Sukhoi PAK FA

[IndianHawk]

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Wtf LCA mk1a is costing 40 milion plus. Has rouble sank so low against dollar!! What is happening here.

 

[Neptune]

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This is rubbish reporting by the media as usual. Just like in the past they reported Russia was only buying 12 aircraft, then media reported the project was canceled, then some plasma BS....

If this figure is correct, which I doubt. Then it’s probably just the bare bones aircraft without weapons, spares or even engines.

The SU-35 was sold to China at 85 million per aircraft, included was extra engines and other parts. The SU-57 is much more advanced and more complex to manufacture then the SU-35, it has AESA, actually 3 AESA radars, which is difficult and expensive to producing and many exotic and costly alloys and composite materials. Even the manufacture the canopy takes extensive steps and man hours as it’s treated with, 12 or 13 layers of gold, tin oxide and other materials. I would imagine this aircraft to be closer to the price of SU-35 but we are talking about all new engines and weapons systems too, that would cause the price to go up unless they produce everything in large quantities and have some amazingly efficient factories.

 

[Armand2REP]

This is rubbish reporting by the media as usual. Just like in the past they reported Russia was only buying 12 aircraft, then media reported the project was canceled, then some plasma BS....

If this figure is correct, which I doubt. Then it’s probably just the bare bones aircraft without weapons, spares or even engines.

The SU-35 was sold to China at 85 million per aircraft, included was extra engines and other parts. The SU-57 is much more advanced and more complex to manufacture then the SU-35, it has AESA, actually 3 AESA radars, which is difficult and expensive to producing and many exotic and costly alloys and composite materials. Even the manufacture the canopy takes extensive steps and man hours as it’s treated with, 12 or 13 layers of gold, tin oxide and other materials. I would imagine this aircraft to be closer to the price of SU-35 but we are talking about all new engines and weapons systems too, that would cause the price to go up unless they produce everything in large quantities and have some amazingly efficient factories.

The current production model of the Su-57 is just a Su-35 with internal bays. It doesn't have the next gen engines or AESA radar.

 

[Neptune]

The current production model of the Su-57 is just a Su-35 with internal bays. It doesn't have the next gen engines or AESA radar.

You don’t know anything and what your saying is impossible. The pak-fa had AESA since T-50-3 that was in 201, they had many more models after that testing full avionics and indeed used those aircraft in Syria for combat trials, they fired cruise missiles which would not be possible without radar.

If I understand you correctly you are claiming the RuAF was to fly around an SU-57 with the SU-35 IRBIS radar which would not even fit to make your argument even more silly other avionics from the SU-35 would not even be compatible with the SU-57, the IRST from the SU-35, for instance would not fit onto the SU-57 because it too large.


You are confused, to break it down the SU-57 had deep sensor fusion and as so radars, ECM, communications and many other systems can’t just be replaced because many systems are slaved and specific to the SU-57. Some things to consider:

The main NO36 AESA has been on every model since T-50-3. This is the brains of the aircraft and communicate with all other avionics and other aircraft. It’s not possible to fit the SU-35 radar for obvious reasons such as shape and incompatibility.

The NO36B side lobe AESA is only capable for the SU-57.

The SU-35 does not have the L402 Himalayas ECM system.

The SU-35 OLS-35 IRST is too big to house the 101KS-V IRST .

The Atoll electro-optical systems are not found on the SU-35 and are again integrated as part of deep sensory fusion only found on the SU-57.

 

[Armand2REP]

You don’t know anything and what your saying is impossible. The pak-fa had AESA since T-50-3 that was in 201, they had many more models after that testing full avionics and indeed used those aircraft in Syria for combat trials, they fired cruise missiles which would not be possible without radar.

Clearly you don't know anything, the NO36 radar was designed from the NO35 and have similar dimensions. They intend to put that radar in the Su-35 once development is complete.

 

[Neptune]

Clearly you don't know anything, the NO36 radar was designed from the NO35 and have similar dimensions. They intend to put that radar in the Su-35 once development is complete.

No, once again you know nothing and what you’re saying can’t be backed with sources. Post a single source saying the SU-57 is flying around with SU-35 avionics such as radar.....



The No36 is a fixed AESA designed to work with the No36B, the No35 is rotational gimbal mounted PESA, the shape, thickness, everything is different. In the future (probably a decade or more) the SU-35 will use a derivative of the No36 but for now it is not possible. Nor has NIIP announced that they have a functioning AESA for the SU-35, let alone one that is equipped on serial models.

 

[Armand2REP]

No, once again you know nothing and what you’re saying can’t be backed with sources. Post a single source saying the SU-57 is flying around with SU-35 avionics such as radar......

There is no radar with AFAR ...

Okay, H036, which is Belka, was shown at the MAKS in 2009. Solemnly and with all the relying cries of “Urya!” In 2019, “Army 2019” was shown again. They said it was about to be. Is it really so hard to wait until 2029?

In fact, the fifth generation of the Su-57 is not yet until there is a radar with AFAR and a normal engine. That which the Indians quickly understood and dumped from the project.

https://topwar.ru/166187-komu-navredil-upavshij-piar-istrebitel.html

 

[Neptune]

There is no radar with AFAR ...

Okay, H036, which is Belka, was shown at the MAKS in 2009. Solemnly and with all the relying cries of “Urya!” In 2019, “Army 2019” was shown again. They said it was about to be. Is it really so hard to wait until 2029?

In fact, the fifth generation of the Su-57 is not yet until there is a radar with AFAR and a normal engine. That which the Indians quickly understood and dumped from the project.

https://topwar.ru/166187-komu-navredil-upavshij-piar-istrebitel.html

This source doesn’t say anything about no radar on SU-57 and it certainly says nothing about the SU-57 using SU-35 avionics. Moreover, you probably don’t know Russian and that article is a silly fanboy hack job.


