was to begin only around 2022. All these timelines, of course, have gone awry with the final design contract yet to be sealed.
With IAF down to just 34 fighter squadrons, when at least 44 are required, alarm bells have finally begun to clang loudly in the Indian defence establishment over the long delays in all its three fighter induction projects.
The indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft, first approved in 1983, for instance, will get final operational clearance only by mid-2015. But IAF will get what it actually wants, the four Tejas Mark-II squadrons, from 2022 onwards.
Vladimir Putin, who was the Russian prime minister then, walks near a new Russian fighter jet Sukhoi T-50, after its flight in Zhukovksy, outside Moscow on June 17, 2010. (Getty Images photo)
Negotiations for the almost $20 billion MMRCA (medium multirole combat aircraft) project for 126 Rafale fighters, too, are stuck with France yet to accept full responsibility for the 108 of the jets to be produced in India. "MoD wants at least two of the three projects (FGFA, LCA and MMRCA) to be speeded up," said a source.
indo-russian relationship seems to be in rough waters after vikramaditya price hikes and late delivery of other defence products. hope if they sign during putin's vist and russia agrees to transfer all the relevant technologies including engine. also india should concentrate on AMCA with vector thrusting ej200 engines. same goes with other weapons.
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will there come a time where russia buys from india. for example certain parts that are made in russia are also made in india and they might have force majeure reasons and needing supply from other sources. there is also a possibility of india make it cheaper and quality is the same (and even better sometimes)
