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If Russia wants to fight a war successfully with Europe, it needs production capacity outside Russia for its equipment.

India offers a very good location for Russian armament industry. For example Su-30 factory can provide a lot of Su-27 and Su-30 spares back to Russia.

Russian must adopt joint production principles with select foreign countries so that supply of spares is not hindered in case production is affected in Russia itself.
 

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MOSCOW, December 4. /TASS/. First Russian fighter jet of the fifth-generation fitted out with a second-stage engine is expected to make a maiden flight in 2017, Vyacheslav Massalov, the Director General of the United Engine-Building Corporation said on Thursday. He said the second-stage engine will be 17% to 18% more efficient than the engine of its predecessor, the G4 aircraft. "The aircraft that's known as Item 30 at present and that has a second-stage engine is supposed to make its maiden flight in 2017," Massalov said. "The efficiency of the new engine is 17% to 18% higher than that of the first-stage engine." In particular, the new engine consumes notably less fuel. The maiden flight of fifth- generation jet fitted out with the first-stage jet took place in 2010, Mikhail Pogossian, the chief designer of the corporation said last summer. The supplies contract for those aircraft is expected to be signed in 2015.
TASS: Russia - Russia's fifth-generation fighter jet to make maiden flight in 2017
 

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Russia can't deliver on Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft: IAF

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has done a stunning about-turn, sharply criticising the showpiece Indo-Russian project to co-develop a futuristic Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). Even as New Delhi and Moscow finalise a $6 billion deal to co-develop an FGFA with capabilities tailor-made for India, the IAF has alleged the Russians would be unable to meet their promises about its performance.

So vital is the FGFA considered for the IAF's future that Defence Minister A K Antony has publicly rejected any prospect of buying the American fifth generation F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, declaring the FGFA would suffice. In 2007, New Delhi and Moscow highlighted the fighter's criticality by signing an Inter Governmental Agreement (IGA) placing the project above MoD procurement rules. Moreover, Indian scientists say the expertise gained from the FGFA will provide crucial momentum for developing an all-Indian fifth generation fighter, designated the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

Yet, with so much riding on the FGFA, the IAF has taken aback the MoD with its complaint that it would not be good enough. On December 24, in a meeting in New Delhi chaired by Gokul Chandra Pati, the secretary of defence production, top IAF officials argued the FGFA has "shortfalls"¦ in terms of performance and other technical features."

Business Standard has reviewed the minutes of that meeting. The IAF's three top objections to the FGFA were: (a) The Russians are reluctant to share critical design information with India; (b) The fighter's current AL-41F1 engines are inadequate, being mere upgrades of the Sukhoi-30MKI's AL-31 engines; and (c) It is too expensive. With India paying $6 billion to co-develop the FGFA, "a large percentage of IAF's capital budget will be locked up."

On January 15, the IAF renewed the attack in New Delhi, at a MoD meeting to review progress on the FGFA. The IAF's deputy chief of air staff (DCAS), its top procurement official, declared the FGFA's engine was unreliable, its radar inadequate, its stealth features badly engineered, India's work share too low, and that the fighter's price would be exorbitant by the time it enters service.

Top MoD sources suspect the IAF is undermining the FGFA to free up finances for buying 126 Rafale medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) for an estimated $18 billion, an acquisition that has run into financial headwinds because of budgetary constraints. In October 2012, then IAF boss, Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne, announced the IAF would buy only 144 FGFAs instead of the 214 that were originally planned. Having cut the numbers, the IAF is now questioning the very benefit of co-developing the FGFA with Russia.

Fifth-generation fighters are qualitatively superior to current "Generation 4.5" fighters like the Sukhoi-30MKI. They are designed for stealth, which makes these near-invisible to radar; they "supercruise", that is, fly at supersonic speed without lighting engine afterburners (which some current fighters like the Rafale also do); and they have futuristic avionics and missiles.

The MoD and HAL have countered the IAF's objections to the FGFA. Russian officials have clarified that the current prototype's engine, the AL-41F1, is a temporary solution to let the flight-test programme continue. A new engine being developed in Russia will eventually power both the FGFA and PAK-FA.

Officials also say the FGFA programme involves co-developing radar far superior to the one on current prototypes. The Russian Air Force wants conventional radar for its version of the FGFA, which looks only towards the front. The IAF wants two additional radars that look side-wards, allowing the pilot vision all around. Now the Russians are evaluating a similar requirement.

Asked for comments, the IAF has not responded. The MoD and HAL, who were requested for comments via email, have also remained silent.