The SU-57 can not fire weapons without radar-sorry your entire argument falls apart here. Moreover it doesn’t take 20 years to develop a radar, if anyone believes the SU-57 can magically fire weapons without radar and then a radar takes 20 years to develop then that person needs help.


Serial production model. All access hatches including radar housing is removed for installation of avionics:

054 no No36b radar:

054 took time machine to 2029 and now has No36B (note radiation decal and material of NO36B hatch)

 

[Armand2REP]

This source doesn’t say anything about no radar on SU-57 and it certainly says nothing about the SU-57 using SU-35 avionics. Moreover, you probably don’t know Russian and that article is a silly fanboy hack job.

It says that it doesn't have AESA radar nor Project 30 engines so it cannot be called 5th generation.

 

[Neptune]

It says that it doesn't have AESA radar nor Project 30 engines so it cannot be called 5th generation.

I can read what it says thank you, I’m Russian; however you and google translate have no idea what is said. Moreover, it’s ironic and comical how you keep ignoring facts and instead making up crazy conspiracies. The SU-57 has had AESA since T-50-3 in 2011, with many other subsequent airframes also receiving AESA; it has also conducted weapons tests including in Syria where it would be impossible to fire weapons without radar, and a serial production airfare was constructed...but some French guy on a forum says it’s all a lie and it doesn’t have a radar and in fact it uses SU-35 avionics which is in itself an outlandish claims considering it would be impossible to fit many of the avionics onto the SU-57 due to dimension and other factors. Equally outlandish is why Sukhoi would ever waste so much time and money and resources on integration of SU-35 avionics or why the RuAF would ever excepted such a platform.


You have provided zero credible sources for any of your claims and still can’t give simply explanations as to how the SU-57 has been flying with AESA since 2011, conducting weapons tests and producing serial airframes without radar.

 

[asianobserve]

I can read what it says thank you, I’m Russian; however you and google translate have no idea what is said. Moreover, it’s ironic and comical how you keep ignoring facts and instead making up crazy conspiracies. The SU-57 has had AESA since T-50-3 in 2011, with many other subsequent airframes also receiving AESA; it has also conducted weapons tests including in Syria where it would be impossible to fire weapons without radar, and a serial production airfare was constructed...but some French guy on a forum says it’s all a lie and it doesn’t have a radar and in fact it uses SU-35 avionics which is in itself an outlandish claims considering it would be impossible to fit many of the avionics onto the SU-57 due to dimension and other factors. Equally outlandish is why Sukhoi would ever waste so much time and money and resources on integration of SU-35 avionics or why the RuAF would ever excepted such a platform.


You have provided zero credible sources for any of your claims and still can’t give simply explanations as to how the SU-57 has been flying with AESA since 2011, conducting weapons tests and producing serial airframes without radar.

Why is the Russian Air Force ordering more Su-35 than Su-57?

 

[abhay rajput]

Why is the Russian Air Force ordering more Su-35 than Su-57?

Why is us navy upgrading there f18 ,..? Why aren't they replacing them with f35. The simple answer is cost.

 

[Neptune]

Why is the Russian Air Force ordering more Su-35 than Su-57?

The SU-35 has been around for a number of years, it’s been ordered in batches just like every other Russian aircraft. The RuAF placed an order for a batch of SU-57s. How many more batches they will order in 5 or 10 or 15 years is unknown. I know where you are going with this, the SU-57 is much more difficult to manufacture and more expensive then the SU-35 and blows it away in terms of capabilities.

 

[Armand2REP]

Why is us navy upgrading there f18 ,..? Why aren't they replacing them with f35. The simple answer is cost.

It was reported here that Su-57 is now similar in price to Su-35 so that can't be it.

 

[Bhurki]

The simple answer is cost.

Su 57 costs less than $40m............

 

[Neptune]

It was reported here that Su-57 is now similar in price to Su-35 so that can't be it.

And literally no one but idiots believe this.

 

[Neptune]

Su 57 costs less than $40m............

No, sorry you’re mislead....that’s impossible with the relatively small batch and the difficulty and cost associated with manufacturing 3 different AESA radars, new generation engines, weapons, data-link, ECM and airframe.

The SU-35 sold to China with engines and spares at around 83 million, it had just one PESA radar, imagine installing 3 AESA radars, new engines, weapons and so on. Sukhoi would go bankrupt.

There has been fools in the Russian government claiming all sorts of nonsense to clueless journalists for years like only 12 aircraft would be ordered and the SU-35 is equal to the SU-35 which was rebuked by the chief test pilot.

 

[Eastman]

The SU-35 has been around for a number of years, it’s been ordered in batches just like every other Russian aircraft. The RuAF placed an order for a batch of SU-57s. How many more batches they will order in 5 or 10 or 15 years is unknown. I know where you are going with this, the SU-57 is much more difficult to manufacture and more expensive then the SU-35 and blows it away in terms of capabilities.

Same as Ordering F-35s instead of F-22? More over new generation war are now fought with likes of MQ-9 Reaper.

 

[Bhurki]

No, sorry you’re mislead....that’s impossible with the relatively small batch and the difficulty and cost associated with manufacturing 3 different AESA radars, new generation engines, weapons, data-link, ECM and airframe.

Contracts are binding in nature...
The contract for 76 jets is worth $2.8B( 170B rubles).
Also the price reduction was confirmed by DefMin Shoigu himself.

 

[bhramos]

First of 2 Series Production Su-57 in Factory trails...!!!