While the MoD, HAL and the IAF continue discussions, Russia has gone ahead with developing a fifth-generation fighter. The Sukhoi Design Bureau has designed and done 300 test-flights of the T-50, the stealth fighter Sukhoi and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) plan to refine into the FGFA in about eight years. The Russian Air Force, which has less ambitious specifications than the IAF, plans to induct into service its own version of the T-50, the PAK-FA (Perspektivny Aviatsionny Kompleks Frontovoy Aviatsii, or 'Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation') by 2017-18.

After the IGA of October 2007, a General Contract was signed in December 2008 between HAL and Rosoboronexport, Russia's defence exports agency. This laid out general principles of cooperation, such as work share, cost sharing and sale of the FGFA to third countries. In December 2010, a Preliminary Design Contract was signed, which led to the FGFA's basic configuration and selection of its systems and equipment. With that completed in June 2013, the crucial R&D contract is now being negotiated. This will encompass the actual design and development of the FGFA.

Russia can't deliver on Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft: IAF | Business Standard News
 

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Re: Russia can't deliver on Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft: IAF

@Blackwater, that article is one year old, from January 2014
 
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Re: Russia can't deliver on Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft: IAF

@Blackwater, that article is one year old, from January 2014
Has reality change??

Has issued mentione here change??

Has LCA an arjun changed


This news will also not change,problem remain same whether article is from 2014 or 2024 :taunt1::taunt1:
 
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Russia, India Complete Draft Project for Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft / Sputnik International

he regional director of international cooperation at the united Russian-Indian aircraft manufacturing company reported Saturday that Russia and India have completed the creation of the export version of the Sukhoi/HAL Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft.

Russia and India have completed the preliminary design for the Sukhoi/HAL Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), the regional director of international cooperation at the united Russian-Indian aircraft manufacturing company said Saturday.
"As of now, we and our Indian colleagues have completed the creation of the export version of the [Sukhoi] PAK FA, known in India as FGFA. We already have documents and understanding of the scope of the next phase of design, the scale of future production," Andrey Marshankin said in an interview with the Russian News Service radio.

Marshankin noted that while the Russian version of the fifth generation fighter jet is operated by a single pilot, the Indian Air Force prefers aircraft that are operated by two pilots.

"In difficult conditions of modern warfare it is extremely difficult to simultaneously maneuver [the aircraft] and attack the enemy. Currently, the Indian side suggests that the Indian version of the fifth generation fighter will be made for two pilots," he said.

The Sukhoi PAK FA (T-50) is the Russian Air Force's first stealth fighter, intended to succeed the Sukhoi Su-27, as well as the Mikoyan MiG-29 fighter jets. The aircraft conducted its first test flight in 2010 and deliveries are set to begin in 2016. The FGFA, developed jointly by Russia's Sukhoi and India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, is a derivative from the PAK FA.
 

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I thought we had settled down to a one pilot option because of compromise to stealth & costs involved.

And yeah its funny we are talking about export model when we are yet to do anything for our requirements
 

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If Russia wants to fight a war successfully with Europe, it needs production capacity outside Russia for its equipment.

India offers a very good location for Russian armament industry. For example Su-30 factory can provide a lot of Su-27 and Su-30 spares back to Russia.

Russian must adopt joint production principles with select foreign countries so that supply of spares is not hindered in case production is affected in Russia itself.
You really think we would support Russia if the go on war with west.
India has huge export market for our products in Western Europe and America.
What makes you think we are going to go against our customers.
Russians are businessmen and regards us as a customer and they always milk us to the maximum. If we don't have money they will just throw us away like waste.
What makes you think our local population will allow the government to go against our source of income.
 

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Russia is broke, let alone the additional deeper sanctions imposed by the international community. India will become like Russia's "milk cow" if it continues depending on their technology and arms imports. Russia needs filthy rich Indians money to fuel it's military projects and developments.


Time to cancel all the proposed contracts with every foreign arms supplier and invest that billions of tax payers' hard earned money in local defence contractors and projects which will not only create thousands of jobs for the Indian workers, but a solid foundation, the experience, and experiments which could lead to superior developments in the future. Prosperity for all.
and you think some how you understand this but not indian govt.,military,industries and modi and you know every thing,you must be dumb to think that you are clever than whole country because i dont understand your concern here.
 

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I dont understand why IAF wants twin seater aircraft if Russian airforce wants single seater..specially it can compromise basic stealth feature !!
 

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I dont understand why IAF wants twin seater aircraft if Russian airforce wants single seater..specially it can compromise basic stealth feature !!
even more strange is IAF not insisting on such twin seat configurations for rafale their pet deep penetration striker on china. If strike fighters don't need twin seats now, will they need it a decade after?
 

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